Recruiting Forum Football Talk IV

[engineerVOL]

I still don't think he flipped the bird. Someone said he was doing the "Missed it by that much" thing. I tend to believe that. Doesn't make sense that he's flipping the bird and there's no umpire losing his mind over it. JMO

I actually think he did. The CF ran forward like it was hit short, like a weak mortal would do…. anyway, Honcho told him to remember who he’s dealing with and “first step, back” on a fly ball.

 

[Orange_Crush]

Hugh Grant? Or his mayo loving buddy?

You get one guess.

 

[MoCo_Vol]

We hosted the regional and didn't lose a game...but 2 of the 3 games we were the away team weren't we?

 

[MKEvol]

Kavanah seemed to be making a point how this would be seen if brought before them. But as you say, who knows? Perhaps the SCOTUS will give the NCAA leeway to make their circular argument, that they would otherwise not allow anyone else.

I am trying not to underscore the Kavanaugh comments (they are obviously important/newsworthy), just trying to place them in its proper context, especially for people without a legal background. This to me is the crux of the misinformation, stemming largely from an activist media.

A lot of media members took that Kavanuagh concurrence to argue that Alston did more than what it does. But it was just a concurrence (which holds no precedence) and not the majority opinion (which does hold precedence). It was mere dictum. There are a lot of legal scholars who interpret that line in two contradictory ways. 1) Kavanauagh sees every rule that would limit NIL as an unreasonable restraint and would strike it down, but there are others who would argue that 2) Kavanaugh is forewarning the NCAA that they will have to answer THAT question the next time an NIL case gets to the Court. And it is coming.

To me, the most fascinating part is that the Court decided to rule very narrowly AND no one joined his concurrence. NIL for the foreseeable future will turn on whether those other 8 Justices agree with him or not.

 

[Devo182]

What a shame lol

I mean, yeah I'm not pulling for England in int'l play lol so "yhtsi" per the loss. But the booing is just sad from Hungary, but much is explained below. It was a bunch of children.

Not that Hungary, like most soccer countries that show such hate, are countries with great human rights records. Russia, iran, now Hungary, on top of Mexico's hateful garbage they spew.

Are there even a significant number of black people in Hungary? Guessing not and it shows. But passing it down to children? Yuck.

 

[scienceteaching_vol]

Throwing this out there into the universe hoping it takes root and makes it's way to someone in the renovation process but the warning track around the wall would look banging if it was checkerboard.

 

[SSVol]

You get one guess.

Then naturally I'm choosing the least flattering. It's the VN way.

 

[Orange_Crush]

I am trying not to underscore the Kavanaugh comments (they are obviously important/newsworthy), just trying to place them in its proper context, especially for people without a legal background. This to me is the crux of the misinformation, stemming largely from an activist media.

A lot of media members took that Kavanuagh concurrence to argue that Alston did more than what it does. But it was just a concurrence (which holds no precedence) and not the majority opinion (which does hold precedence). It was mere dictum. There are a lot of legal scholars who interpret that line in two contradictory ways. 1) Kavanauagh sees every rule that would limit NIL as an unreasonable restraint and would strike it down, but there are others who would argue that 2) Kavanaugh is forewarning the NCAA that they will have to answer THAT question the next time an NIL case gets to the Court. And it is coming.

To me, the most fascinating part is that the Court decided to rule very narrowly AND no one joined his concurrence. NIL for the foreseeable future will turn on whether those other 8 Justices agree with him or not.

My understanding is that they ruled narrowly because the plaintiff defined narrowly as opposed to adding risk through broadening these scope. House VS NCAA goes on, I guess.

 

[engineerVOL]

Well, new dog is off to find a new forever home. He is a good dog but he isn't a good fit for our family right now. Needs a lot of training and exercise that we can't really provide. Good dog for a younger family. My wife is taking him to PAWs right now if anyone in the Murfreesboro area is looking for a med/large sized dog (~75 lbs when grown I would guess) He is a mutt, but we think he is probably at least part pit. Loves to play and was starting to get the hang of fetch a little bit over the weekend. Hard to give up a dog but we aren't the right fit for him.

We took ours to get neutered today, and they found a heart murmur during his pre-op physical so he got out of it… for now. Told the vet I would probably develop a heart murmur too if I went in there, too.

Proceeded to tell this lady at church about it, she said you could use my vet, he makes house calls. I said “what like he does the procedure in his van?” She said “no, he does it right there inside the house” I said, “do what?” She said “well yea we just laid some plastic down on the dinner table, my daughter had to get a ziploc bag for the testicles”

True story, and now I’m looking for a new church home.

 

[sjt18]

i'm not seeing many opinions from him tho? just a pretty beige reading of the law and relevant cases? either way, the authors of those two articles you posted are a content marketer and a website nfl draft director. not to say they're clueless, but the guy coming at this from the law side probably has a pretty decent grip on it, too.

He seems drawing a technical opinion which is what a dispassionate lawyer might do. But they're often wrong when they do. As a lawyer, he very likely deals with precedence and application of law situationally. This goes beyond that. It is kind of new territory and the implications of the SCOTUS ruling appear to be a lot more of an obstacle to the NCAA than MKEvol believes.

Even if the NCAA were technically correct... Pandora's Box has been opened. Trying to herd everyone and everything back in just won't work.

Then you also have the possibility that state legislatures are going to get involved which could become an even bigger mess.

IIRC, the NCAA has something like 25 member institutions with AD's in the black. The rest lose money. They just don't have the horsepower to go up against army arrayed against them. Trying could very well be suicidal.

 

[Orange_Crush]

He seems drawing a technical opinion which is what a dispassionate lawyer might do. But they're often wrong when they do. As a lawyer, he very likely deals with precedence and application of law situationally. This goes beyond that. It is kind of new territory and the implications of the SCOTUS ruling appear to be a lot more of an obstacle to the NCAA than MKEvol believes.

Even if the NCAA were technically correct... Pandora's Box has been opened. Trying to herd everyone and everything back in just won't work.

Then you also have the possibility that state legislatures are going to get involved which could become an even bigger mess.

IIRC, the NCAA has something like 25 member institutions with AD's in the black. The rest lose money. They just don't have the horsepower to go up against army arrayed against them. Trying could very well be suicidal.

Imagine if 1/10 of the NCAA athletes sued the NCAA on amateurism/NIL grounds.

 

[MKEvol]

i'm not seeing many opinions from him tho? just a pretty beige reading of the law and relevant cases? either way, the authors of those two articles you posted are a content marketer and a website nfl draft director. not to say they're clueless, but the guy coming at this from the law side probably has a pretty decent grip on it, too.

Thank you. And I am not trying to paint my own opinions into the larger NIL discussion. As I said earlier, I want us to pay Tate and Mauigoa because those are the rules we operate under right this second. Might as well take advantage of that.

As for sjt...you did just post two media members with zero legal background to argue something about that law, which also included this gem "The ruling only dealt with education-related payments and failed to address any restriction on the compensation payments to the student-athletes or prospective student-athletes themselves." which actually helps further my point. So thank you.

I have never claimed to know how this plays out, not even a little bit. I hope my comments haven't come off that way. All I have provided is the analysis any lawyer would give you as to where the law currently stands. I think I have laid out a good analysis of how the Court will review future NCAA Regulations, but ultimately it is up to the Court and Congress to sort the mess out.

 

[Jackcrevol]

I don't We are strictly a custom builder. One engine will cost well over $20K. Also, we haven't built anything under 14'W and 45' long and that's been a very long time. Our boats average 18'W and 70' long now. You may find a small pontoon houseboat that's trailerable from the 80's or 90's in that range. I would look at Suntracker party huts or Catamaran Cruisers. CC used to have a model they marketed as a houseboat that could be used as an RV too called a Lil' Hobo.

Invol,

Weezer's Mom needs a dinghy pretty badly. Any suggestions?

 

[Nash_Vol97]

I actually think he did. The CF ran forward like it was hit short, like a weak mortal would do…. anyway, Honcho told him to remember who he’s dealing with and “first step, back” on a fly ball.

He definitely did IMO. I think the real question is who or what it was aimed at. Personally don’t care either way, I’ve embraced the villain role just like this team certainly has.

 

[Pridedad]

We took ours to get neutered today, and they found a heart murmur during his pre-op physical so he got out of it… for now. Told the vet I would probably develop a heart murmur too if I went in there, too.

Proceeded to tell this lady at church about it, she said you could use my vet, he makes house calls. I said “what like he does the procedure in his van?” She said “no, he does it right there inside the house” I said, “do what?” She said “well yea we just laid some plastic down on the dinner table, my daughter had to get a ziploc bag for the testicles”

True story, and now I’m looking for a new church home.

That is hilarious.

Home vet care not your thing?

 

[Jackcrevol]

Well, new dog is off to find a new forever home. He is a good dog but he isn't a good fit for our family right now. Needs a lot of training and exercise that we can't really provide. Good dog for a younger family. My wife is taking him to PAWs right now if anyone in the Murfreesboro area is looking for a med/large sized dog (~75 lbs when grown I would guess) He is a mutt, but we think he is probably at least part pit. Loves to play and was starting to get the hang of fetch a little bit over the weekend. Hard to give up a dog but we aren't the right fit for him.

Rule 1

- No Pitts

Next...

 

[SSVol]

That is hilarious.

Home vet care not your thing?

Balls in a baggie? Pass.

 

[Pridedad]

Balls in a baggie? Pass.

They are already in a sac!

 

[Weezer]

Email sent, the n00dz are of course from @Weezer

I knew someone was collecting them.

 

[MoCo_Vol]

We took ours to get neutered today, and they found a heart murmur during his pre-op physical so he got out of it… for now. Told the vet I would probably develop a heart murmur too if I went in there, too.

Proceeded to tell this lady at church about it, she said you could use my vet, he makes house calls. I said “what like he does the procedure in his van?” She said “no, he does it right there inside the house” I said, “do what?” She said “well yea we just laid some plastic down on the dinner table, my daughter had to get a ziploc bag for the testicles”

True story, and now I’m looking for a new church home.

Her poor husband. Is he okay?

 

[SSVol]

They are already in a sac!

Well, yeah, but not one I can see through.

 

[engineerVOL]

Her poor husband. Is he okay?

Hahahaha yea I didn’t think to ask if she was talking about a pet

 

[Devo182]

We just beat 2 good teams in this regional. On to the supers. TV and staff will have time to work on some things this week. I’m not saying it cannot happen but this team is going to be hard to beat 2 out of 3.

Yup. Apparently ND has very good pitching and pitching is deep, but bats are very meh.

I could see some Vandy type scores. 5-0, 6-2, etc.

I'd rather see that than facing crazy good bats, when it only takes a swing or two to flip a game.

 

[Weezer]

We took ours to get neutered today, and they found a heart murmur during his pre-op physical so he got out of it… for now. Told the vet I would probably develop a heart murmur too if I went in there, too.

Proceeded to tell this lady at church about it, she said you could use my vet, he makes house calls. I said “what like he does the procedure in his van?” She said “no, he does it right there inside the house” I said, “do what?” She said “well yea we just laid some plastic down on the dinner table, my daughter had to get a ziploc bag for the testicles”

True story, and now I’m looking for a new church home.

Is her vet @OGbabyaviVol ?

 

[butchna]

I hate that this thread keeps going off topic, but this continues to be a problem. Somehow I feel you both are going to be shocked when the NCAA tries to regain a grasp on NIL by placing new restrictions - I'm trying to forewarn you.

Volbeast, I gave you an accurate reading of the holding in Alston. That is where the law stands today. "Schools making millions while not allowing S-As to profit from their rights of publicity" is an argument/legal case you have invented in your head that has never been adjudicated.

There have been two cases that have addressed "payments" to NCAA athletes in recent years, 1) O'Bannon v NCAA; and 2) Alston v NCAA. Both had the chance to offer a broad legal precedence and did not. O'Bannon held that the NCAA could not cap scholarships below the "true cost of attendance, PLUS $5k/year in a trust for those S-As;" while Alston held that the NCAA could not cap "non cash benefits related to educational opportunities." In fact, in Alston, SCOTUS chose not to address the 9th Cir.'s holding that the NCAA has a legitimate interest in "preserving amateurism and thus improving consumer choice by maintaining a distinction between college and professional sports."

All of this is to say, for the TLDR crowd:
There is the law you two want, and the law the way it is. Currently, there is still not one single thing that is stopping the NCAA from trying to regain control of NIL by placing restrictions on the athletes who participate. Sorry Butchna, but no door has been closed to the NCAA - certainly not as it pertains to non-educational benefits. When the time comes, the rules the NCAA place will likely be challenged in court, as they should be. It will be up to the court to then decide whether those rules constitute an unfair restraint on trade. But do not mistake the NCAA's current hands-off approach as the end-all be-all for NIL. We are long way from finding where it lands, and the court system/Congress/NCAA are going to be the ones who ultimately shape it.

An athlete either CAN profit off his own brand or he CAN’T. Supreme Court reversed the long-standing precedent of the latter. I think the same brilliant legal minds who decreed that we’d end up paying Schiano and Pruitt millions of dollars will be “shocked” at how cut and dry this ruling was in effect. The NCAA can regulate what their member schools can offer in scholarships and other student athlete benefits. They can’t sidle up to Spyre and demand they only offer the same amount available to a Vandy commit. Just can’t. And you’re never going to get a consensus of CONGRESSMEN to vote against their own state governments for laws that have already been ruled against by the Supreme Court. My only fervent hope is that the madness out of California doesn’t tank the whole tamale. If students are ruled to be EMPLOYEES i.e. LABOR? Then the cost benefit determination for universities comes into question. And without the STAGING, the college game isn’t a player in big money and the NCAA can micromanage the glorified intramural remnants as they see fit. They’ll prolly need lawyers with excessive lung capacity. Keep your resume updated.