Jaylen McCollough arrested

[vol_smoothie]

I think he plays this weekend while all the facts are still being gathered and if they think he was in the wrong be suspended the UT Martin game.

That sounds like a decision right out of the Urban Meyer playbook of "cover your ass" with a meaningless suspension, but make sure my starters are playing in the games we need them for.

 

[sjt18]

Are you so blind that you think that the UT police dept wouldn't notify him??? They were also there but KPD has final jurisdiction when it comes to charges. Isn't JM's girlfriend (who talked to the police) also a UT athlete? What about the other athletes who lived on the block? Everyone there would be aware of the situation because of the arrest. You really believe they all hid this from Coach Heupel for 6-7 hrs??? He would be the first one notified by the UT police dept! Thankfully no one was seriously hurt. Heupel and the powers that be probably contacted an atty for him. I also believe he may try to sweep this under the rug (based upon his statement that he wasn't aware of the arrest). Time will tell. I've read people's comments on here screaming because GA's player was only suspended one game for a DUI. A felony assault is so much worse. I don't know what the current status is but anything less than a 2 game suspension looks like a coverup. Maybe some money may change hands and the victim changes his story so it's moved down to a misdemeanor?? I lived in Gibbs Hall though I wasnt good enough to contribute. I know (for a fact) that the coaches are the first notified. Doesnt matter what sport. Believe what you want. You're entitled to that. I have no doubt that every fb player on the team knew within the hr and you think they hid this from their coach????

You very likely know more than I do but I thought they changed a lot of the rules about how UTPD and coaches could communicate following Fulmer's last rash of discipline issues?

 

[CNCVol88]

That was a question I had earlier but did not know if anyone had the info. Are you sure?

IMHO, if he practiced then they probably have his story and it varies A LOT from the other guy's story. If you don't feel pretty good about it... you don't make him part of your game plan.

Jimmy tweeted about it today. It’s on the last couple pages.

 

[WilcoVolsFan]

It was a home invasion, quite literally. It was McCollough's home, and the fella invaded the privacy of that home without permission or invitation.

Now, neither you nor I nor anyone else here know what happened after the invader walked in uninvited, we only know the version he told the police. We don't know how far he entered, whether he acted aggressive, confused, or apologetic after being confronted, or how quickly he departed. We do know that he told the police at one point he mouthed off to McCollough, "don't be such a dick," but we don't know what was said by either party before or after that. That is a belligerent statement, I think you'll agree. So it wasn't all curtseying and begging forgiveness, apparently.

And Dude didn't just go to the wrong door. he went to the whole wrong building. He had to have been pretty distracted, or high/drunk, or both, to get the whole wrong part of the apartment complex.

BTW, here's what McCollough's building looks like courtesy of Google Street View and the unredacted address in the police blotter report:

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We've all seen apartment complexes like this: breezeways with concrete landings and stairs for each set of apartments, 4 apartment entries on each landing, stairhead no more than 8' or 10' away from each of those four doors. So the dude saying McCollough pursued him 30' to the stairs is probably off by about 20'. There is some reasonable expectation of relative privacy up on the top landing, where a resident would reasonably only expect one of his three neighbors or their guests to be.

And if the dude fell down stairs after being hit, he only fell about 10 vertical feet, because these apartments typically have 8' or 9' ceilings. So about 10' between stories.

Is this significantly different than you imagined it? Because it seems significantly different than you were describing it.

Couple that with McCollough and perhaps his GF shouting in surprise and shock while this dude is mumbling some sort of perhaps-apology, and you have room for a whole lot of misunderstanding in a very short time period and fairly limited space.



I've never seen a doorbell camera or security camera in the breezeways of these types of apartments. One could be there, but I wouldn't count on it.

More spinning than a top in this write-up.

I accidentally once got off on the wrong floor of a hotel and tried to enter somebody else's room w/my keycard and only realized it when they answered the door. I'd had a couple beers, but was far from hammered, just hadn't paid close attention to the floor and walked around the corner to where I knew my room was. I apologized for my error and walked away, no big deal.

So was I committing a room invasion at that point? Would the person in that room have had the right to take a swing at me?

Also this, "if the dude fell down stairs after being hit, he only fell about 10 vertical feet"

"Only" fell down ten vertical feet of concrete stairs. And that "if" he did. Maybe that blood on the steps was planted. Maybe he's a an Alabama plant. The truth is out there!!!

 

[DaddyChad]

Well, I am past 50, so I have plenty of "life experience".
Your ignorant, condescending response doesn't indicate much for you.
If you had read my post, you would know that I was making room for both sides of this argument.
Fact is, we don't know exactly what happened and I stated that.

You stated a little more than that which came off as dumb AF.

 

[DaddyChad]

Idk. He’s practiced so far this week.

Maybe he practiced blindfolded? Hell maybe that would improve our safety play.

 

[Sudden Impact]

Are you so blind that you think that the UT police dept wouldn't notify him??? They were also there but KPD has final jurisdiction when it comes to charges. Isn't JM's girlfriend (who talked to the police) also a UT athlete? What about the other athletes who lived on the block? Everyone there would be aware of the situation because of the arrest. You really believe they all hid this from Coach Heupel for 6-7 hrs??? He would be the first one notified by the UT police dept! Thankfully no one was seriously hurt. Heupel and the powers that be probably contacted an atty for him. I also believe he may try to sweep this under the rug (based upon his statement that he wasn't aware of the arrest). Time will tell. I've read people's comments on here screaming because GA's player was only suspended one game for a DUI. A felony assault is so much worse. I don't know what the current status is but anything less than a 2 game suspension looks like a coverup. Maybe some money may change hands and the victim changes his story so it's moved down to a misdemeanor?? I lived in Gibbs Hall though I wasnt good enough to contribute. I know (for a fact) that the coaches are the first notified. Doesnt matter what sport. Believe what you want. You're entitled to that. I have no doubt that every fb player on the team knew within the hr and you think they hid this from their coach????

Are you so blind that you think that the UT police dept wouldn't notify him???
Agree 100% and CJH I thought stated he didn't have all the information at that time.
They were also there but KPD has final jurisdiction when it comes to charges
Yes they do but they overcharged him because JM did not speak and waited on an Attorney. Best to speak to a lawyer first before making a statement to the police.
Heupel and the powers that be probably contacted an atty for him.
Probably provided a list of contacts but I think the NCAA prohibits them from contacting one for him.
I don't know what the current status is but anything less than a 2 game suspension looks like a coverup.
Seriously without the facts or both sides of the story you can't make the assumption of cover-up or punishment. We went through this with AJ. The charges may be reduced or dismissed, but who knows at this time. So you suggest we act on it before the process even begins. We have charges that we don't know if they will even be tried that could take 6 months to get to court.

Who cares when the football team knew it or not it really does matter. They are family have a good culture and got each other's back. Simple case you got a wondering drunk hanging out at an apartment complex that was so loaded that wondered into the wrong area at 3 pm. Invaded an apt and is now the victim because of his state of mine and stupidity. This is now how the real world works. It is the same type of crimes that happen in Congress everyday. Everybody screams I am a victim when in truth they create their own self inflicted wounds.

 

[DaddyChad]

That sounds like a decision right out of the Urban Meyer playbook of "cover your ass" with a meaningless suspension, but make sure my starters are playing in the games we need them for.

Sounds like if he was in the wrong he deserves to be out the door, if it was any one of an immeasurable number of different circumstances his response could be justified. Again we need more information about what happened from an unbiased source. Probably not going to get it.

 

[andywilson001]

We haven’t even heard both sides of the story yet. This dude was drunk and stumbling into random apartments.. are we really taking his word as the gospel? Wait until ALL the facts come out before you just throw one of our guys under the bus. This drunk dude may have provoked him. He may have said a lot more than just “stop being a d**k”. Drunk people tend to get aggressive and escalate things more quickly. He may have thrown the first punch. And obviously he’s not going to tell the police that he started it. His side of the story is going to be that he was just an innocent victim who made an honest mistake and got beat up for it… I HIGHLY doubt that’s the case. There is more to this story that we’re not hearing.

 

[Dadof2Vols]

Are you so blind that you think that the UT police dept wouldn't notify him???
Agree 100% and CJH I thought stated he didn't have all the information at that time.
They were also there but KPD has final jurisdiction when it comes to charges
Yes they do but they overcharged him because JM did not speak and waited on an Attorney. Best to speak to a lawyer first before making a statement to the police.
Heupel and the powers that be probably contacted an atty for him.
Probably provided a list of contacts but I think the NCAA prohibits them from contacting one for him.
I don't know what the current status is but anything less than a 2 game suspension looks like a coverup.
Seriously without the facts or both sides of the story you can't make the assumption of cover-up or punishment. We went through this with AJ. The charges may be reduced or dismissed, but who knows at this time. So you suggest we act on it before the process even begins. We have charges that we don't know if they will even be tried that could take 6 months to get to court.

Who cares when the football team knew it or not it really does matter. They are family have a good culture and got each other's back. Simple case you got a wondering drunk hanging out at an apartment complex that was so loaded that wondered into the wrong area at 3 pm. Invaded an apt and is now the victim because of his state of mine and stupidity. This is now how the real world works. It is the same time of crimes that happen in Congress everyday. Everybody screams I am a victim when in truth they create their own self inflicted wounds.

To look clean they probably wouldn’t notify the coach they would notify the school admin like they would for any other student and being any student athlete they would notify the office of the AD.

This would be the way to not appear all above board.

Just my speculation but if I was AD, I would not allow any police to talk directly to any of my coaches about off field issues.

 

[DaddyChad]

More spinning than a top in this write-up.

I accidentally once got off on the wrong floor of a hotel and tried to enter somebody else's room w/my keycard and only realized it when they answered the door. I'd had a couple beers, but was far from hammered, just hadn't paid close attention to the floor and walked around the corner to where I knew my room was. I apologized for my error and walked away, no big deal.

So was I committing a room invasion at that point? Would the person in that room have had the right to take a swing at me?

Also this, "if the dude fell down stairs after being hit, he only fell about 10 vertical feet"

"Only" fell down ten vertical feet of concrete stairs. And that "if" he did. Maybe that blood on the steps was planted. Maybe he's a an Alabama plant. The truth is out there!!!

You know your story, know what happened in it. We have the victims account of what happened but do not know what actually occurred. If this guy didn’t knock was in the apartment looking to steal something does your opinion change? If the guy just busted in drunk, confused, etc does it change things? Hell any number of things could’ve provoked a violent response. Fact is if someone invades your house you’re not worried about football or what if this or that, you’re concerned with making sure you’re not in danger and resolving the situation if you feel you are.

Now I’m not saying any of the above went down either, entirely possible the guy went in the apartment drunk, guarantee you McCullough bare minimum thought he was up to no good and followed him out, words were exchanged that definitely didn’t help things, then the guy was punched in the face. That is the victim statement which likely leaves out plenty of details.

 

[Sudden Impact]

Sounds like if he was in the wrong he deserves to be out the door, if it was any one of an immeasurable number of different circumstances his response could be justified. Again we need more information about what happened from an unbiased source. Probably not going to get it.

Your unbiased source is going to be the DA once the investigation is completed. That could go in a number of directions but it will take time to get the facts and the investigation completed. Seeing we have already had incidents in the past that have been handled by the Coach and staff in a pretty quick manner before the investigation was complete. I see no reason not to trust the Coach after talking with JM to make a sound decision for all concerned regarding suspension. I don't think that JM will hide anything from Coach in a one on one conversation about the incident. This team respects each other and the staff. I think he will play Saturday.

 

[DaddyChad]

We haven’t even heard both sides of the story yet. This dude was drunk and stumbling into random apartments.. are we really taking his word as the gospel? Wait until ALL the facts come out before you just throw one of our guys under the bus. This drunk dude may have provoked him. He may have said a lot more than just “stop being a d**k”. Drunk people tend to get aggressive and escalate things more quickly. He may have thrown the first punch. And obviously he’s not going to tell the police that he started it. His side of the story is going to be that he was just an innocent victim who made an honest mistake and got beat up for it… I HIGHLY doubt that’s the case. There is more to this story that we’re not hearing.

Exactly. If I’ve made an honest mistake and I don’t want to be in a fight I keep my mouth shut when someone is pursuing me and pissed off. Not excusing McCullough if that’s all that happened to provoke him but likely a few details are left out.

 

[DaddyChad]

Your unbiased source is going to be the DA once the investigation is completed. That could go in a number of directions but it will take time to get the facts and the investigation completed. Seeing we have already had incidents in the past that have been handled by the Coach and staff in a pretty quick manner before the investigation was complete. I see no reason not to trust the Coach after talking with JM to make a sound decision for all concerned regarding suspension. I don't think that JM will hide anything from Coach in a one on one conversation about the incident. This team respects each other and the staff. I think he will play Saturday.

Agree. A lot of ppl criticizing Heupel but when has he ever not just booted a kid when they were clearly in the wrong?

 

[Jaxon_Vol2017]

Ahh yes the people that know their rights are the problem...Ok Bootlicker.

Nobody said any of that. The anti cop rhetoric in this country is sickening. Like cops sit around and think up ways to screw you over. Get over yourself, you're nowhere near that important.

 

[WilcoVolsFan]

You know your story, know what happened in it. We have the victims account of what happened but do not know what actually occurred. If this guy didn’t knock was in the apartment looking to steal something does your opinion change? If the guy just busted in drunk, confused, etc does it change things? Hell any number of things could’ve provoked a violent response. Fact is if someone invades your house you’re not worried about football or what if this or that, you’re concerned with making sure you’re not in danger and resolving the situation if you feel you are.

Now I’m not saying any of the above went down either, entirely possible the guy went in the apartment drunk, guarantee you McCullough bare minimum thought he was up to no good and followed him out, words were exchanged that definitely didn’t help things, then the guy was punched in the face. That is the victim statement which likely leaves out plenty of details.

It's entirely possible the dude is a serial killer looking to harvest random organs and sell them on the dark web to Chinese billionaires. But it's not very plausible and there's no proof of it. Kind of like what you wrote above.

And no, even in your concocted scenario, you still don't have the legal right to knock a guy down a flight of stairs for that.

 

[sjt18]

It is remarkable that this thread is now 50 pages... and pretty much no one here actually has more than a fraction of the "facts".

We KNOW that the guy was drunk and went into the apartment. We know JM punched him. Reportedly he fell down some steps. Beyond that... everything being argued here is conjecture.

 

[CNCVol88]

Nobody said any of that. The anti cop rhetoric in this country is sickening. Like cops sit around and think up ways to screw you over. Get over yourself, you're nowhere near that important.

Cops don’t sit around and think up ways to screw you over. They’re trained to. It’s not anti-cop rhetoric. It’s the truth.

 

[CNCVol88]

It is remarkable that this thread is now 50 pages... and pretty much no one here actually has more than a fraction of the "facts".

We KNOW that the guy was drunk and went into the apartment. We know JM punched him. Reportedly he fell down some steps. Beyond that... everything being argued here is conjecture.

I mean to be honest we don’t know JM punched him. We know there’s circumstantial evidence that suggests he did but we don’t know that for a fact.

 

[Jaxon_Vol2017]

Cops don’t sit around and think up ways to screw you over. They’re trained to. It’s not anti-cop rhetoric. It’s the truth.

Dumbest thing I've ever read. And that's saying a lot on this site.

 

[sjt18]

I mean to be honest we don’t know JM punched him. We know there’s circumstantial evidence that suggests he did but we don’t know that for a fact.

The one thing we seem to "know" contradictory to the current account is that JM could not have followed him 30 feet out of the door and then knocked him down the stairs. It seems the landing isn't big enough for that. The picture posted earlier seems to put the incident a lot closer to the door of the apartment. That would seem to matter quite a bit. Almost as if the guy were being escorted out rather than going out on his own. JM wouldn't have caught him easily in that space if he left immediately.

 

[Carl Pickens]

You don't assume. You assess the situation. You use your judgment. If someone comes in wearing a black balaclava and carrying a knife, you worry and presume the worst. If you see it's a football fan who's had too much to drink following a big win, you say, "Oh, it's a guy who's had too much to drink and come in the wrong apartment," and then you tell him as much and escort him out and there are no problems. It's not hard.

Yeah… because only mask wearing thugs do bad

 

[CAVPUT]

The one thing we seem to "know" contradictory to the current account is that JM could not have followed him 30 feet out of the door and then knocked him down the stairs. It seems the landing isn't big enough for that. The picture posted earlier seems to put the incident a lot closer to the door of the apartment. That would seem to matter quite a bit. Almost as if the guy were being escorted out rather than going out on his own. JM wouldn't have caught him easily in that space if he left immediately.

Kinda sounds like the so-called victim is picking and choosing parts of the story and embellishing to make things fit his narrative. Always two sides to a story. Got a feeling that Jaylen will have this "felony" dropped to a much lessor charge and he's playing Saturday.

 

[GUNTERSVOL]

*in the eyes of the law

Everyone is innocent until proven guilty in the eyes of the law. Meaning you're not sentenced to criminal or civil punishment by the government until you've had a fair trial.

But in reality, he either did it or he didn't. And if the evidence clearly shows he did it, or if he can't look his Coach in the eye and tell him he didn't do it, then he probably deserves to be suspended and that's on him. These kids get A LOT of direction on making smart choices and acting, not reacting in the moment. IF McCollough did what he's accused of doing, and I don't know, then that's on him.

Did or did not do what? Did he initially get into an altercation with a hooded intruder into his apartment while trying to hold him there till he could get a satisfactory reason to not have him arrested for illegal entry? Did the other guy illegally enter his apartment or not? Did he by law have to believe a guy that got caught after he admitted to knocking and getting no answer before his entry. If he thought he was going back into an apartment he had just left, why would he knock before turning the knob? How do you miss a whole building you just left? That explanation just does not fly. Did JM panic and leave the location to obtain medical treatment on his own hand?

When the guy challenged JM for chasing him down (as I believe I read in an account) could he have included a threatening remark or two in his drunken state and just failed to include that in his statement? Did he say explicitly say that JM knocked his tooth out with a punch? How many punches? Was he capable of distinguishing between being unconscious and in a drunken stupor after a balance challenging fall down the steps? What was the duration of whatever it was?

These and plenty of other questions to be answered BEFORE we can intelligently assign guilt to anyone here, way beyond a self-serving initial statement from a self professed drunken dude.

What do we know that is unchallenged? A drunken guy entered an apartment he was not invited to. He had a verbal altercation with the guy running him out of said apartment. He fell down the stairs. He has a broken tooth or two. JM punched him in the mouth, I think has been agreed upon. More to follow. Keep hoping a video will appear.

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

30 feet, that's not a lot. That's 10 yards. That's about 12 steps. That's about 6 seconds.

I hope he was faster than that