Coronavirus (No politics)

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HuntlandVolinColo said:
I had a guy at work get it after his first shot too but it wasn't so bad for him.

Right now I believe Mizzou and Arky are hot spots for the virus. LA county just made face diapers mandatory again in public places.

Surprisingly, the Active Duty Military only have 70% vaccination rate.

I still view it as a personal choice and respect those that don't get it. I think more will get vaccinated now that FDA have fully approved Pfizer and Moderna vaccines (as opposed to just temporary emergency approval).
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Seems like most folks have taken a strong position and will call fake news, lies, or conspiracy as new information becomes available.
 
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bamawriter said:
1000 deaths from the Covid vaccine? I'd appreciate a link to that.
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Off by a little bit...and the one a till most susceptible to death are the elderly.... money says if you drop a flu virus in nursing home..many will die...just new york and Michigan governors did...so again...why should anyone between 18 and 22 worry about a vax that doesnt stop them from contracting or passing on covid???


CDC: 4,115 Fully Vaccinated Have Been Hospitalized Or Died With Breakthrough Covid-19 Infections
 
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Volinlife said:
So almost half are? 😂😂😂😂😂
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Imagine there are 100 people who live in England; 90 vaccinated (90% of people over 50 in the UK are fully vaccinated) and 10 unvaccinated.

Now say 5 vaxxed people get an infection and 5 unvaxxed get infected. At first glance, these two groups look equal.

But for infections…
Vaxxed = 5/90 = 6%
Unvaxxed = 5/10 = 50%
 
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Please do not take the media at face value. Everyone do their own investigating including CDC stats ( which can be hard to understand). I think it is a personal choice and either choice shouldn’t be ridiculed. If you take the vaccine you can feel safe around the unvaccinated, and if you don’t get it, you should feel comfortable with your choice. I personally get an uneasy feeling when states and corporations offer incentives up to $1M lottery money trying to get folks to take it.
 
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bamawriter said:
Not true. Lost a starting o-lineman for a game. Lost some backups a couple of other times. Had various coaches out for Kentucky, Auburn (including Saban), LSU, and Arkansas.

Butch Jones had to fill in as RB coach for 2 games, so I challenge you to show me another program that was as negatively affected.
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Get a life….
 
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whodeycin85 said:
Off by a little bit...and the one a till most susceptible to death are the elderly.... money says if you drop a flu virus in nursing home..many will die...just new york and Michigan governors did...so again...why should anyone between 18 and 22 worry about a vax that doesnt stop them from contracting or passing on covid???


CDC: 4,115 Fully Vaccinated Have Been Hospitalized Or Died With Breakthrough Covid-19 Infections
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So, no matter how effective they might be unless a vaccination is 100% effective (meaning zero vaccines so far developed by man), a young person shouldn't "worry about it?"

But, on the subject of younger people, an interesting study of the UK was linked on the poli board. 23 Brits under the age of 50 have died of the delta variant. 21 of those 23 were unvaccinated. To say that young people simply shouldn't worry is naive.
 
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a vol n tears said:
Please do not take the media at face value. Everyone do their own investigating including CDC stats ( which can be hard to understand). I think it is a personal choice and either choice shouldn’t be ridiculed. If you take the vaccine you can feel safe around the unvaccinated, and if you don’t get it, you should feel comfortable with your choice. I personally get an uneasy feeling when states and corporations offer incentives up to $1M lottery money trying to get folks to take it.
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I don't understand the drama about the vaccine on face value.

The Trump family got it, the Biden family got it, and many, many high profile people + hundreds of millions others worldwide have taken the vaccine.

If it does nothing, big whoop. You got a shot.
If it helps stem a pandemic, good.

There have been hundreds of millions of doses given...... if there were half a million deaths or something from it, it would not be something that could be hidden. It would be a MASSIVE click draw ($$$$$) for the media but it's not there.

No drama. Just take the shot. If it helps, fine. If it's useless, fine. Who cares?
 
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VolunteerHillbilly said:
still, 40% fail rate is too dam high. honestly, the only reason I went ahead and got it was a combination of the videos coming out of India in April/May coupled with the repeated assurances that if you got the vac you would not wind up in the hospital or die from covid. Looks like that was bullshite.
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That's a 40% rate of people who haven't had two doses. I made the same mistake
 
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bamawriter said:
So, no matter how effective they might be unless a vaccination is 100% effective (meaning zero vaccines so far developed by man), a young person shouldn't "worry about it?"

But, on the subject of younger people, an interesting study of the UK was linked on the poli board. 23 Brits under the age of 50 have died of the delta variant. 21 of those 23 were unvaccinated. To say that young people simply shouldn't worry is naive.
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The flu vax was created and tested over 28 years before it was approved to be given... in response to the 1918 flu pandemic that killed 675000 americans... so why take an experimental vax... when a similar vax took 28 years for a similar death toll... you have no idea the effects long term of this vax... so far for a vax that supposed to help.. its not.. and it's adding side effects that are dangerous.. again.. risk doesn't out weight the reward... for some one who isn't at risk..ie elderly or underlying conditions
 
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Unimane said:
Plenty of folks not in those areas to justify getting the vaccine, though. The problem is people seek out information which they feel confirms their predetermined position on the matter and the politicization of the vaccine has accelerated this process. Thus, they point out certain articles or supposed facts which they feel back up their beliefs and ignore those which don't. But, it's simply better to look at the overwhelming support for this from the medical community and try to avoid the noise. Sure, they could be wrong, but the likelihood is not high, subject to peer review and there will always be a small number of exceptions in the medical field for anything anyway.

But, I do feel your concern about trusting government officials with interests in mind, but I think most, in my experience, are fairly dedicated to their work. It certainly isn't unreasonable to want to trust something beyond those folks, though, and, fortunately, there are.
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I read articles from all sides, not just the ones that I happen to agree with. I think most politicians are dedicated to getting re-elected more than anything else. I don’t see any other profession that some of these life long public servants could possibly become millionaires or relevant.
 
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As I said elsewhere, I just don't get the drama.

Seriously, hundreds of millions of COVID vaccine doses have been given worldwide...... if there were serious, widespread terrible side effects or deaths or whatever, this would be MAJOR DOLLARS for the media.

It's not there. If it were there, nothing, absolutely nothing could keep this story out of the news because it would be worth millions in clicks and eyeballs.......

Get the damn shot. If it's worthless, meh. If it helps stop the spread of COVID, good.

But damn, does it deserve all this drama?
 
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CINCYVOL said:
I can’t find it in myself to trust the govt. elected and acronym appointed officials included.
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Trust the ruthless, cares about nothing but the money media, then....... where's the story?

After hundreds of millions of doses worldwide, where's the big story of how this vaccine is killing, maiming, injuring a bunch of people?

It's not there. So, just detach from the drama and get the shots. If it does nothing, meh..... you wasted few hours at the most.

If it helps, it helps.

But seriously, why all the drama?
 
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I hate to call Vol fans the P word, but when it comes to the vaccine I see two arguments against it:

One...... I am afraid it will hurt me. There's zero evidence when it would make millions and millions of dollars for the right and the left news media if it did hurt a significant amount of people and could rooted out somewhere by the media. Multi million doses given worldwide...... but no credible evidence...... and that evidence would be THE story of the century if it were there. It would not be covered up.

Two, the man wants to control me by making me take a shot. Seriously? The man is spending the kinda money manufacturing a worldwide pandemic just to control you? Really? That's plausible to you?

I just don't get it. Why all the drama? It's a coupla sticks to your arm...... if it's useless, meh, if it helps, yeah!

When did VN turn into a bunch of p**sys?
 
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bamawriter said:
You are exponentially less likely to contract it or transmit it if vaccinated. If the standard for vaccine must be 100% efficacy, then we should stop giving out every single one and just let the diseases come back.
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Tell that to NC State who had 4 of 11 players get it despite having full vaccinations. That’s not much better than my house, which was hit with COVID in November where only 3 put of 5 got it. With a special needs child there was no way to quarantine so I just assumed we would all get it but that didn’t happen. Yes, it’s small numbers but I’ve seen quite a few families that were hit prior to the vax and roughly only 2 in 3 people or so got the virus.
 
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Good God...I've never seen so much lunacy on a single thread on the forum. The discussion is about forfeiting football games.
I'm of the opinion that the answer is simple:
On Game day...you field a team, or you forfeit. PERIOD.
If the "solution" is any more complicated than that...CANCEL THE ENTIRE SEASON.
 
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bamawriter said:
None of those is the mRNA vaccine.
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right, for the 3rd 4th 5th god knows how many times stated

he did not invent the mRNA vaccines just the platform for which they are built on.
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There is nothing wrong with sheep like you believing "fact checkers" that use Artificial Intelligence to try to smear the truth. LOL If I had the "qualifications" logically.ai I would probably try to find something intelligent to do my job to. LOL

Keep following people like the surgeon general who last year could not make up his mind if masks work and "Doctor" Anthony Fauci who never lied about anything he was just "taken out of context"

Nope nothing wrong with that at all.

COVID the disease so deadly it needs a huge marketing campaign war to win the minds of the public that it is deadly.
 
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utvols83 said:
I'm guessing it's the Oxford vaccine after looking at some of the data. This graphic shows some data comparing the efficacy of the Oxford vaccine and the Pfizer vaccine against the Alpha and Delta variants. The Moderna vaccine seems to be comparable to the Pfizer vaccine in all the data I have seen.
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I saw a chart that showed 17m moderna, 100m AZ, 100m pfizer, others 250m. UK is about half way through vaccination. Like much of the world.
These are the doses that have been ordered. I don't know what has been delivered. I suspect the majority is AZ since that is what we initially heard about from the UK.
 
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VolMarine1371 said:
But if I know two people personally that died due from getting the shot, then how many people are out there like me that may know someone. 1,000 people dying isn’t a lot when you compare it to the amount of people that is in the United States or the World.
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And how do you know their deaths was caused by the vaccine? Their have been 0ver 600,000 dates from the virus in people who did not get the vaccine. I will take 2 versus 600,000 every day.
 
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bamawriter said:
It's not a database compiled by the government. Your link is a really bad source, as @mercuryvol noted above.
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That doesn’t mean that bad things aren’t happening after the shots. It’s a small percentage but some people are having terrible side effects and I’m sure that includes death. I don’t personally know of anyone that has died but I do know of someone who easily could have and spent weeks in the hospital.
 
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