Recruiting Forum Football Talk IV

[Bassmaster_Vol]

I am not saying you are wrong - you very well could be right. But what evidence do you have to suggest this coaching staff is better than the last?

Again, I am not flaming, trolling or looking for an argument. I just want to know what you see.

Uh, our defense is statistically playing better than it has been in years. Our offense is scoring more points than they have been in years. The scheme is working, guys are wide open on offense. Players like Butler and Jackson are showing clear signs of development.

not to mention the track record of Heup, Garner, Martinez, etc.

It’s a no brainer that this staff is better than one who had literal bag men coaching certain positions and Chris Weinke coaching QB’s

 

[butchna]

FSU’s first call should Freeze and it’s not even close IMO. Immediately puts them on map in the ACC again. Best coach remotely available by far

Jameis Winston messed it up for them.

 

[Bassmaster_Vol]

While all of this is true, lets just be honest. The only reason Milton does not have more turnovers is because nobody can get close to any of his passes.

Lol

 

[Ron Swanson]

Hey you whiskey snobs, is michters small batch bourbon good?

Yes

 

[Leeleesteeth]

Let’s play the games and see

Nah. Just let the internet experts determine all the outcomes, pick the starting QB, and hire and fire the coaches ahead of time.

 

[csprig9]

Well, that would be nice but most people thought we’d be a 5-7 win team. But when it actually unfolds they still lose their minds. It’s interesting to witness.

I’m still holding out hope for 7-5 but I still wouldn’t e surprised if we go 4-8

 

[VolGee4]

I am not saying you are wrong - you very well could be right. But what evidence do you have to suggest this coaching staff is better than the last?

Again, I am not flaming, trolling or looking for an argument. I just want to know what you see.

MY EYES!

Of course you say this...you are definitely looking for an argument.

 

[MoCo_Vol]

I mean...maybe I'm just being overly optimistic. But hell far we've only had 1 team out of 3 score a freaking TD on us, and had we played a cleaner game with less mistakes we'd be undefeated. The loss came down to the team itself making mistakes, Pitt didn't really beat them or out talent them.

I'm very happy with where the defense is, I was most worried about that side of the ball. I had higher hopes for the QB play but it's better than what we got from JG and previous staffs. I like what Hooker has done. A OL that can't hold protection I don't see a real negative in a QB who can run and also is highly accurate and fast getting it out of his hands to WRs quickly.

Much rather see Velus Jones, Hyatt, Calloway, Tillman or Payton, etc. make a guy miss and go for 50 off a 3 yard slant than them getting over thrown by 5 yards or more on deep balls 50 yards down field.

 

[Kingston Vol]

Uh, our defense is statistically playing better than it has been in years. Our offense is scoring more points than they have been in years. The scheme is working, guys are wide open on offense. Players like Butler and Jackson are showing clear signs of development.

not to mention the track record of Heup, Garner, Martinez, etc.

It’s a no brainer that this staff is better than one who had literal bag men coaching certain positions and Chris Weinke coaching QB’s

Yeah, I think Garner, Martinez and Heupel as HC are no-brainer upgrades. The others we might be able to go back and forth on a little.

I don’t know - I think we’ve overcorrected on how we think about the last staff because of how it ended.

The problem to me - and it’s been this way since 2016 - is that the roster has not been very good.

 

[Vols2DaWall]

Florida ran for 245 against Bama. What do we hold them to?

 

[Bassmaster_Vol]

MY EYES!

Of course you say this...you are definitely looking for an argument.

There’s no question he is. He’s already deemed Heup a failure. He thinks he’s slick

 

[Christian Lowe]

I mean...maybe I'm just being overly optimistic. But hell far we've only had 1 team out of 3 score a freaking TD on us, and had we played a cleaner game with less mistakes we'd be undefeated. The lose came down to the team itself making mistakes, Pitt didn't really beat them or out talent them.

I'm very happy with where the defense is, I was most worried about that side of the ball. I had higher hopes for the QB play but it's better than what we got from JG and previous staffs. I like what Hooker has done. A OL that can't hold protection I don't see a real negative in a QB who can run and also is highly accurate and fast getting it out of his hands to WRs quickly.

Much rather see Velus Jones, Hyatt, Calloway, Tillman or Payton, etc. make a guy miss and go for 50 off a 3 yard slant than them getting over thrown by 5 yards or more on deep balls 50 yards down field.

That team just lost to the MAC ATTACK conference and the other two were high schools

 

[Christian Lowe]

Florida ran for 245 against Bama. What do we hold them to?

About tree fiddy

 

[Kingston Vol]

I mean...maybe I'm just being overly optimistic. But hell far we've only had 1 team out of 3 score a freaking TD on us, and had we played a cleaner game with less mistakes we'd be undefeated. The lose came down to the team itself making mistakes, Pitt didn't really beat them or out talent them.

I'm very happy with where the defense is, I was most worried about that side of the ball. I had higher hopes for the QB play but it's better than what we got from JG and previous staffs. I like what Hooker has done. A OL that can't hold protection I don't see a real negative in a QB who can run and also is highly accurate and fast getting it out of his hands to WRs quickly.

Much rather see Velus Jones, Hyatt, Calloway, Tillman or Payton, etc. make a guy miss and go for 50 off a 3 yard slant than them getting over thrown by 5 yards or more on deep balls 50 yards down field.

The defense, especially the defensive line, has been much better than I expected. However, we have yet to play a good offense.

I think Western Michigan showed us what Pitt is - and we don’t even need to have a discussion about TTU or BG.

 

[Bassmaster_Vol]

The defense, especially the defensive line, has been much better than I expected. However, we have yet to play a good offense.

I think Western Michigan showed us what Pitt is - and we don’t even need to have a discussion about TTU or BG.

Fresno showed us what UCLA really is too

 

[Jimmy Football]

Florida ran for 245 against Bama. What do we hold them to?

“One dollar, Bob.”

 

[OGbabyaviVol]

I am not saying you are wrong - you very well could be right. But what evidence do you have to suggest this coaching staff is better than the last?

Again, I am not flaming, trolling or looking for an argument. I just want to know what you see.

The evidence is already showing on the field. It’s about as blatantly obvious as the SEC officials trying to screw any team that plays Bama and Tennessee against anybody.

 

[Vols2DaWall]

Heup sounds like he’s been doing a lot of yelling

He’s not seemed happy with the team. Lot of references to the 48 hours before Pitt. Not sure what that was referring to

 

[Vols4us]

Wait for beast to give us practice reports from Tues/Wed on the QB. Sort of between and betwixt at that position now and possible even after the UF game subject to Heup's commitment to the existing scheme or willingness to modify for Hooker. .

 

[Smokeytom]

Coaches lie all the time dude

About sending it in vs your biggest rivals, when your team is about as healthy as they could be all season?

 

[VolsAgainstTheWorld15]

Very interesting indeed.

It seems like the heart takes over for most on Saturdays (after the game).

This game will not be close, it shouldn’t be close, and has no bearing on Josh Heupel’s future. The one caveat I’ll say to that is if we continue to get useless penalties.

I don't agree with many of your takes, but this one is spot on. The players and coaches need to go into every game with the expectation of winning. Us fans, though, need to be realistic and not go into this one expecting to compete let alone win.

 

[TrippieRedd]

Since we always play ****** at noon, I’m chalking up the Missouri game as a Loss

 

[Chuckie]

We haven’t played any SEC schools and our games have been at noon.. it will look a lot different at Neyland once we get into the SEC schedule

If we come into the SC game 0-2 in the SEC, I don't think attendance will look much different.

 

[MoCo_Vol]

Yeah, I think Garner, Martinez and Heupel as HC are no-brainer upgrades. The others we might be able to go back and forth on a little.

I don’t know - I think we’ve overcorrected on how we think about the last staff because of how it ended.

The problem to me - and it’s been this way since 2016 - is that the roster has not been very good.

Pruitt's last year, that staff I don't think there's anyone you can really go back and forth on except Jay at RB coach....but I really like Mack and the growth in Wright vs BG to TTU has been really impressive.

Tee was a huge disappointment to me during his tenure...at every group he was coaching. I think the jury may still be out on Burns, but the WRs are getting better separation this year just lack of deep ball accuracy from QBs so far.

What BJM & Ekeler have done with the LBs has been pretty amazing to me. Losing some of our highest recruited LBs and they've still managed to get that group playing well. And we've still not seen Willis yet (who may be the most talented of the LBs).

TEs is hands down Alex, the TE group (Warren & Fant) have already surpassed last year's numbers in just 3 games. Hauling in 15 catches for 129 & 2 TDs vs last year Fant 12 catches for 103 and 1 TD (no other TE had any catches).

 

[BigSteve09]

Hey you whiskey snobs, is michters small batch bourbon good?

lol yes