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[INDEFENSE]

My biggest problem all season has been that no matter who we played and no matter who they played before us they had far and away their best game of the year against our defense. I don't have a problem with Martinez at this point but the DC is the one I'm looking at. When FCS teams have done better against teams than our D, then I got problems. I realize we need more Jimmys and Joes on the D but they are better than some of the other D's that have done better.Just the lack of containment every week, realizing what the offense is trying to do as far as the quick passing game and we continue to play off, just not seeing anything different week to week, same thing every week.JMO

 

[Outofmyvolcanmind]

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[INDEFENSE]

DP

 

[VolMike16]

I'm guessing we don't have an injury update on Hooker or Turnage?

 

[Devo182]

I hate to say it this way, but your post is ignorant. Yes, we won close games this year. Yes, we have had a magical season with wins over some of our hated rivals. But what you seem to be missing is that we pissed away an opportunity that UT has not had in decades. We had a chance at the playoffs this year, a good chance. We only had to beat two bad teams. We blew it. Sadly, it taints everything we accomplished this year. Just like 2001, we will always look back on this season and think what could (should) have been.

"We only had to beat two teams". And it was three before that. And UK before that. And Bama before that. And LSU before that.

The totality is all that matters. We literally needed all 11 wins. Not just any two.

The ONLY reason you could say "we only need two more" is BECAUSE you won all those previous games. You defied the odds over and over and over, but not every time. Get it? Probabilities over many games are totaled. They aren't in a vaccuum, that is just how we perceive things in chronological order. It doesn't ignore the dact that we DID defy those odds over many games.

Fact is we won 4 50/50 games, a 20/80, an 80/20, and lost an 80/20. The odds that we could accomplish that are so small. Your concept of "we only need x more" does NOT change the actual odds of winning or losing any particular game.

But I get what you're saying as a fan. Yes it hurts more. But statistically it's still improbable what we did, and whether we took our 2nd loss in week 3 or week 12 is irrelevant to the overall odds of it happening.

 

[engineerVOL]

I’ve got to admit games like this one makes me think I need to back away from being so bought in with our team.

I was visibly sick this morning, haven’t eaten a thing yet. I know that’s crazy but how do you go from beating Bama and LSU to losing to Shane Beamer. Losing to him is just more than I can stomach.

At this point I’m for real afraid we lose to Vandy! Not kidding..

Hang in there, Vol fan, there are UT sports teams ready to KICK YOUR BAG around every corner
️ ️️

 

[jakez4ut]

I hate that we wasted wins over Bama and LSU and now they are both ranked ahead of us.

Losing late in the season sucks.

1992, 2001, 1996, 2016 and now 2022.

 

[Jackcrevol]

DP

ya know, it could be a combo of a really bad defensive game plan, and, that SC executed on an insane level.

7-6, 10+ wins is better than we've had since 2007.

 

[therickbol]

Yes he can. Those are his kids and his responsibility. If he doesn’t take full ownership, he will never be a leader and never grow.

What world do you live in? Because it's not the real world. You can have the best leaders in the world and some people will do what they do. Like the saying says, the only option you have is "to get them off the bus." People aren't robots that will do what is best because you program them properly

 

[Ulysees E. McGill]

It is the coaches responsibility to have teams prepared and motivated to play. Coaches teach and inspire. If those things are missing on game day to the degree it was last night, it’s on the coaches. It can be corrected but as one poster said, outside of LSU we’ve been terrible on the road. Our rabid fans inspire this team at home. Our coaches need to step up on the road.

I don't see it that way...at all. I think a bunch of petty heads ruined everything last night. It is not the coaches fault that they are petty heads that care more about petty head childishness than giving their all for their team and fans.

 

[825VOL]

"We only had to beat two teams". And it was three before that. And UK before that. And Bama before that. And LSU before that.

The totality is all that matters. We literally needed all 11 wins. Not just any two.

The ONLY reason you could say "we only need two more" is BECAUSE you won all those previous games. You defied the odds over and over and over, but not every time. Get it? Probabilities over many games are totaled. They aren't in a vaccuum, that is just how we perceive things in chronological order. It doesn't ignore the dact that we DID defy those odds over many games.

Fact is we won 4 50/50 games, a 20/80, an 80/20, and lost an 80/20. The odds that we could accomplish that are so small. Your concept of "we only need x more" does NOT change the actual odds of winning or losing any particular game.

We already beat the odds to get to 8-1. We had a perfect opportunity to finish the season strong and make the playoffs. As of yesterday morning, we only had 2 games left. Each of those against bad teams. Whether you like it or not, in 20 years we will look back at the 2022 season and ask WTF happened at SC. It will be just like we do now with the 2001 SEC championship game.

 

[jakez4ut]

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This tells me one thing really. Adding in hooker probably being done...We're about to really find out about the leadership of this team, and the program in general.

Some will disagree and find it very difficult to let the USCe game go, but how we handle this week leading up to the vandy game, and what we see Saturday night will tell us a lot about the direction of the program from a leadership standpoint.

We lost. There's circumstances to deal with in the locker room.

Do we let it all really destroy the season, or did we learn anything?

To me this could be a foundational incident we use to build from. Or not.

Hoping for the former, not the latter. Go Vols

 

[mrMet]

Could we just go ahead and remove the power T from the floor??

Seems dumb to put something on the floor and then make a rule that it can't be stepped on.

It’s a team rule. Not hard to do 10 damn pushups if you broke the standard lol

 

[Ulysees E. McGill]

For the first time ever, Rattler played like I feared he was capable of

And the last time he will ever play like that...just like AR this year, and Levis last year.

Freaking Clemson is going to destroy them next week...and instead of throwing perfect pass after perfect pass after perfect pass, Rattler won't be able to hit the broad side of a barn...just watch.

 

[volinbama256]

I understood perfectly. But you're missing the fact that you could've said this about a handful of other games too. Every other time we "had to win" we did. You're just choosing to focus on the time we didn't. And the only reason we even had ourselves in such a position...was BECAUSE we did win in all of those other critical games.

So when you make it out to be we simply blew it in our one must-win game, it simply isn't true. We failed in one of MANY such situations, the rest all a success.

Not going to keep going back and forth-- i see where you are coming from, but again, that wasn't my point--- Of course all our games are must win games, but most thought we'd hit the home stretch, gotten great wins in several games where we were not picked or folks didn't believe we could, and now just needed to take care of business against two lesser opponents to get to the playoff at the end of the season after all the hard work... NO ONE was expecting that performance last night, so that was the most inopportune time to pick a night/game to 'ish the bed... when no one expected it.... and historically, that's unfortunately been the UT way many times...

Doesn't matter, no excuse for losing like that last night, place the blame where you want, but at this point in the season, with the team you have and have been coaching and developing, you knew what was on the line last night and this coming weekend... And you BLEW IT and didn't have the kids ready and focused.

 

[Volsdeep4]

Could we just go ahead and remove the power T from the floor??

Seems dumb to put something on the floor and then make a rule that it can't be stepped on.

You ever play football? We had same thing at Gallatin High. You step on the G and everyone jumped you. It was known and universal. Only time someone stepped on it was
1) they didn’t know, normally freshmen
2) to be disrespectful

 

[drvenner]

BOOM!!!!!

 

[Devo182]

We already beat the odds to get to 8-1. We had a perfect opportunity to finish the season strong and make the playoffs. As of yesterday morning, we only had 2 games left. Each of those against bad teams. Whether you like it or not, in 20 years we will look back at the 2022 season and ask WTF happened at SC. It will be just like we do now with the 2001 SEC championship game.

We were 80% to win both. Was never a gimme by any means.

And we were...wait for it...2% to win all those other games we did.

Things like that tend to run out eventually. It is what it is. Look at the totality.

 

[Ulysees E. McGill]

Yes I was hurt more from the UGA loss, once I saw how they stopped our offense I just knew another team would slow it down, I never anticipated the defense lay down.

We scored 38 points and put 500 yards up....don't pull that stupid "stopped our offense" garbage. 38 points should have been enough to win that game 3 times over.


This is all on the defense

 

[Neyland Law Vol]

Given we only fell to AP number 9, this team could easily end up in the top 5 after Bowl games. Amazing season if they get their heads right and win two more.

 

[I4Jay]

Rushing 4 all night when the QB is having the game of his life doesn’t help them though

im hoping youre just misinformed and not blatanly lying but that did not happen.
the defense got Torched in the first half with heavy blitz looks.

 

[m1al]

Michael Palardy sighting.. With the Patriots..


I know, random. Didn't realize he was still hanging around the league...

 

[Enki_Amenra]

We open as 14 point favorites at Vanderbilt

Florida was a 14pt favorite over Andy. . .

 

[Neyland Law Vol]

If we beat vandy comfortably, i think we get a great bowl game match up. Could end nicely still if we just put this one behind us and fight to beat Vandy soundly Saturday.

 

[mr.checkerboards]

Florida was a 14pt favorite over Andy. . .

Hopefully you changed that bet after we told you Andy would cover.