To Protect and to Serve II

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#11,952
Rasputin_Vol said:
So now we are going to have cops enforcing arbitrary house rules?

I think we are going well past come sense reasons for kicking someone out of a private establishment and moving into the ridiculous.
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Principle behind it.

If a person is no longer welcome on private property, regardless of the arbitrary "rules" the property owner has the right to have them removed.

As police responses go, this is probably more justified than a lot of them.
 
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Grand Vol said:
Principle behind it.

If a person is no longer welcome on private property, regardless of the arbitrary "rules" the property owner has the right to have them removed.

As police responses go, this is probably more justified than a lot of them.
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I don't disagree with that. But at this point, I'm ready to say that if you are going to make that call, then the property owner needs to be the one responsible for enforcing it.

The police have more important things to do and lets be honest, none of the 3 parties involved in this (the customer, the bank and the police) end up looking good. And this will most certainly lead to some type of litigation and negative PR that the cops and BofA don't need to deal with.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
I don't disagree with that. But at this point, I'm ready to say that if you are going to make that call, then the property owner needs to be the one responsible for enforcing it.

The police have more important things to do and lets be honest, none of the 3 parties involved in this (the customer, the bank and the police) end up looking good. And this will most certainly lead to some type of litigation and negative PR that the cops and BofA don't need to deal with.
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Not entirely off base here with this thinking. But at the same time, it's bad precedent to set to let even this minor slip go if you're BoA.

I'm not saying I agree with the mask policy by any means and, as I always like to point out, there is probably more to this story that happened prior to the LEO arrival. The full story could be they tried to move her along without physical means. But a business owner will only go so far with that.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
I don't disagree with that. But at this point, I'm ready to say that if you are going to make that call, then the property owner needs to be the one responsible for enforcing it.

The police have more important things to do and lets be honest, none of the 3 parties involved in this (the customer, the bank and the police) end up looking good. And this will most certainly lead to some type of litigation and negative PR that the cops and BofA don't need to deal with.
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There is no valid litigation from a simple criminal trespassing arrest
 
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hog88 said:
It’s not unethical, she refused to abide by the rules of the bank and refused to leave.
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Yeah tell the businesses that were looted and burnt down during the mostly peaceful protest when the police “stood down”. Where were the cops when these businesses called for help?

I’m all for private businesses having rules, but don’t most banks have rent a cops? Could have been handled by the bank.

A precedent has been set. Cops can choose which laws to enforce.
 
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lolol. Protesting in the street and get upset when hit by a cop car. These people have the cognitive ability of a wet sandwich.

Warning - prototypical left wing male effeminate cuck narration and some swear words
 
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MOOOOONEY said:
Yeah tell the businesses that were looted and burnt down during the mostly peaceful protest when the police “stood down”. Where were the cops when these businesses called for help?

I’m all for private businesses having rules, but don’t most banks have rent a cops? Could have been handled by the bank.

A precedent has been set. Cops can choose which laws to enforce.
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Cops have always chosen which laws to enforce or not.
 
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hog88 said:
How far would it be acceptable for the private entity to go in enforcement. Shoot the bitch?
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I'm basing this on the whining that cops have given over the years of them not having the training or know-how to correctly deal with certain situations, their exhibited practice of not showing the ability to de-escalate situations and the growth of these busy body Karens that want to have people arrested for the flimsiest of transgressions.

This takes some pressure off of the cops from having to deal with a petty domestic dispute and it makes these Karens and "woke" property owners think twice about coming up with these silly rules now that they know that the cops cannot be used as their attack dogs and enforcers... they will have to enforce their own rules or actually be reasonable and come up with a more diplomatic resolution.

The problem is that the cops are far too involved in too many aspects of our lives... even before COVID. Now over the last year, we've added one more reason for the cops to make visits to either a domestic call or to the local McDonalds/Walmart.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
I'm basing this on the whining that cops have given over the years of them not having the training or know-how to correctly deal with certain situations, their exhibited practice of not showing the ability to de-escalate situations and the growth of these busy body Karens that want to have people arrested for the flimsiest of transgressions.

This takes some pressure off of the cops from having to deal with a petty domestic dispute and it makes these Karens and "woke" property owners think twice about coming up with these silly rules now that they know that the cops cannot be used as their attack dogs and enforcers... they will have to enforce their own rules or actually be reasonable and come up with a more diplomatic resolution.

The problem is that the cops are far too involved in too many aspects of our lives... even before COVID. Now over the last year, we've added one more reason for the cops to make visits to either a domestic call or to the local McDonalds/Walmart.
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I don't really see the police being the ones who are "whining" more often than not in these situations. I actually have taught de-escalation, and utilize it every day even in the business world, however there are times where you can attempt to "de-escalate" someone for an hour and doesnt change anything. The bank workers explained to her several time about the policy and she refused, then they asked her several times to leave and she refused, the police officer in this case explained to her several times what the issue was and what the law was and what the consequences would be, and she still refused...there is not much else that could've been done to end the incident.
 
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Matt2496 said:
Didn't know where else to put this story, so I guess I'll just put it here:

He Was Wrongfully Convicted Of Murder. Now He's Suing The Rental Car Company That Didn't Provide Receipt Supporting His Alibi.

Stories like this are why I'm against capital punishment.
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Agree on the capital punishment, however this is dumb because Hertz didnt have the records he requested in 2011. Also police still believe he committed the crimes and two eye witnesses had ID'ed him to police
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
I am not sure what you mean by this. If a business calls to have someone removed, the officer has the right/ability to do so.
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Don't cops have bigger priorities and concerns than enforcing random private property owner rules?

This is far too much to be putting on cops.
 
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