To Protect and to Serve II

[Rickyvol77]

But if they do that, then they can't get that adrenalin rush and play cops and robbers on the taxpayer's dime.

Do you really not think the officer wanted her to just pull over? I can promise you that officer didn't want the paperwork and hassle of what occurred to occur.

 

[DEFENDTHISHOUSE]

I am sure interested in hearing your expertise on "how to pursue someone" without chasing them, especially in a vehicle with no identifiers lol

Oh I don’t know…. Keys radio “white ford sedan with missing license plate headed east bound on highway whatever, any other units available for response?”

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

but you keep stating "it was no license plate" without recognizing that several similar incidents which the police do the exact same thing lead to arresting felons all the time, some in stolen cars, some simply with drugs, some that just were experience a medical issue, but it doesn't change the fact that the officer was following the law and the suspect is the one who escalated it to violence

Everything the cop did was legal.

But just because it is legal, that doesn't mean it was justified.

Do you understand the difference?

 

[VolStrom]

How is it boredom over writing speeding tickets if the officer was trying to WRITE a ticket lol

And i am guessing you haven't been to many domestic disputes because "boredom" is not what officers feel on them

You honestly don't get what pretty much everyone else is telling you about this killing do you? There was no reason to get into a chase and shoot someone in the head over a missing license plate. I don't care what they MIGHT have done, the officer had no clue other than they had no plate. If they take off maybe turn the lights and siren on for a bit and then give it up. This wasn't a crime worthy of killing someone other than the officer incited it.

 

[Rickyvol77]

Oh I don’t know…. Keys radio “white ford sedan with missing license plate headed east bound on highway whatever, any other units available for response?”

So what would've been a different result? Other officers attempt to pursue her as they did, do the spike strips (which i hate those BTW) as they did, and it ends the same way

 

[Rickyvol77]

Everything the cop did was legal.

But just because it is legal, that doesn't mean it was justified.

Do you understand the difference?

it was justified as well. You can argue how long and much to pursue over the missing license plate, I think there is some differing and vary of opinions there...but the shooting is 100% justified and legal both

 

[Rickyvol77]

You honestly don't get what pretty much everyone else is telling you about this killing do you? There was no reason to get into a chase and shoot someone in the head over a missing license plate. I don't care what they MIGHT have done, the officer had no clue other than they had no plate. If they take off maybe turn the lights and siren on for a bit and then give it up. This wasn't a crime worthy of killing someone other than the officer incited it.

he didn't shoot her over the license plate, he shot at her because she tried to kill him.

 

[VolStrom]

he didn't shoot her over the license plate, he shot at her because she tried to kill him.

Which HE could have avoided by not getting into a pursuit over a missing license plate. See where this goes? It leads back to the officer being a douche bag and letting his adrenaline kill another person.

 

[DEFENDTHISHOUSE]

So what would've been a different result? Other officers attempt to pursue her as they did, do the spike strips (which i hate those BTW) as they did, and it ends the same way

We will never know, will we? One thing is for certain, everything doesn’t warrant a high speed chase. It’s far too dangerous for the public. I’d rather have a hardened criminal get away from the cops, than have one innocent person harmed by a high speed chase through public roadways. The roads are dangerous enough as is.

 

[Orangeslice13]

Again, was this worthy of a high speed chase? If that's the case, we can justify a high speed chase for jaywalking.

If they can run fast enough.

 

[Rickyvol77]

Which HE could have avoided by not getting into a pursuit over a missing license plate. See where this goes? It leads back to the officer being a douche bag and letting his adrenaline kill another person.

he was doing his job, whether you agree or disagree with his decision making, he didn't do anything illegal, immoral, or unjustified.
That doesn't make him a "douchebag" because a criminal decided to run from him and he pursued them. This woman has a long history of criminal behavior for a reason, and it has nothing to do with the police.

His adrenaline didn't kill anyone. A criminal tried to kill him and he shot to end the threat posed to him, which is why there will be no charges or punishment.
It's really not that hard a concept to grasp

 

[Rickyvol77]

We will never know, will we? One thing is for certain, everything doesn’t warrant a high speed chase. It’s far too dangerous for the public. I’d rather have a hardened criminal get away from the cops, than have one innocent person harmed by a high speed chase through public roadways. The roads are dangerous enough as is.

I somewhat agree but not one innocent person was harmed during this incident

 

[MercyPercy]

but you keep stating "it was no license plate" without recognizing that several similar incidents which the police do the exact same thing lead to arresting felons all the time, some in stolen cars, some simply with drugs, some that just were experience a medical issue, but it doesn't change the fact that the officer was following the law and the suspect is the one who escalated it to violence

So because cops get lucky sometimes when they pull people over (and I guess engage in dangerous high speed pursuits?) for trivial nonsense, and find someone who is actually doing something really bad, that excuses the whole practice? Seems like lazy and ****** policework to me. If I pull over x number of people for minor traffic offenses, maybe I'll get one child trafficker!

How about doing some actual police work and imvestigate child trafficking instead of hoping and praying for something to fall in your lap while trying to meet a quota and leave regular folks minding their own business alone.

 

[DEFENDTHISHOUSE]

So because cops get lucky sometimes when they pull people over (and I guess engage in dangerous high speed pursuits?) for trivial nonsense, and find someone who is actually doing something really bad, that excuses the whole practice? Seems like lazy and ****** policework to me. If I pull over x number of people for minor traffic offenses, maybe I'll get one child trafficker!

How about doing some actual police work and imvestigate child trafficking instead of hoping and praying for something to fall in your lap while trying to meet a quota and leave regular folks minding their own business alone.

 

[VolStrom]

he was doing his job, whether you agree or disagree with his decision making, he didn't do anything illegal, immoral, or unjustified.
That doesn't make him a "douchebag" because a criminal decided to run from him and he pursued them. This woman has a long history of criminal behavior for a reason, and it has nothing to do with the police.

His adrenaline didn't kill anyone. A criminal tried to kill him and he shot to end the threat posed to him, which is why there will be no charges or punishment.
It's really not that hard a concept to grasp

You are what is wrong in society right now from the law enforcement side. I'm sorry but you have zero defense of this officer killing a woman but in your mind he was perfectly allowed to kill a person. I'm about as conservative as people come but I would never defend this killing.

 

[Rickyvol77]

So because cops get lucky sometimes when they pull people over (and I guess engage in dangerous high speed pursuits?) for trivial nonsense, and find someone who is actually doing something really bad, that excuses the whole practice? Seems like lazy and ****** policework to me. If I pull over x number of people for minor traffic offenses, maybe I'll get one child trafficker!

How about doing some actual police work and imvestigate child trafficking instead of hoping and praying for something to fall in your lap while trying to meet a quota and leave regular folks minding their own business alone.

So you are against police pulling over people for traffic/moving violations at all?

 

[Rickyvol77]

You are what is wrong in society right now from the law enforcement side. I'm sorry but you have zero defense of this officer killing a woman but in your mind he was perfectly allowed to kill a person. I'm about as conservative as people come but I would never defend this killing.

Well it’s ok to be wrong. I believe in self defense and not getting killed by a criminal.

 

[Rickyvol77]

KPD and KCSO have had 5 calls this week where an armed and barricaded suspect was threatening to kill them. And they didn’t shoot anyone. Weird for a bunch of adrenaline junkie steroided itchy trigger finger cowboys looking to kill someone right? But you always focus on the .00000001% of police encounters that they have to shoot as the “problem”. Even if it’s justified and a legal shooting

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

So you are against police pulling over people for traffic/moving violations at all?

You still don't get it. Its a matter of discernment and good judgement. Every situation doesn't require immediate action. Just because someone has no plates, that isn't probable cause of them being a car thief or a child trafficker (I would wager that most of them just couldn't afford plates). And even if they were, is it wise to endanger other people on the road by launching into a high speed chase?

 

[Rickyvol77]

You still don't get it. Its a matter of discernment and good judgement. Every situation doesn't require immediate action. Just because someone has no plates, that isn't probable cause of them being a car thief or a child trafficker (I would wager that most of them just couldn't afford plates). And even if they were, is it wise to endanger other people on the road by launching into a high speed chase?

And I said I agree that every situation is different but that officer likely did something similar or opposite on thousands of calls. Each one is a crapshoot. Fleeing and fighting and someone attempting to kill you can happen on any call or no call. It’s easy to 2nd guess split decision making after the fact, but the shooting happened solely because the suspect chose to run and then tried to kill an officer. Those were her choices 100%

 

[InVOLuntary]

I watched the whole event, raw video. Most of the chase was in rural area where the public was at little risk. I watched the shooting scene several times and thought both the cop and the girl were shocked at the encounter. I'm not convinced she veered at him as has been portrayed. It was a tight squeeze between the two trucks with the cop in there too. At the time I was thinking to myself that I wasn't sure that was necessary. I mean she didn't hit him. Would she have hit him had he not fired? I'm not sure him shooting her had that much affect on the path of the vehicle.

What bothered me even more was his lack of emotion after the shooting. I would have expected him to either be upset or angry that he had to shoot her. I've never been in that position so I'll refrain from passing judgement.

When things like this happen, I try to look back on who lit the fuse. The women obviously started the whole chain of events that caused the whole thing to go down. I do agree with Ras, as I think it was 100% legal what he did. Im.just not 100% convinced lethal force was needed. I don't think him shooting her change whether or not he was killed or injured. These things happen I a split second so it's hard for me to put myself in his shoes.

 

[Orangeslice13]

I watched the whole event, raw video. Most of the chase was in rural area where the public was at little risk. I watched the shooting scene several times and thought both the cop and the girl were shocked at the encounter. I'm not convinced she veered at him as has been portrayed. It was a tight squeeze between the two trucks with the cop in there too. At the time I was thinking to myself that I wasn't sure that was necessary. I mean she didn't hit him. Would she have hit him had he not fired? I'm not sure him shooting her had that much affect on the path of the vehicle.

What bothered me even more was his lack of emotion after the shooting. I would have expected him to either be upset or angry that he had to shoot her. I've never been in that position so I'll refrain from passing judgement.

When things like this happen, I try to look back on who lit the fuse. The women obviously started the whole chain of events that caused the whole thing to go down. I do agree with Ras, as I think it was 100% legal what he did. Im.just not 100% convinced lethal force was needed. I don't think him shooting her change whether or not he was killed or injured. These things happen I a split second so it's hard for me to put myself in his shoes.

Fair assessment
His reaction does seem…….odd
I know a couple of guys from the gun range when they talk about self defense it’s almost like they want someone to try and break into their house so they can shoot them. That mentality puzzles me. I’ve had to grab a gun from the safe twice in 32 years of marriage because I thought someone was breaking in. Both times I was thinking the exact opposite and was actually in prayer “Lord let this be nothing.”

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

Fair assessment
His reaction does seem…….odd
I know a couple of guys from the gun range when they talk about self defense it’s almost like they want someone to try and break into their house so they can shoot them. That mentality puzzles me. I’ve had to grab a gun from the safe twice in 32 years of marriage because I thought someone was breaking in. Both times I was thinking the exact opposite and was actually in prayer “Lord let this be nothing.”

Doesn't it concern you that the first thing that is said after something like this is that "It was legal"?

 

[Orangeslice13]

Doesn't it concern you that the first thing that is said after something like this is that "It was legal"?

It was legal. And yes there should be independent oversight. End QI. And on and on.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

It was legal. And yes there should be independent oversight. End QI. And on and on.

Oh I agree, it was "legal".