Coronavirus (No politics)

[bamawriter]

I will say this and my daughters are nurses. A lot of death certificates listed COVID because the government paid the hospitals directly for that illness with the pandemic funds. So people would go in with pneumonia, cirrhosis or a heart problem but be counted as a COVID death.

Pretty much anything short of a gunshot wound (but if victim was covid positive, they could count it, lol). Once someone passes, the virus dies within a few hours so it is hard to prove they didn't have virus.

So you're saying that the hospital counted a Covid death without a postive Covid test? That is fraud, and not only should anyone who participated or knew about it lose their license to practice, they should go to prison.

 

[secking]

It's not a database compiled by the government. Your link is a really bad source, as @mercuryvol noted above.

Here is the actual CDC report. Did 6,000 die FROM the vaccine? NO
Did 600,000 die FROM Covid? NO
With Covid? Sadly yes.

Vaccines do pose adverse risks, always have but the #s are very minuscule. Someone’s chances of getting struck by lightning is greater than dying from the vaccine.

If you read this report, they have verified myocarditis, now up to 1,200. Again a small #, but transparency is key. Might have played a role in the 13 yr old‘s death from Michigan unfortunately.

COVID-19 Vaccination

 

[99gator]

I will say this and my daughters are nurses. A lot of death certificates listed COVID because the government paid the hospitals directly for that illness with the pandemic funds. So people would go in with pneumonia, cirrhosis or a heart problem but be counted as a COVID death.

Pretty much anything short of a gunshot wound (but if victim was covid positive, they could count it, lol). Once someone passes, the virus dies within a few hours so it is hard to prove they didn't have virus.

My wife is a nurse and this is part of my issue.

Another issue is I have multiple friends in Florida who went to different sites to get tested for COVID, the line was too long and they left. They received phone calls telling them they were positive and they never tested. The fact that I know three people in three cities in Florida that this happened to (who I trust implicitly), it can't be a coincidence.

 

[Jackcrevol]

Wow…that’s kind of a party two-fer.
A clown S&M ?
Entertain the kiddies for a while in the back yard…then the adults in the dungeon basement.

Too Gacy for me. I effing hate clowns.

A full grown woman used to come into store in full clown regalia. She was always smiling, which if it were real would have been fine. She'd get mad and demand to be helped then start smiling again. Annnd for that reason im out.

 

[Orangeredblooded]

Here's @InVOLuntary wearing his mask.

Shame on you for picking on InVol after he’s obviously already went to bed after the 4 o’clock special at the local club.

 

[Jackcrevol]

Shame on you for picking on InVol after he’s obviously already went to bed after the 4 o’clock special at the local club.

S & M club?

 

[Weezer]

Shame on you for picking on InVol after he’s obviously already went to bed after the 4 o’clock special at the local club.

That was him leaving "the club".

 

[tnvols72]

It’s a government ran database and you requested a link. It’s quite obvious you believe your opinion and your research is the truth. That’s fine with me. I was just providing a link. Have a great night.

No he believes what he has been told to believe. People likes to pick and choose who to believe and ever who is telling them what they want to hear is who they roll with.

 

[bamawriter]

No he believes what he has been told to believe. People likes to pick and choose who to believe and ever who is telling them what they want to hear is who they roll with.

How's it going, kettle? I'm pot.

 

[HuntlandVolinColo]

I read today that Arkansas was 80% vaccinated.

I'm betting, that would be the Football Team, not the state.

 

[J C Higgins]

The cause and number of deaths in the US is recorded every year and there is very little fluctuation from year to year in the number that die or that die from any specific cause (like cardiovascular disease, accidents, etc)

I don't know the statistics for the entire year but from Jan. 26 through Oct. 3 of 2020, the United States had 299,000 more deaths than the typical number during the same period in previous years. There were moderately more deaths in that time frame from drug overdoses but the overwhelming percentage were related to COVID. No other way to explain it. Thats not medical science or politics. That's statistics.

US deaths normally change less than 2% each year; in 2020, they rose nearly 23%

 

[SmokinBob]

Truth is almost everyone who wanted to get the vaccine has already gotten theirs. There's going to be millions who won't get it, and that's their own personal choice to make. It's time to live life like normal and not worry what others do. If those that are unvaccinated die from Covid, so be it. I'm moving on without a mask, never wearing it again.

 

[Volinlife]

Which isn't true. 60% are unvaccinated.

So almost half are?

 

[Volinlife]

The vaccine introduces your immune system to a strain of the virus so your body can better fight it, not prevent you from contracting it. Without getting too political, either side can easily skew arguments in their favor by focusing on certain statistics. I’m just glad the nationwide wide infection rate has dramatically decreased in the past 4-6 months and know it didn’t happen by accident.

Don't attribute it all to an experimental vaccine. You have natural immunity. You also have a sweeping change in testing thresholds (quite convenient, but we won't get political) which itself dropped the rate of infection before any vaccine had a chance to have any impact on the numbers

 

[VolGee4]

still, 40% fail rate is too dam high. honestly, the only reason I went ahead and got it was a combination of the videos coming out of India in April/May coupled with the repeated assurances that if you got the vac you would not wind up in the hospital or die from covid. Looks like that was bullshite.

It was not. Just like the flu, the vaccine is not a guarantee. But you are far less likely to be hospitalized if you get it.

 

[volinthenorth]

No need in the name calling. People are entitled to say and believe whatever they wish, just as you are rather right or wrong.

You are right. Let's assume that others have thought this out in a rational and meaningful way that makes sense to them, and respect their right to believe it without mocking them.

 

[reecetn]

In reference to the vaccine.

[O]ne of my concerns are that the government is not being transparent with us about what those risks are. And so, I'm of the opinion that people have the right to decide whether to accept a vaccine or not, especially since these are experimental vaccines.

 

[bamawriter]

In reference to the vaccine.

[O]ne of my concerns are that the government is not being transparent with us about what those risks are. And so, I'm of the opinion that people have the right to decide whether to accept a vaccine or not, especially since these are experimental vaccines.

I agree with your last sentence.

I'm not sure about the rest. The government flipped out and recommended a pause of the J&J vaccine because of blood clots that had shown up in fewer than 1 in a million vaccine recipients. That's too few to even remotely establish a causal relationship. I'm not sure the government isn't being too paranoid.

 

[S.C. OrangeMan]

The polio vaccine doesn't guarantee protection, but it managed to wipe out the disease in the developed world.

Polio vs Covid = False Equivalence

 

[bamawriter]

Polio vs Covid = False Equivalence

The discussion was about what qualifies as a vaccine. Pick any illness for which we have a vaccine and the facts remain the same.

 

[VOLINVONORE]

There's scientific data that says conspiracy theorists are causing Covid deaths? I bet there isn't.

You would lose your bet.

 

[reecetn]

I agree with your last sentence.

I'm not sure about the rest. The government flipped out and recommended a pause of the J&J vaccine because of blood clots that had shown up in fewer than 1 in a million vaccine recipients. That's too few to even remotely establish a causal relationship. I'm not sure the government isn't being too paranoid.

That was a direct quote from Dr. Robert Malone

The inventor of mRNA vaccines and RNA transfection, Dr. Malone has extensive research and development experience in the areas of pre-clinical discovery research, clinical trials, vaccines, gene therapy, bio-defense, and immunology.

Sorry I thought I cited it in the original post.

on a side note. He was banned from YouTube for sharing his concerns. I think YouTube's ignorance should be a side lesson from this knowledge.

 

[bamawriter]

That was a direct quote from Dr. Robert Malone

The inventor of mRNA vaccines and RNA transfection, Dr. Malone has extensive research and development experience in the areas of pre-clinical discovery research, clinical trials, vaccines, gene therapy, bio-defense, and immunology.

Sorry I thought I cited it in the original post.

on a side note. He was banned from YouTube for sharing his concerns. I think YouTube's ignorance should be a side lesson from this knowledge.

False: Dr. Robert Malone invented mRNA vaccines.

While Malone has contributed significant research in the field, he has lied when he allowed himself to be marketed as "inventing" the vaccine.

 

[joevol33]

Wrong. If the conspiracy theorists and tin foil cap wearing fools would’ve got the vaccine months ago we wouldn’t be back in this mess. And the longer this goes on with so many still unvaccinated in this country it gives this virus more time to further mutate into more severe strains ones that could completely render the vaccines useless. I expect this to continue into 2024 probaly and it shouldn’t have to.

To be fair, some of you should realize not everyone is a conspiracy theory nut. I'm not a trumper, not a republican, but not getting it now. I'm not anti vax either, I'm just not comfortable with it yet. That's me, my wife has health issues, and was told by 3 Drs not to take the vaccine because of her immune system. I know several people who have been told that, and I know someone older who had a very bad reaction, and ended up in ICU. As crazy as people are for believing it's all fake, it's just as crazy for people to automatically jump to "you conspiracy theory Trumpers" when someone hasn't taken it. Jmo

 

[peaygolf]

Over the years, I’ve come to realize that with the right to think and speak freely also comes the right to be stupid. It is unfortunate that you cannot have one without the other, but that is far better than the alternative.