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[Tennessee Golfer]

Outside of everything that happened, I'm still baffled by not dropping everyone into zone/man coverage and forcing them to try to run with their top 2 rbs out. Play man coverage with safeties in zone over the top. I'm a damn idiot most of the time and even I know that would force their hand to the run game.

Except we did that on 3rd and 20 and got torched. We should’ve been playing press man and bring some pressure to force them to throw it quick into tight windows.

 

[butchna]

Outside of everything that happened, I'm still baffled by not dropping everyone into zone/man coverage and forcing them to try to run with their top 2 rbs out. Play man coverage with safeties in zone over the top. I'm a damn idiot most of the time and even I know that would force their hand to the run game.

First time this season Banks made practically no adjustments at halftime. Got them to punt on their first series and generated pressure to get them into that infernal 3rd and 20…then bupkus.

 

[Ulysees E. McGill]

Yep, if coaches don’t step in and squash issues quickly, it will become a very big deal. Heupel doesn’t strike me as someone who deals with confrontation well and the team looked way off last night. It obviously had a major effect on the team and that’s on our coach.

F'n garbage

 

[Ulysees E. McGill]

Lose culture because someone stepped on a T and didn’t want to do push ups? Lol come on. Or have your coaches handle it and squash it really quick. Letting it escalate and obvious conflicts happening before that incident is what led to it. That’s on the coaches for not getting the players in line and reminding them they are all one team.

F'n garbage

 

[MoCo_Vol]

So if that was indeed the last game Hendon Hooker plays in as a Vol...he'll finish the season with these stats

69.6% 3565 total yards 32 total TDs 2 INTs

 

[Smyrna ATL Vol]

We have

That game is exactly why we need a stud RB. When the passing is not clicking we don’t have to Backs to take over the game.
Our CB and safety’s played like real crap and our d line probably had its worst game too. Something was off all night.
BUT I’m so proud of this season and guys. Hell of a year

We have two. But we keep trotting out Small.

 

[Kamaras gold teeth]

When D-backs use the trail technique they need the speed to close on the receiver and quickly react to the ball. They are to glue themselves to the hip of the receiver and look for the ball when the receiver does. We do not have but a couple of young guys that have the speed to do that. They are not developed well enough to play many snaps. We also do not have enough speed at S at all because we are playing safeties at CB and Nickel part of the time. So when a QB is on and gets plenty of time to scan the coverage, they will eat, like most QB's not named Levis or Daniels did this year. They did not get the time, our pass rush was there to disrupt. Last night Rattler had 4-8 seconds on nearly every pass play. So neither man or zone are going to work, even if we were good at zone, which we are not. When you see d-backs backing up the second the ball is snapped like last night on every pass play, you know you are in for a long day or night if you do get to the QB with pass rush.

So why minimal pass rush? I want to see the stats of the number of plays per player. The coaches chart that.

What I saw overall was defenders in every position group engaging with blockers on every play. I saw guys not attacking the ball, not trying to avoid and get off blocks, waiting on the ball to come to them, or taking horrible angles. There is zero excuse for players on defense to not attack the ball. You have one job, even on pass coverage. Go for the ball.

You are correct about how trail technique is played.

Im going to be honest i payed attention to pre snap alignment last night on defense then i primarily watched the inside backers. I dont remember tennessee showing much man pre snap.

I did notice on the broadcast when SC ran what i call Mesh for the 2 3rd and long conversions. The middle hole player who i believe was Beasley never checked for any reciver coming inside his eyes were locked on Rattler. I dont know if theyvare coached to do that but, I teach my guys that once i reach the cap of my zone ive got to get my head on a swivel to check for any crossers behind me. Beasley never did that and it resulted in 2 easy catches for a long 1st down.

The problems with the corners and safties are a whole different problem. They are goving up way too much space. It is my belief that they are just clueless about what their reads are.

Same play on 3rd and 20 you had a 4 man route concept from left to right it was a 20 yard IN, GO, DRAG, DRAG. Assuming they are playing cover 2 which with this route con ept should turn the coverage into cover 4. the corners responsibility is anything vertical to 1st shallow and outside. Star should be anythi g vertical to 1st inside breaking route. Il is there to help on anything inside. SAFTEY has to cover the seam. The #2 reciver attavked the seam with #1 going vertical then breaking in. On film corner and saftey both went with the seam and it left the IN was wide open. Theoretically the sftey should have capped the in and the corner take the seam.

 

[MoCo_Vol]

Also Hyatt needs 118 receiving yards to surpass Robert Meachem for the single season record at UT. I felt like that South Carolina DB was overrated and he honestly didn't "shut down" Hyatt at all imo.

Tillman was playing and Hooker default back to just throwing it up to him any time he wasn't sure. Hopefully Milton doesn't have that tendency next year of just defaulting to the same WR.

 

[Ulysees E. McGill]

Exactly. Not a culture issue. A 1-man issue.

The fact that the defense stunk was multi-pronged. It's been meh all season and was now without its leader and head guy. Then throw on the absurd field conditions which were probably not well known before, SR suddenly learning how to throw perfect darts all over, a bad start, and it all adds up to a perfect storm.

It is what it is. We got whooped. But it's not some big conspiracy either of the defense throwing the game (lol). Sometimes you just get straight whipped. And every levee we had holding on by a thread all season broke open at once. Really not all that surprising when you consider our pass D all season.

I hope you're right...but there were a bunch of defensive dudes that were absolutely completely halfassing it out there. Watch some of it again...it is so obvious and sickening.

 

[Enki_Amenra]

We already beat the odds to get to 8-1. We had a perfect opportunity to finish the season strong and make the playoffs. As of yesterday morning, we only had 2 games left. Each of those against bad teams. Whether you like it or not, in 20 years we will look back at the 2022 season and ask WTF happened at SC. It will be just like we do now with the 2001 SEC championship game.

Thing is, we know what happened. Rattler played like a Heisman and we helped him every way possible on defense. We should've score 45+ and that should've been enough.

With all things considered, we have to have perspective. It's year 2 and our problems are obvious. If Heupel is the coach I think he is, then he will see the problems too and fix them.

It's easy to say, "we need a better defense", but hard to find someone up to the challenge of producing a defense that compliments this offense.

We need defensive player from linebacker all the way back and a couple defensive masterminds outside of Garner. . . speaking of Garner, why has he never been a DC? Or has he? I bet he'd be a good one.

 

[Outofmyvolcanmind]

I don't see it that way...at all. I think a bunch of petty heads ruined everything last night. It is not the coaches fault that they are petty heads that care more about petty head childishness than giving their all for their team and fans.

A good boss gets rid of the problems and keeps discipline. Whenever there is a breakdown it falls on leadership. Again, if this game was a one off, it’s the players. When it becomes chronic, it’s the leader. Just to be clear I’m talking about the defensive coordinator and not the head coach. But if the head coach fails to do something about the coordinator or the coordinator fails to improve, it is then the head coach.

 

[jbr82]

Hopefully, the portal will help us with the back end defense

Turnage, Hadden, Turrentine, Walker have all been brought in by this staff. This staff has to do better getting talent and development

 

[Outofmyvolcanmind]

Outside of everything that happened, I'm still baffled by not dropping everyone into zone/man coverage and forcing them to try to run with their top 2 rbs out. Play man coverage with safeties in zone over the top. I'm a damn idiot most of the time and even I know that would force their hand to the run game.

I said this all game long. Baffled

 

[Jackcrevol]

Yep, if coaches don’t step in and squash issues quickly, it will become a very big deal. Heupel doesn’t strike me as someone who deals with confrontation well and the team looked way off last night. It obviously had a major effect on the team and that’s on our coach.

that is a really bad take. He strikes me as a very confident guy that deals with it unemotionally, which is exactly how it needs to he done.

 

[jbr82]

Banks sucks and so does Martinez

That’s what I see as well

 

[Smyrna ATL Vol]

You need to step back and give them a moment to handle this adversity and see what happens. If they had any idea what happened last night would occur, they would’ve obviously would’ve tried something. Hope they learn from it and finish the year then do what they think is best. Firing coaches on Sunday after this game is close to being Pruitt like firing a guy in game. Let them finish the season then do whatever seems needed. Banks out killed us but so is playing safeties at corner and having weak safeties playing safety. With that said, if folks threw the game, clean out their locker last night and send them on a greyhound headed home.

You are proving my point somewhat and I have been calling for Banks to be fired all year. Got a lot of grief over it. Weak safeties means play the younger players and see how they do. But they refuse to. Slaughter out played Tank and they put Tank right back in once he got back. This was not just a loss, it was a 63 point a** kicking for a chance at the playoff and they blew it. Someone should lose their job over that. That is the worst defensive performance I have ever witnessed. Makes it even worse that it was against a terrible offense. If I lost a million dollar sale at a company for me not doing my job, I would be 100% fired. Goes the same for Banks, his soft zone BS hasn’t worked all year or last year and yet he continues to do it.

 

[Outofmyvolcanmind]

All true...but...

I think the reason I am so upset is that I finally...BELIEVED...and then...this hellish nightmare.

Damn Ulysses, this isn’t a nightmare. Last night was. Compartmentalize my man.

 

[Smyrna ATL Vol]

Don't tell @Smyrna ATL Vol

It's neither player, according to him it is all Heupels fault...no matter what that idiotic dumbass Banks did.

Ok tough guy. If Banks did something so horrid, why is he still on the team? What is being reported is no fight broke out, he walked over the T and refused push ups. That is a dumb reason to miss a game for a playoff position. If he hit Hooker over NIL BS then I hope he is gone. But go ahead and make stuff up in your head and spew it like it’s facts.

 

[INDEFENSE]

No complaints on season, never expected this this quick.But still seeing the lack of containment every single week, that's coaching in my opinion as well as lack of adjusting to what the offense wants to do.

 

[Revived2002]

All true...but...

I think the reason I am so upset is that I finally...BELIEVED...and then...this hellish nightmare.

You must dedicate yourself to learning the lessons of Georgia State 2019.

Each time you turn on the Vols, you must intellectually confront the possibility that the team that takes the field will run around lost like they’ve never seen a football, and any preconception of victory or at least competent performance you imagined will not come to pass that day… or possibly for the next several years thereafter.

Just learn to enjoy the good times when they come and flush all the rest of it. Life’s too short!

 

[Skizer41]

I’m not out on Heupel or anything but you’re blind to think that bad if a loss isn’t a red flag.

You're blind to think our players are anything more than college kids. They aren't robots. They get mad, they feel jealous, they get happy, etc etc. They are humans. Things happen. Not the end of the world. If you would have been asked in August if you would take 9-2 with Vandy left you would have taken it 12 times out of 10. So what's it a red flag of? 2016? You one of those people? If you can't see the difference the 2016 team/coaching staff and this one then I don't know what to tell you.

 

[tnvols72]

Just for fun DC hot board

1. Will Muschamp
2. Derek Mason
3. Mike Tressel
4. Ron Roberts
5. Jeremy Pruitt

Jimbo Fisher after he gets fired

 

[Nash_Vol97]

Getting lost in the shuffle of the secondary being hot garbage is the pass rush was also straight garbage last night. 1 sack, from a LB on a blitz, and 2 QB hurries. They did cause some TFL, but with how bad the secondary is we weren’t able to generate any pressure to help them out.

 

[rjd970]

When will we find out for sure about Hooker?

 

[mrMet]

Some good news on this day: