Arizona Election Audit

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ClearwaterVol said:
My point being that I mistyped.
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Actually it is not. The Arizona GOP is arguing Cyber Ninja has no duty to safeguard the privacy of Arizona votes and doesn't need to comply with state law regarding recounts audits.

Okay, I fixed your typo. Are the voters' privacy in arizona at risk in an audit? If not, are safeguards necessary? What are the state laws which govern an audit? Are those the laws which govern a recount? Does an audit have the same teeth as a recount?
 
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ClearwaterVol said:
They are arguing they have no duty to comply with anything. WTF is so complicated about this?
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I asked what are they not complying with. Apparently you can't answer that specific question. Truth is they are doing what the Arizona State Senate has asked them to do. Can anybody tell me who is in charge of making state laws etc.
 
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Septic said:
No, I get it. You're ginning up a slight where non existed because you feel the need to let everyone know that it's not "fair" that the treaty wasn't touted as "epic."

No need to explain, I understand precisely what you were implying. Thanks for the clarification, nonetheless.
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I'm ginning nothing, it's a valid point. Dispute it if you wish. I'm perfectly fine with pointing out the hypocrisy on the right as well.
 
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hog88 said:
No **** they have an agenda, how long did it take for you to figure that out Sherlock?
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Your buddy @VolinWayne, argued in post #338 to this thread that:

"This is the most thorough and transparent audit ever done."

... and he also said that:

"This audit is how all audits should be done."
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
If you want someone to take your audit seriously... you don't choose a firm who is so obviously biased. Not only is Doug Logan biased... his bias is the reason his firm was chosen.
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I would be interested in seeing a survey of the percentage of people who take any of this **** seriously.
 
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KB5252 said:
I'm ginning nothing, it's a valid point. Dispute it if you wish. I'm perfectly fine with pointing out the hypocrisy on the right as well.
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The very fact that you're having to point out your assumption of what you believed would happen is the very essence of "ginning up" outrage.

You've taken something that objectively didn't happen, applied your feelings as if it had and called it "hypocrisy."

You do get why this is not a solid argument and why I'm making fun of the victim status you're seeking, right?
 
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McDad said:
Actually it is not. The Arizona GOP is arguing Cyber Ninja has no duty to safeguard the privacy of Arizona votes and doesn't need to comply with state law regarding recounts audits.

Okay, I fixed your typo. Are the voters' privacy in arizona at risk in an audit? If not, are safeguards necessary? What are the state laws which govern an audit? Are those the laws which govern a recount? Does an audit have the same teeth as a recount?
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You don't argue you don't need to comply with the law if you are complying.
 
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McDad said:
I would be interested in seeing a survey of the percentage of people who take any of this **** seriously.
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It bothers me how blatant it is. Republicans in Arizona are not even trying to give the appearance of legitimacy to this audit of theirs. Doug Logan was literally writing crazy a$$ Kraken Sidney Powell's propaganda for her. And now his company is in charge of auditing the same election that he has already called rigged? Are you kidding me?
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
It bothers me how blatant it is. Republicans in Arizona are not even trying to give the appearance of legitimacy to this audit of theirs. Doug Logan was literally writing crazy a$$ Kraken Sidney Powell's propaganda for her. And now his company is in charge of auditing the same election that he has already called rigged? Are you kidding me?
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I think it's funny that they think that any rational person is going to look upon the results as fair or unbiased. This is simply an exercise to keep the trumpers lathered up to feel like they were slighted. If the Arizona GOP wanted a result that was bullet proof, they'd have reached out to the Dems and together selected a mutually agreeable third party to conduct the "audit." Instead they hire the Arizona version of the Q Shaman and expect people to take it seriously.
 
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Septic said:
"Weakness areas" are apparent without an "audit"
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That's not entirely accurate. How would you quantify the effects of refusing to purge voter rolls or inaccurate data or any other issue unless you actually peel it back to see how often it occurs? As someone who deals in finance and audit processes daily, I can tell you that abnormalities aren't visible from the bottom line and are rarely visible in the P&L.

and if we're being intellectually honest - we can both recognize that this is just fodder for continuing to undermine the general election process.
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As I don't trust either party to actually do anything about it, I won't disagree here.

Just as it was when Dominion was blamed for changing votes. Just as it was in every single hollow, unprovable failed accusation of 'cheating" was levied.

Calling it an "audit" instead of a "recount" doesn't change what's going on. If you think an "audit" would still be occurring and "necessary" to find "weakness areas" if had Trump won, you're fooling yourself - this is all sour grapes.
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Perhaps an audit from the Rs wouldn't be occurring. Doesn't mean I'd be against an audit from the democrats though.
 
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Septic said:
The very fact that you're having to point out your assumption of what you believed would happen is the very essence of "ginning up" outrage.

You've taken something that objectively didn't happen, applied your feelings as if it had and called it "hypocrisy."

You do get why this is not a solid argument and why I'm making fun of the victim status you're seeking, right?
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How can I seek victim status for a party and people I don't support? Are you claiming that if a Democrat had secured this treaty it wouldn't be considered a major accomplishment and been lauded?
 
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ClearwaterVol said:
You don't argue you don't need to comply with the law if you are complying.
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This is the type of quip that sounds really great when you share them with colleagues but is utter horse manure.

You have yet to show audit and recount are the same event. You have yet to show an audit has law with which auditors need to comply.

I am looking for some honesty today. It may be too much to ask, tbh.
 
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McDad said:
This is the type of quip that sounds really great when you share them with colleagues but is utter horse manure.

You have yet to show audit and recount are the same event. You have yet to show an audit has law with which auditors need to comply.

I am looking for some honesty today. It may be too much to ask, tbh.
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Same logic, why fight an audit if nothing bad happened? Gah... Foiled.
 
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hog88 said:
You're barking up the wrong tree fella.
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You seem to have a problem with Arizona's election audit. You don't believe that their state legislation who is charged by our constitution to preside over their elections, has the right to audit or investigate it how they see fit? You're right on many things, but contradict yourself here.
 
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Did they tape up cardboard on the windows?

And do they have a hidden suitcase under a table?

Did they stop the audit at midnight and tell folks to go home. Then proceed with the audit?

Did a water pipe delay the audit?
 
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McDad said:
This is the type of quip that sounds really great when you share them with colleagues but is utter horse manure.

You have yet to show audit and recount are the same event. You have yet to show an audit has law with which auditors need to comply.

I am looking for some honesty today. It may be too much to ask, tbh.
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I mispoke regarding the GOPs argument. It was regarding an audit. I thought we had cleared that up. The constitutional rights of citizens must always be safeguarded. You guys are making this way too complicated.

The GOP is not arguing there is no law with which they need to comply. They are arguing they don't have a duty to comply with the law. And again, it is not an argument you make while complying with the law.
 
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ClearwaterVol said:
I mispoke regarding the GOPs argument. It was regarding an audit. I thought we had cleared that up. The constitutional rights of citizens must always be safeguarded. You guys are making this way too complicated.

The GOP is not arguing there is no law with which they need to comply. They are arguing they don't have a duty to comply with the law. And again, it is not an argument you make while complying with the law.
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Well forgive me in advance if I don't completely trust your version of the happenings, the implications, the laws (or lack thereof) regarding an audit. I happen to believe you got information from somewhere regarding the process of recounts and ascribed those standards to an audit.

I'm out. the small amount of gaf i had for this situation in Az expired several posts ago. Yall enjoy slinging your poo.
 
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volinbham said:
On #1 you can look at the number of mRNA vaccines approved prior to this and any number of articles describing the medical miracle that occurred.

On #2 and #3 you are exposing your lack of understanding large scale investment by businesses. Trump de-risked Pfizer throwing resources at this. He guaranteed $2 billion in revenue prior to an approved vaccine AND removed the risk of billions in product liability lawsuits. It became a no-brainer, low-risk strategic decision for Pfizer to throw massive resources at this. Germany deserves credit to for incentivizing BioNTech as well.
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You’ve really got to stop destroying the “orange man bad” trope. You’re hurting their feelings.
 
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