Arizona Election Audit

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The Trump phenomenon is something I have seen in many people that get conned. First, the theories all floated tire disproven claims of widespread voter fraud. Interestingly, these theories rested upon the belief that democrats were clever enough to steal the presidency but not the Senate. The next theory pedaled by the hardcore right was that the loss was all a plan and on January 20th Trump would arrest all the democrats (pedophiles) and assume his rightful manor as president of the United States. Well that came and went and it evolved into March 4th and their misinterpretation of the Organic Act. You know believing the US is a corporation owned by England and Trump was going to take it back over for the American people and be sworn in as the 17th president of the US. Now it's 2024. This has been a hoot of epic proportions to watch supposedly intelligent people buy into this nonsense. People who have been conned cannot admit it.


And please don't bring up the russia collusion. It pales in comparison to this nonsense.
 
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KB5252 said:
My point was if Democrats (the left) had secured this treaty it would be touted as epic. It would be considered a keystone accomplishment.

I do believe it would have been the lead story on nightly news but who watches them anyway. Everyone watches the cable networks or social media.
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No, I get it. You're ginning up a slight where non existed because you feel the need to let everyone know that it's not "fair" that the treaty wasn't touted as "epic."

No need to explain, I understand precisely what you were implying. Thanks for the clarification, nonetheless.
 
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ClearwaterVol said:
The Trump phenomenon is something I have seen in many people that get conned. First, the theories all floated tire disproven claims of widespread voter fraud. Interestingly, these theories rested upon the belief that democrats were clever enough to steal the presidency but not the Senate. The next theory pedaled by the hardcore right was that the loss was all a plan and on January 20th Trump would arrest all the democrats (pedophiles) and assume his rightful manor as president of the United States. Well that came and went and it evolved into March 4th and their misinterpretation of the Organic Act. You know believing the US is a corporation owned by England and Trump was going to take it back over for the American people and be sworn in as the 17th president of the US. Now it's 2024. This has been a hoot of epic proportions to watch supposedly intelligent people buy into this nonsense. People who have been conned cannot admit it.


And please don't bring up the russia collusion. It pales in comparison to this nonsense.
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You'll have to walk me through how a bunch of conspiracy theories held by the gullible pales in comparison to an investigation supported by the power and scope of the federal government and constantly in the media.
 
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ClearwaterVol said:
change the word to audit. I am not sure how that changes the argument.
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because audit is defined. And recount is defined. Just because you used them interchangeably doesn't necessarily mean they are.

In my vocation, Medicare can request files, review files, and audit files. Each of those mean different things in scope, severity, and possible punishment.
 
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LOL, your boi lost. Trying to keep the stolen election narrative alive is simply a product of wishful thinking mating with delusion.

You really need to come to terms with this immutable truth.

Imagine if all this wasted effort was actually put towards solving the issue of election/ ballot security instead of bitching about why mail in ballots are the devils work.
 
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McDad said:
because audit is defined. And recount is defined. Just because you used them interchangeably doesn't necessarily mean they are.

In my vocation, Medicare can request files, review files, and audit files. Each of those mean different things in scope, severity, and possible punishment.
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My point being that I mistyped.
 
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Septic said:
LOL, your boi lost. Trying to keep the stolen election narrative alive is simply a product of wishful thinking mating with delusion.

You really need to come to terms with this immutable truth.

Imagine if all this wasted effort was actually put towards solving the issue of election/ ballot security instead of bitching about why mail in ballots are the devils work.
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Isn't that answered with an audit? An audit would be able to argue weakness areas and a further dive would be able to narrow down possible fixes. Not sure anyone is arguing the result of an audit, review, etc should be Trump taking office.
 
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McDad said:
Great. Let him tell them what they want to hear. Your side, your media, your pundits can attack it and poke holes at it. You can make Arizona your bitch with all the fundraising and money poured into the state to secure the next elections for your faithful disciples. Yall can post your memes on social media mocking them. And the divide will continue to grow.
And the next time your side loses, the Righties can do the attacking and you can do the defending.
Progress. Unity. Indivisible.
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As a matter of fact, a document that Trump attorney Sidney Powell posted on her website with various provably false allegations against Dominion Voting Systems lists its author as Doug Logan - the owner of "Cyber Ninjas Inc.". Among the various claims that Doug Logan made in the document published on Sidney Powell's website, is a debunked allegation that the "core software" used by Dominion originated with and is the intellectual property of Smartmatic, and it alleges that Smartmatic was founded in Venezuela and has ties to Hugo Chavez. It further claims that Smartmatic has been involved in election rigging in Venezuela, India and the Philippines. These are all proven lies.

Now, is THIS the man who should be leading this audit in Arizona? And of all firms they could have chosen... why did Republicans in Arizona choose a firm with such close ties an attorney for the 2020 Trump Campaign? It stinks to high heaven... and I can imagine how Republicans would respond if Democrats ever pulled a lame stunt like this crap.
 
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McDad said:
You'll have to walk me through how a bunch of conspiracy theories held by the gullible pales in comparison to an investigation supported by the power and scope of the federal government and constantly in the media.
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We are talking about millions of these "pales." In fact, some of them have managed to get elected to Congress. The GOP has a significant portion of its base that is batshit crazy. In fact, trump pedaled many qanon theories.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
As a matter of fact, a document that Trump attorney Sidney Powell posted on her website with various provably false allegations against Dominion Voting Systems lists its author as Doug Logan - the owner of "Cyber Ninjas Inc.". Among the various claims that Doug Logan made in the document published on Sidney Powell's website, is a debunked allegation that the "core software" used by Dominion originated with and is the intellectual property of Smartmatic, and it alleges that Smartmatic was founded in Venezuela and has ties to Hugo Chavez. It further claims that Smartmatic has been involved in election rigging in Venezuela, India and the Philippines. These are all proven lies.

Now, is THIS the man who should be leading this audit in Arizona? And of all firms they could have chosen... why did Republicans in Arizona choose a firm with such close ties an attorney for the 2020 Trump Campaign? It stinks to high heaven... and I can imagine how Republicans would respond if Democrats ever pulled a lame stunt like this crap.
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Who's paying for the audit? That groups should get to decide who does the audit, don't you think?

Sure the Rs would be acting just like you are so the plan is working.
 
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ClearwaterVol said:
Actually it is not. The Arizona GOP is arguing Cyber Ninja has no duty to safeguard the privacy of Arizona votes and doesn't need to comply with state law regarding recounts.
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How exactly is the privacy of Arizona votes not being safeguarded?? And do you guys really want to discuss complying with state laws regarding the election? Just a few points that I want to make about this audit

1. It's been transparent. They have live-streamed every move that's been made.

2. This is an actual audit. They are not just going through and retabulating the same fraudulent votes. They are auditing every piece of the puzzle.

3. This is not about Donald Trump. This is about giving power back to We the People where it belongs. Our politicians are supposed to work for and represent us. I feel like the corruption and cheating is on both sides of the aisle. It needs to stop
 
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hog88 said:
Who's paying for the audit? That groups should get to decide who does the audit, don't you think?
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If you want someone to take your audit seriously... you don't choose a firm who is so obviously biased. Not only is Doug Logan biased... his bias is the reason his firm was chosen.
 
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ClearwaterVol said:
We are talking about millions of these "pales." In fact, some of them have managed to get elected to Congress. The GOP has a significant portion of its base that is batshit crazy. In fact, trump pedaled many qanon theories.
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And a significant portion of the D base isn't? Remember PutinGate?
 
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ClearwaterVol said:
We are talking about millions of these "pales." In fact, some of them have managed to get elected to Congress. The GOP has a significant portion of its base that is batshit crazy. In fact, trump pedaled many qanon theories.
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And that's different than the Batshat crazies on the left? Conspiracies only exist on the right and only the R politicians are plagued by it??

If you're just looking to troll for fun, I'll bow out but I don't see trolling as part of your sop.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
If you want someone to take your audit seriously... you don't choose a firm who is so obviously biased. Not only is Doug Logan biased... his bias is the reason his firm was chosen.
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Why do you have trouble understanding that this is all theater to keep the base riled up? Other than the use of taxpayer money this isn't any different than the Muells witch hunt. All about playing to the base, it's theater.
 
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VolinWayne said:
How exactly is the privacy of Arizona votes not being safeguarded?? And do you guys really want to discuss complying with state laws regarding the election? Just a few points that I want to make about this audit

1. It's been transparent. They have live-streamed every move that's been made.

2. This is an actual audit. They are not just going through and retabulating the same fraudulent votes. They are auditing every piece of the puzzle.

3. This is not about Donald Trump. This is about giving power back to We the People where it belongs. Our politicians are supposed to work for and represent us. I feel like the corruption and cheating is on both sides of the aisle. It needs to stop
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Because Cyber Ninja is refusing to show compliance with election laws. PERIOD. GOP is arguing they don't have to safeguard voters privacy.
 
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VolinWayne said:
How exactly is the privacy of Arizona votes not being safeguarded?? And do you guys really want to discuss complying with state laws regarding the election? Just a few points that I want to make about this audit

1. It's been transparent. They have live-streamed every move that's been made.

2. This is an actual audit. They are not just going through and retabulating the same fraudulent votes. They are auditing every piece of the puzzle.

3. This is not about Donald Trump. This is about giving power back to We the People where it belongs. Our politicians are supposed to work for and represent us. I feel like the corruption and cheating is on both sides of the aisle. It needs to stop
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4. This is about a conspiracy theorist named Doug Logan who has spread false allegations regarding 2020 election fraud on the website of Sidney Powell - who just happened to be an attorney for the 2020 Trump Campaign. You can not pretend that he and his company are in any way objective.
 
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McDad said:
And that's different than the Batshat crazies on the left? Conspiracies only exist on the right and only the R politicians are plagued by it??

If you're just looking to troll for fun, I'll bow out but I don't see trolling as part of you sop.
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Right now, the batshit crazies on the right are way outside of reality. Batshit crazies on the left are way overreacting to real events.
 
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utvols88 said:
Isn't that answered with an audit? An audit would be able to argue weakness areas and a further dive would be able to narrow down possible fixes. Not sure anyone is arguing the result of an audit, review, etc should be Trump taking office.
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"Weakness areas" are apparent without an "audit" and if we're being intellectually honest - we can both recognize that this is just fodder for continuing to undermine the general election process. Just as it was when Dominion was blamed for changing votes. Just as it was in every single hollow, unprovable failed accusation of 'cheating" was levied.

Calling it an "audit" instead of a "recount" doesn't change what's going on. If you think an "audit" would still be occurring and "necessary" to find "weakness areas" if had Trump won, you're fooling yourself - this is all sour grapes.
 
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