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volbeast33 said:
It has been used in many different ways throughout history…. Now it is referring to all of this pseudo-progressivism that is based on feelings and emotion instead of logic.
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He knows that...he is a sympathist with all that woke 🐎💩

Still a good guy though..🤷‍♂️
 
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Ulysees E. McGill said:
🦬💩...the athletes are not in the same universe. That is why it sucks to watch...I know you hate to admit pure truth, but there it us.
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No, I absolutely agree with you that the athletes aren't in the same universe. I'm also telling you why they're not. IDK why that's a problem for a few of you. Women are always going to be a few seconds slower or jump a little lower. However, the reason there's such disparity is because there's no investment. Put it to you another way... The young men we watch are close to hitting their ceilings as athletes and part of what makes college fun to watch is watching them hit it. The young women that we watch are nowhere close to where they should be - a program like Summitt's got them very close to that but even then it was her and UCONN with a ton of room to grow even within those programs. THAT is the difference. The quality of women's sports could be soooo much higher than it is.
 
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UTProf said:
Ain't nothing but a reaction to my username. I've thought about changing it more than once because it causes some folks to come at me with a set of assumptions and issues they want to work out.
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Had nothing to do with it. It just gets old hearing how (insert name) was at a huge disadvantage because someone else was holding them back. Racism happened and still is but that’s not what I’m talking about. I am referring to a portion of society looking for a reason to be offended and feel slighted. For the most part in this country you get out what you put in.
 
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UTProf said:
It can be for sure but style is often dictated by talent and development and those things are related to the investments we make early on as well as within programs (UT invests in WBB so it's a bit of an exception). When women's teams suck we always say it's fundamental ball. But when we had players like Holdsclaw and Candace Parker no one worried about style of play. That was good basketball.
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I think you’re exactly right, but I think the problem with Women's basketball is that the depth of National talent is lacking. Therefore you’re top programs (which was us under Pat) collect all the elite talent and the remainder of the programs get the next tier of talent. That’s why no lower seed has ever won the Womens championship. I ran track and CC and it was the same there. The issue the Lady Vols are having is that the program dropped a tier under Holly and we’re having to transition back to get that elite talent in.
 
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Devo182 said:
Anecdotally speaking, James Madison (JMU) should be higher.

Used to have a buddy in Knoxville that was a pretty well known local radio dj, rapper, and event dj (think he did some UT work). He'd travel up to JMU with a few others and put on campus shows a couple times a year. Seemed like a pretty wild school, moreso than UT at least.

Also surpised Alabama is that high.

Jmo but I'd guess a lot of beach colleges...the beach gives every person an excuse to party just a bit...Tuscaloosa...not so much. Maybe they just have to drown their sorrows.
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I went to East Caolina University and I have never seen a party day or night that was not well attended. I haven't been back in 15 years, but they used to be #1 or #2 every year in Playboy.[VIDEO=][/VIDEO]
 
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UTProf said:
No, I absolutely agree with you that the athletes aren't in the same universe. I'm also telling you why they're not. IDK why that's a problem for a few of you. Women are always going to be a few seconds slower or jump a little lower. However, the reason there's such disparity is because there's no investment. Put it to you another way... The young men we watch are close to hitting their ceilings as athletes and part of what makes college fun to watch is watching them hit it. The young women that we watch are nowhere close to where they should be - a program like Summitt's got them very close to that but even then it was her and UCONN with a ton of room to grow even within those programs. THAT is the difference. The quality of women's sports could be soooo much higher than it is.
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How do you figure that? Those girls/women have been playing/ training for basketball since they were 7 yrs old…. Even during the lady Vols best years they struggled playing random pick up guys from campus…. As an example in the difference in athleticism between men and women…. The us olympic womens team got dominated by a 15u boys club soccer team….. I love womens basketball but that is just the reality of it.
 
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UTMVol76 said:
I think you’re exactly right, but I think the problem with Women's basketball is that the depth of National talent is lacking. Therefore you’re top programs (which was us under Pat) collect all the elite talent and the remainder of the programs get the next tier of talent. That’s why no lower seed has ever won the Womens championship. I ran track and CC and it was the same there. The issue the Lady Vols are having is that the program dropped a tier under Holly and we’re having to transition back to get that elite talent in.
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Yep, but also.. although the pool of talent is larger than it used to be, there are many more viable programs competing on the national stage. In an ironic twist of fate, we have Pat Summitt to thank for that. I'm old... was at UT (came from out of state) right after the lawsuit was won that allowed girls to play full court basketball in TN ( a friend pointed out the girl - I think from Chattanooga - whose family filed the suit. We've come a long way, baby!
 
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UTProf said:
No, I absolutely agree with you that the athletes aren't in the same universe. I'm also telling you why they're not. IDK why that's a problem for a few of you. Women are always going to be a few seconds slower or jump a little lower. However, the reason there's such disparity is because there's no investment. Put it to you another way... The young men we watch are close to hitting their ceilings as athletes and part of what makes college fun to watch is watching them hit it. The young women that we watch are nowhere close to where they should be - a program like Summitt's got them very close to that but even then it was her and UCONN with a ton of room to grow even within those programs. THAT is the difference. The quality of women's sports could be soooo much higher than it is.
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In general, if you have 100 little boys and 100 little girls (Let’s say 7-10 years old), what % of each will have a strong interest in Sports and Athletics?
 
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UTProf said:
And that's an assumption and rather silly response. We don't invest in women's sports and then y'all whine when the product suffers. Larry Bird was a generational player in a generation of super-stars but how he practiced is irrelevant. He's the exception that proves the rule. However, in general the more time and money invested in something the better it gets. Yeah, some like Bird can just use dirt. Most everyone else needs support, coaching, equipment, weight training.

The differences in men and women are always going to exist. No one's arguing that but the athletic training matters as does coaching and equipment. Ask anyone who has ever played any sport. Raise the bar across the board and women's sports will get better. And if it's that you only enjoy watching the best of the best, I don't understand why you bother with college sports at all.
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I’m just not sure this is true. Maybe to an extent. I taught girls in a poor county that had practically nothing. Two in particular went on to excel at basketball and get a scholarship. One, Kim Woodlee, got a scholarship at Kansas State and set many records there while going on to become a doctor. Many girls have went on to play in college. I’m not sure there would be more opportunities for the girls just because there were better coaches, training, etc. Then again, I just admire all these girls being dedicated and practicing relentlessly.
 
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volbeast33 said:
It has been used in many different ways throughout history…. Now it is referring to all of this pseudo-progressivism that is based on feelings and emotion instead of logic.
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Sure. It is now by opposition. It is what it is...but I'm saying that wasn't its purpose or intent. The opposition uses it as a blanket term for whatever they disagree with...the new "political correctness". And all it did is quiet black voices and legitimate issues by watering it down and making it about other issues under various social scenarios. Both sides to blame to be honest. Few took time to understood it and both abused it.

Woke isn't even meant for white people. That's the thing. And also why it was left behind...only others use it now.
 
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UTProf said:
I mean when you invest millions upon millions in one and a buck fifty in the other what the hell do you expect? The disparity is even worse if you consider the investment from grade school onward.
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Not sure I agree with your cause and effect. Money follows potential. Women gymnasts, for example, make more than men.
 
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volbeast33 said:
How do you figure that? Those girls/women have been playing/ training for basketball since they were 7 yrs old…. Even during the lady Vols best years they struggled playing random pick up guys from campus…. As an example in the difference in athleticism between men and women…. The us olympic womens team got dominated by a 15u boys club soccer team….. I love womens basketball but that is just the reality of it.
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There's simply not the same level of training and investment at the lower levels. You've got a handful of programs for girls in any sport where what could be considered elite training and coaching happens and most of that is in Olympic sports because those sports have been incentivized. Sports like basketball are not incentivized for girls. Sports like tennis, track, gymnastics and swimming are.

As for the rest... I don't understand your point. Why the hell are you comparing male and female athletes?
 
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I think there are many examples we have out there that show that strictly throwing money at a problem solves nothing (I.e Public Education system for one). Return on investment is another consideration obviously.

One problem I have always had with Womens athletics is the “pay equity” conversation that people should almost be forced to watch the product regardless of it being a good product or not. Example there is WNBA players complaining of pay inequality, but the league wouldn’t even exist today if it weren’t for the NBA subsidizing it. Truth is, they don’t produce a product anyone wants to spend their money on or invest in.
 
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Ulysees E. McGill said:
Exactly...just f'n genetic truth. It's why a mediocre effeminate dude dominates womens swimming.

It's not their fault, it's just truth.
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We need more men playing women's sports.

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