Recruiting Football Talk VIII

[barrylee]

After hearing more and more I’m now glad Nico is gone! What a douche, the entire family!

I died at least 3 times yesterday with Rory! Never had so many ups and downs in a round of golf! It’s going to be interesting to see what happens with him now.

Does he relax now that he has the monkey off his back or does he free up and win a few more majors? Next one is at Quail Hollow and he’s won there 4 times already! He could go on a Tiger spree!

 

[Jackcrevol]

After hearing more and more I’m now glad Nico is gone! What a douche, the entire family!

I died at least 3 times yesterday with Rory! Never had so many ups and downs in a round of golf! It’s going to be interesting to see what happens with him now.

Does he relax now that he has the monkey off his back or does he free up and win a few more majors? Next one is at Quail Hollow and he’s won there 4 times already! He could go on a Tiger spree!

Careful now. Nico is still young enough, he can see the error of their ways. But yes not sure it could have been handled in a worse fashion.

 

[Orange_Crush]

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Does he relax now that he has the monkey off his back or does he free up and win a few more majors? Next one is at Quail Hollow and he’s won there 4 times already! He could go on a Tiger spree!

That was my thought. The emotional release when he won was beautiful, and I think a major cathartic moment. I suspect he's worked through some mental blocks with that monkey gone, and we may see the best of him coming.

 

[MoCo_Vol]

Here's the thing that's frustrating to me...that first big deal that Nico was offered was already based on potential and what Josh Heupel thought he'd become.

Year 1, take the time to learn the system and get up to speed we'll let you RS. ROI = 0
Year 2, the keys are yours no one else on the roster to compete with this is your show. ROI = mixed

Now in Year 3...the "put up or shut up" season where you can ball out and go make real money in the NFL draft or you can be mediocre again you choose to try and get paid based off what the market value is for better portal QBs.

Like by all means...I get the hate for Carson Beck, but objectively that dude EARNED his pay day.

2023 - 1st year as Georgia starter 72.4% 3941 yards, 24 TDs 6 ints
2024 - 2nd year as Georgia starter 64.7% 3485, 28 TDs, 12 ints

Like in a far more conservative system Beck put up huge numbers. Nico still hasn't hit 3k yards or 22 TDs in 18 games playing. But because of his dad's ego and greed wanted to demand to be paid like he was on the same level as Carson Beck.

 

[Glitch]

you just worry about mowing the rest of that yard with your beau @Glitch

No mowing for me for a while. Having the first of my hips replaced on Thursday, so I will be unable to complete my lawn care duties and responsibilities. Good news is, crocs are not forbidden in the recovery phase.



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[NMVol]

Here's the thing that's frustrating to me...that first big deal that Nico was offered was already based on potential and what Josh Heupel thought he'd become.

Year 1, take the time to learn the system and get up to speed we'll let you RS. ROI = 0
Year 2, the keys are yours no one else on the roster to compete with this is your show. ROI = mixed

Now in Year 3...the "put up or shut up" season where you can ball out and go make real money in the NFL draft or you can be mediocre again you choose to try and get paid based off what the market value is for better portal QBs.

Like by all means...I get the hate for Carson Beck, but objectively that dude EARNED his pay day.

2023 - 1st year as Georgia starter 72.4% 3941 yards, 24 TDs 6 ints
2024 - 2nd year as Georgia starter 64.7% 3485, 28 TDs, 12 ints

Like in a far more conservative system Beck put up huge numbers. Nico still hasn't hit 3k yards or 22 TDs in 18 games playing. But because of his dad's ego and greed wanted to demand to be paid like he was on the same level as Carson Beck.

I don't know. If he was always paid for potential what reason would he have to expect to be held to a standard strictly based on performance?

 

[Leeleesteeth]

No mowing for me for a while. Having the first of my hips replaced on Thursday, so I will be unable to complete my lawn care duties and responsibilities. Good news is, crocs are not forbidden in the recovery phase.



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Wife had one of hers done about 6 weeks ago. Used a walker for about 2 weeks. Done with therapy. Pretty much back to normal now.

 

[CABVOL]

I thought agents had to register with the state.

No idea. Probably so. Was just thinking he might be the agent bc he is always chiming in regarding Nico stuff.

 

[Jackcrevol]

No mowing for me for a while. Having the first of my hips replaced on Thursday, so I will be unable to complete my lawn care duties and responsibilities. Good news is, crocs are not forbidden in the recovery phase.



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aren't you fairly young? Hate to hear man. Hope procedure goes well and makes things easier on you.

 

[VFLCodyGBO]

Sparks is an idiot who was famously wrong about a million things last week. I think Sparks is trying to rebuild his cred and threw up a 50/50 here.

I could see Mike making the move because replacing Ward and being the voice of the Vols was his dream and maybe he's ready to go in a different direction now. Pretty sure his kids are all out of the house now, might even be in Knoxville. Calling Vols football could essentially be a retirement for him. Probably fewer day-to-day things.

Some reasons why he wouldn't is that he's from Nashville and the Titans job is a sweet gig. He's been THE voice of the Tennessee Titans and cemented his legacy there and within the NFL. He can do it as long as he wants and retire when he's ready.

I think Wilkerson will be the basketball caller to go along with baseball and he will be a good one.

Seems like this was a pretty big whiff on your end huh?

 

[MarcoVol]

“This baseball team just isn’t that good”

 

[Ten_Titans]

I was thinking last night, I actually feel kind of bad for Nico in all of this. He bears his own responsibility and isn't without guilt, for sure, but at the same time, your family's ways are normal to you, even if they aren't normal. He's starting probably the first season of realizing that there has to be a different way than the toxic control, lies and manipulation that he's been presented as 'normal'. And it's a hard/expensive way to learn.

You have to hate seeing so much promise getting flushed.

I would not say I feel very bad for Nico. Trusting your parents and doing what they say is not some unforgivable sin. Now whatever idiot told him to skip practice and he listened, that's on him. Very hard to come back from that one from an image perspective. Nico has been around team sports long enough to know that.

But the family of sociopaths angle... cmon'. It is much simpler than that. A polynesian family with zero ties to the area saw East TN as a check to be cashed. They did not care about the people here, the university, the football program as a whole, nothing. We saw the exact same thing happen with TooToo.

What you called "toxic control, lies, and manipulation" I would simply call a group of incompetent people barely qualified to tie their own shoes play-acting as agents. And they screwed up their kid's image. Not because of some Machiavellian angle, but because they were out over their skiis.

 

[Orange_Crush]

No mowing for me for a while. Having the first of my hips replaced on Thursday, so I will be unable to complete my lawn care duties and responsibilities. Good news is, crocs are not forbidden in the recovery phase.



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Prayers, man.

 

[volbeast33]

7 wins

 

[Orange_Crush]

I would not say I feel very bad for Nico. Trusting your parents and doing what they say is not some unforgivable sin. Now whatever idiot told him to skip practice and he listened, that's on him. Very hard to come back from that one from an image perspective. Nico has been around team sports long enough to know that.

But the family of sociopaths angle... cmon'. It is much simpler than that. A polynesian family with zero ties to the area saw East TN as a check to be cashed. They did not care about the people here, the university, the football program as a whole, nothing. We saw the exact same thing happen with TooToo.

What you called "toxic control, lies, and manipulation" I would simply call a group of incompetent people barely qualified to tie their own shoes play-acting as agents. And they screwed up their kid's image. Not because of some Machiavellian angle, but because they were out over their skiis.

I think you're just using different words to describe the same thing. And I said Nico deserves to carry his own blame. But you can also note the tragedy and waste in all of this, no matter what descriptive words one uses.

 

[knoxvol52]

“This baseball team just isn’t that good”

D1 has Tennessee at #4

1.Texas
2. Arkansas
3. Clemson
4.Vols
5. Georgia..

 

[DD4ME]

UNC or UCLA it is

Oh how the mighty have fallen.

 

[rockytop25]

Rankings don’t matter in mid-April but we win a series against a top 6 team on the road and only go up 1 spot…crazy

 

[volbeast33]

No mowing for me for a while. Having the first of my hips replaced on Thursday, so I will be unable to complete my lawn care duties and responsibilities. Good news is, crocs are not forbidden in the recovery phase.



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I had leg purthes disease as a kid. It increases the likelihood of having to have hip replacement surgery. So far I have been able to avoid it. for a quick recovery.

 

[BigSteve09]

if Nico ends up at UNC then Nico/dad saved face for now from a PR move

No one in/around the program will question Bill

He is still insanely respected in the NFL and still has a ton of connections

for how this whole thing blew up in the family's face, they have mitigated total disaster if they end up at UNC

it doesn't save Nico, he will still have to be perfect on and off the field, but it has stopped a ton of doors from closing completely

 

[DD4ME]

My thoughts - 2 desperate ships headed toward 1st year iceberg. Belichek proving he sold all his high ground when getting a 20 year old girlfriend and sliding to college.

 

[cHiZzLeVOL]

All of this Nico business is a cluster on the part of Nico's family. I think dad panicked.Believe me this is not a shock to the staff and behind the scenes "negotiation" has been going on since the end of the season. Nico's camp was told that their demands would not be met and dad decided to call their bluff in public. Nico didn't have a good spring, Merk did. Dad thought he was holding a pair of aces with a king high when he had a pair of twos and a 5 high.
I truly think the staff was surprised at the stupidity of this move but they had no recourse other than to let Nico go.
Nico's dad really f'd him over.

I’m not worried about it. Kid never actually knew the offense anyways why the heck does everyone think we went so slow.

Nico never had it in between the ears.

 

[DD4ME]

D1 has Tennessee at #4

1.Texas
2. Arkansas
3. Clemson
4.Vols
5. Georgia..

Meh. One of their guys lives in TX and the coverage on TX teams shows there must be a lot sponsorship or viewership money there.

 

[DD4ME]

if Nico ends up at UNC then Nico/dad saved face for now from a PR move

No one in/around the program will question Bill

He is still insanely respected in the NFL and still has a ton of connections

for how this whole thing blew up in the family's face, they have mitigated total disaster if they end up at UNC

it doesn't save Nico, he will still have to be perfect on and off the field, but it has stopped a ton of doors from closing completely

I usually agree with you on most things. I only partially agree here. Bill took a major hit in the NFL. Nico took a major hit at both levels. Did they maybe both stave off total irrelevance by cozying up together - sure. Did they salvage their damaged images to this point? Hell no.
Jmo imo

 

[Glitch]

Wife had one of hers done about 6 weeks ago. Used a walker for about 2 weeks. Done with therapy. Pretty much back to normal now.

I have hear this same thing over and over. Very routine and pretty rapid recovery.