War in Ukraine

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Rasputin_Vol said:
Sounds like you are trying to give me a lecture about the Russian succession plan. Why do I need to know that? You were the one that posted the article. I simply made a response/reply and added in a quote from the article and gave my $.02 about it.
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You're right. I was messing with you a bit.
I was sincerely curious about how that would work though, so I looked it up.
I obviously don't know how real any of these rumor are about his health or about any discontent.
I would guess that there are some people who would want Putin to be more aggressive, and some who would want him to back off.
 
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LouderVol said:
I have called out their bs and never been called a soviet. Several other posters have commented negatively on several pieces of the propaganda and not been called Soviets.

You guys are called Soviets because you literally only take their side. First time in history the aggressor in a war has done nothing wrong worth mentioning.
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The Soviet Union is long gone LMAO. I am pretty sure most people in here are against communism. At least I would hope so.
 
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The Pentagon hung the Ukrainian flag upside down during a virtual meeting with the country's military leaders

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volgr said:
Ukraine will not re-take Donbas, Crimea or Crimean land bridge. We can bet on that.
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Russia looks to be winding down and Ukraine is building up. Ukraine started out with a lot of ragtag volunteers using anything they had - and held Kiev. Now Ukraine is picking up new and far more lethal weapons, and those volunteers are being trained to use them. You could be right or you could be very wrong in your analysis, but it's too early to start counting chickens before the eggs hatch.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
They can. They did. How did that work out for them?
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Do we live in a world where might makes right, or has mankind learned anything in the past hundred years or so? I thought you detested the way Europe was constantly battling and taking land from each other. The victors claiming the spoils at the end of the "war to end all wars" set up the next world war. The more respectful and gracious handling of the WW2 vanquished turned them into lasting friends. Of course, the Soviets, managed and operated by Russia, by force kept disparate counties with poorly drawn boundaries mostly under control until the USSR failed - you'd expect bloody readjustment including genocide there ... and we weren't disappointed.
 
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AM64 said:
Do we live in a world where might makes right, or has mankind learned anything in the past hundred years or so?
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Mankind, whether we like it or not, will always be ruled by that. Not justifying it or saying it is right. Just giving you the truth. And you know this as well. I was going to say "deep down you know this", but I think in this particular situation, you are making a special exemption for your disdain for Russia.

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I thought you detested the way Europe was constantly battling and taking land from each other.
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I do detest it. But that doesn't mean that it is my concern or my business to be involved in. Let Europe take care of Europe. Meanwhile, we have enough to keep our hands full in this hemisphere.

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The victors claiming the spoils at the end of the "war to end all wars" set up the next world war.
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I don't disagree with that to an extent. But if you want to get into specifics, I blame a large part of both world wars on Britain and their desire to keep Germany from overtaking them economically. Germany was clearly an industrial giant leading up to WWI and was back on track after the crushing reparations and penalties put in place by the Treaty of Versailles.

I'm wondering where you are going with this comment, because it seems like you are saying that the winner of wars should not be able to dictate the terms of surrender or ceasefire.

AM64 said:
The more respectful and gracious handling of the WW2 vanquished turned them into lasting friends. Of course, the Soviets, managed and operated by Russia, by force kept disparate counties with poorly drawn boundaries mostly under control until the USSR failed - you'd expect bloody readjustment including genocide there ... and we weren't disappointed.
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The Soviet Union was The Soviet Union after WWII... a communist dictatorship with soul crushing policies that left tens of millions dead. So I can perfectly understand why people within the region would still hold animosities towards Russians.

The United States after WWII was blessed with having the moral high ground and being the shining example of freedom and prosperity. So of course it was easier for us to make friends, build relationships and gain the trust of a lot of countries. But we quickly used that blessing and took advantage of our position (Iran, Guatemala, Vietnam) and ended up moving in the same direction that The Soviet Union went to. Now obviously, I'm not saying that we have killed tens of millions or are close to the atrocities of the Soviet Union. I'm simply saying that we have been moving in that direction.
 
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AM64 said:
Russia looks to be winding down and Ukraine is building up. Ukraine started out with a lot of ragtag volunteers using anything they had - and held Kiev. Now Ukraine is picking up new and far more lethal weapons, and those volunteers are being trained to use them. You could be right or you could be very wrong in your analysis, but it's too early to start counting chickens before the eggs hatch.
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Will those weapons get to the front line without being blown to bits?
 
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AM64 said:
You could be right or you could be very wrong in your analysis, but it's too early to start counting chickens before the eggs hatch.
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I sense a bit of doubt in this last sentence. You are hedging and hoping for a turnaround based on this supposed second wave of weapons and troops. Clearly, your tone indicates that they are loosing right now. You just are not willing to come to terms.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Mankind, whether we like it or not, will always be ruled by that. Not justifying it or saying it is right. Just giving you the truth. And you know this as well. I was going to say "deep down you know this", but I think in this particular situation, you are making a special exemption for your disdain for Russia.


I do detest it. But that doesn't mean that it is my concern or my business to be involved in. Let Europe take care of Europe. Meanwhile, we have enough to keep our hands full in this hemisphere.


I don't disagree with that to an extent. But if you want to get into specifics, I blame a large part of both world wars on Britain and their desire to keep Germany from overtaking them economically. Germany was clearly an industrial giant leading up to WWI and was back on track after the crushing reparations and penalties put in place by the Treaty of Versailles.

I'm wondering where you are going with this comment, because it seems like you are saying that the winner of wars should not be able to dictate the terms of surrender or ceasefire.


The Soviet Union was The Soviet Union after WWII... a communist dictatorship with soul crushing policies that left tens of millions dead. So I can perfectly understand why people within the region would still hold animosities towards Russians.

The United States after WWII was blessed with having the moral high ground and being the shining example of freedom and prosperity. So of course it was easier for us to make friends, build relationships and gain the trust of a lot of countries. But we quickly used that blessing and took advantage of our position (Iran, Guatemala, Vietnam) and ended up moving in the same direction that The Soviet Union went to. Now obviously, I'm not saying that we have killed tens of millions or are close to the atrocities of the Soviet Union. I'm simply saying that we have been moving in that direction.
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I've agreed with you several times on our misadventures. I've also been consistent that we are one of the world powers, and it's somewhat an obligation to balance what other world powers do - like invading another country or perhaps supporting insurrection in existing countries. Hopefully that action is with an alliance of other free powers. The UN doesn't work well when the other two world powers (and sometimes their satellites) hold veto power over UN actions - one of the great failings. Perhaps the day will come when regional alliances are strong enough without our direct support to cancel what Russia and China can do, but that's probably wishful thinking.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
I sense a bit of doubt in this last sentence. You are hedging and hoping for a turnaround based on this supposed second wave of weapons and troops. Clearly, your tone indicates that they are loosing right now. You just are not willing to come to terms.
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Not at all. It simply isn't over until it's over, and there are no sure things, but if I were betting my bet would go on Ukraine.
 
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AM64 said:
I've agreed with you several times on our misadventures. I've also been consistent that we are one of the world powers, and it's somewhat an obligation to balance what other world powers do - like invading another country or perhaps supporting insurrection in existing countries.
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Read what you just posted. Think about it for a moment...

AM64 said:
Hopefully that action is with an alliance of other free powers. The UN doesn't work well when the other two world powers (and sometimes their satellites) hold veto power over UN actions - one of the great failings. Perhaps the day will come when regional alliances are strong enough without our direct support to cancel what Russia and China can do, but that's probably wishful thinking.
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Are Russia and China "one of the world powers"? What makes the US, especially after the end of WWII and particularly since 9/11, the global police force and ultimate judge and jury? Do these other countries not share the same privilege as the United States in their own spheres of influence?
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Read what you just posted. Think about it for a moment...


Are Russia and China "one of the world powers"? What makes the US, especially after the end of WWII and particularly since 9/11, the global police force and ultimate judge and jury? Do these other countries not share the same privilege as the United States in their own spheres of influence?
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Would you like it better if I had adjusted a few words just to make it absolutely clear?

I've also been consistent that we are one of the world powers, and it's somewhat an obligation to balance what other world powers do - like when Russia or China invade another country or perhaps support insurrection in existing countries.
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As to the second part - the spheres of influence, should we maintain that we rule the Western hemisphere and Asia belongs to China and Europe to Russia. That might get messy because Russia lies mostly in Asia, and you still have to account for Africa and huge parts of the Pacific and Atlantic and Indian Oceans.
 
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