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Batman1948 said:
I don't know if you read the Basilio blog, but he has an exceptionally good explanation on this subject today.
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I don't normally so thank you. Seems like that may very well be the case and if so we'll all be thrilled to wait an extra few months to have already completed the scholarship reduction penalty before it was even officially announced.
 
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Jimmy Football said:
It’s a crazy how every much every major change in college football ends up being a disaster for us.
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Wouldn't say that at all. We appear slow to the game, but from what I've read it's because we really, really took our time making sure we were compliant. Meanwhile, Texas and others have gone in nilly willy and now the NCAA is looking into multiple programs.

Spyre just really got things going in the past couple weeks.

At the end of the day, we absolutely have one of the biggest non-pro markets for any college town. And a very dedicated fanbase...and now a great structure for NiL.
 
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Batman1948 said:
We don't have spots available right now because we are self-imposing scholarship penalties. We have to be somewhere around 72--75 scholarships when classes start next week. This includes our 13 early enrollees. When spring practice concludes, we can move some players to the portal and then we can replace them one for one as long as we stay at the 72--75 level. It's not hard to understand but it's easy to blame the coaches for being bad recruiters. I can feel my IQ dropping every time I read some of these posts blaming our current coaches for sh*t the other staff created.
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Not once did I blame the coaching staff for things caused by the previous lmao. I literally said that when they hired him I was nervous about his ability to recruit at the SEC level, the defensive side of the ball and needing to step up NIL. Reading is essential Batman.
 
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thistime said:
Now lets calm down a bit. We all know that the Volnation is a fickle bunch and unless EVERYBODY wants to come here then we have a terrible coach and or coaches and must change. We should all realize that every week during the season you can watch ANY game from ANY conference and there are WR on every team, that most people have never heard of making great football plays on a regular basis. Tyreek Hill went to West Alabama, Davanta Adams went to Fresno State and until they went to the NFL nobody new who they were and some big college's never gave them a sniff. Good players are out there and many will not get a write up by a sports writer until they sign with a pro team and make a huge check.
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I agree with what you're saying and it seems the whine level has been turned up to 11 around here. It has always been cool to hear the stories of the Tyreek Hill's of the world but I really believe the days of the unheralded players from Podunk U going on to be monsters in NFL are over. Not because there won't always be breakout stars that were overlooked in high school or just blossomed late. Rather because they will never finish their career at Podunk U. They will transfer to one of the schools that wouldn't give them the time of day when in high school. I'm not saying these schools won't hold onto some good players but I do believe the cream of the crop will transfer out whether it's for exposure, money, a chance for a championship, etc. I think that between the transfer rule and NIL the Wyomings of the world will never hold onto an elite player for their entire college career. JMO
 
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MoCo_Vol said:
Yeah honestly I think that's been the plan.

This is purely speculation by me, so take it with a grain of salt.
  • When White got hired I think the powers that be told him they needed a specific coach and they'd pay $ to get them. But I think that type of coach was a foundation/long haul type coach not a flashy big name and they wanted someone that hadn't had previous NCAA troubles.
  • Once Heupel was hired I'm sure White & powers that be were upfront and honest with him. That the upgrades and renovation projects were a priority over NIL/Recruiting budget in his first few years and that some self imposed penalties would also be on the table.

Again I'm of the mindset that I'd rather rip the band-aid off all at once. Year 1-3 we weren't going to suddenly be winning 10 games and making trips to Atlanta, cause the only way to fast track that is to do the very thing we fired with cause Pruitt for. So if we didn't want to walk that path it's better to miss on flashy recruits/transfers and get all the penalties and renovations behind us before they gear up to really embrace the NIL and recruiting in this new era.
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^ That makes sense, but the problem with it is that generally with innovation/disruption, the first-to-market end up leading the pack and build on that momentum to keep stragglers playing catch-up from a less than advantageous distance behind the big dogs. We'd be wise not to allow too much time pass before learning from what we've seen with Georgia and Texas A&M and adapt with the recruiting and NIL ASAP.
 
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lilesrt said:
Is it NIL or recruiting pitch? Or both? I thought our NIL program was better than originally expected..

I do not understand why players wouldn’t be drawn to Josh Heupel and what he’s building. He’s a good dude and excellent coach.
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I don’t either. I can understand Neyor wanting to be closer to home but at the same time I look at Tennessee WR production compared to Texas WR production from last season and it leaves me scratching my head. This offense can put up madden numbers on a weekly basis.
 
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OneVolNation said:
^ That makes sense, but the problem with it is that generally with innovation/disruption, the first-to-market end up leading the pack and build on that momentum to keep stragglers playing catch-up from a less than advantageous distance behind the big dogs. We'd be wise to not let too much time pass before learning from what we've seen with Georgia and Texas A&M and adapting with the recruiting and NIL ASAP.
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I don't know if I completely agree with that part. Most the major companies still around weren't first-to-market. But this isn't exactly apples to apples either, so we'll have to see how it pans out with college sports, the fact that other sports are very successful right now at UT has me hopeful Football can also do the same.
 
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Batman1948 said:
They'll keep doing their damn job
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To what level they can. But remember when Kirby took over at UGA, he told the admin that the “no” answers had to be “yes” answers if they wanted to win, and that he wasn’t going to win anything with his hands tied behind his back. Our coach won’t say that to Danny because he won’t be fired for only winning 8 games, but I don’t think the older fans will be happy long term with 8 win seasons.
 
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Weezer said:
People need to accept that despite some successes, we've obviously struggled with recruiting. The reasons why could be numerous, but it's an obvious problem to be concerned about. Recruiting HAS to improve. Saying that does not translate to "fire Heupel!" like some seem to believe. Coach Heupel has done a tremendous job of coaching this team but recruiting has to be fixed. Hell, he'd probably say so himself.
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Not really, if you consider original expectations. I think many hoped for top-20. A few negas said top 25/30, even though we've rarely swam in those waters, even at our very worse (which could be said of this class's situation given 2020).

Then we landed #15 by ESD...looks like we'll end up lower, currently at 22nd in overall composite...but we're still well within our range of expectations.

If anything, our quick rise on ESD probably juiced up expectations above what they originally were.
 
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Batman1948 said:
We don't have spots available right now because we are self-imposing scholarship penalties. We have to be somewhere around 72--75 scholarships when classes start next week. This includes our 13 early enrollees. When spring practice concludes, we can move some players to the portal and then we can replace them one for one as long as we stay at the 72--75 level. It's not hard to understand but it's easy to blame the coaches for being bad recruiters. I can feel my IQ dropping every time I read some of these posts blaming our current coaches for sh*t the other staff created.
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We have at least one spot available because Neyor was set to fill it until his bitch ass bailed on us. Some people are saying our coaches are bad recruiters (I guess), but some are simply saying we're struggling in recruiting. The two don't have to mean the same thing, though apparently, we're all getting lumped together. Three targets, three misses, that's struggling. That doesn't mean our coaches suck at recruiting. Why we missed could be a number of various reasons outside the control of our coaches, but that we missed still translates to "we're struggling with recruiting". Whatever the "why", it needs to be fixed. But as far as I'm aware, no one has advocated for firing our coaches. I think we all agree Heupel has done a hell of a job so far. So why people get offended by talking about problems that still need to be addressed is beyond me. Are people so thin-skinned that they view anything critical as a personal affront? I mean, damn, can we not have simple, honest conversations without people getting offended? The amount of butthurt in this forum lately is getting out of hand. People need to calm their tits. If you don't want to be part of the conversation, then don't chime in, but don't bitch because some people want to discuss what's going on with the team on a message board dedicated to the team. FFS, if you're that mad about conversations you don't like, put people on ignore, or go hug puppies, or find something else entirely different to do. Life goes on. It's going to be okay.

@Batman1948 - This started off as a response to your post and became a bit of a rant not specifically directed at you, so don't take it as a personal attack. It's not. I just got caught up in my thoughts.
 
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NoogaVol96 said:
Two things I was nervous about when they hired Heupel was his recruiting ability at the SEC level and defense and it looks like my nerves were onto something. We have got to get NIL in gear asap.
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We were literally saying the exact opposite on NSD when we landed West and Pearce.
 
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Devo182 said:
Not really, if you consider original expectations. I think many hoped for top-20. A few negas said top 25/30, even though we've rarely swam in those waters, even at our very worse (which could be said of this class's situation given 2020).

Then we landed #15 by ESD...looks like we'll end up lower, currently at 22nd in overall composite...but we're still well within our range of expectations.

If anything, our quick rise on ESD probably juiced up expectations above what they originally were.
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Expectations were we'd struggle with recruiting. Reality is we didn't struggle as much as some expected. That doesn't mean we haven't struggled with recruiting. We have. It is not a situation totally controlled by the coaches, so it's not accurate to completely blame them.
 
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MoCo_Vol said:
I don't know if I completely agree with that part. Most the major companies still around weren't first-to-market. But this isn't exactly apples to apples either, so we'll have to see how it pans out with college sports, the fact that other sports are very successful right now at UT has me hopeful Football can also do the same.
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It makes for an interesting management study and I agree it will be fascinating to observe as applies to college sports from a theoretical standpoint.


Christensen, Clayton & McDonald, Rory & Altman, Elizabeth & Palmer, Jonathan. (2018). Disruptive Innovation: An Intellectual History and Directions for Future Research. Journal of Management Studies. 55. 10.1111/joms.12349.
 
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Leeleesteeth said:
Here's what will likely happen. Hendon Hooker will be in the conversation for several post season awards. A WR who is CURRENTLY on the roster will emerge as a star like Tillman did this year. I don't know which one and neither do any of the other Nostradamuses (Nostradomi?) on here. The coaching staff will evaluate and develop the current roster and take their time adding whatever pieces THEY think is necessary. Probably after Spring Ball. VN will continue to accuse them of some form of incompetence or another regardless.
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Agree. It’s almost as if the coaches are doing what they want and not worrying about what we think about. Also seems like they are being straight up honest with players and only want who wants to be here. And most of all.... not really worried about the portal until after spring practice. At least that’s how it seems to me.
 
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Smyrna ATL Vol said:
If you were giving thousands of dollars you would want to make sure your funds are being well spent.
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They've already declared 2 things:

1) 90% to players, 10% overhead

2) They are pushing to bring that 10% down to zero using another donation pool. Bringing it to 100% to players should further increase donations.

The one thing they haven't announced yet, but I've suggested to them, is a targeted, independent audit of those specfic funds. That would ease a lot of concerns imo and again increase donations.
 
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