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Ron Swanson said:
An exit interview with former UGA assistant Mike Ekeler
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That is a great article. I like this guy's thinking. We didn't pay attention to Stars of a recruit until Rivals and other sight's started that rating system. We have over the years put our trust in Stars instead of Coaches evaluation of players and yes they do miss some but they get plenty more right. I loved his statement about there is really only 5 players in the country that are truly different than the rest.
 
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Orangeredblooded said:
He already was getting a 5 million buyout regardless from Auburn. We don’t know but speculation what and why CPF brought him, To fix a broken Football program, for stability or to be insurance HBC, to save his own job. With that kind of assured money in my bank, why would I go to any program if I wasn’t assured something, regardless if it padded my bank account almost a million dollars. I’d be thinking about mine and my family’s future and keeping my reputation intact, in case I had to find another job.
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I agree with you. It was a good move by Steele. Which is what I meant by money raining down on him for being a bud of Phil's. Fired as a coach at Auburn even when he did a good job. Happens all the time in the profession. Takes the offer from his bud hoping for more responsibility and an even bigger paycheck down the road. Which is kind of the point. No Fulmer as AD, no Steele, no million bucks down the drain. Dumb, dumb decision by Fulmer that was purely done in his own self interest. There are great reasons why Steele never became a HC again after Baylor, was fired from Clemson, and had to go back to Saban's Coaching School to restart his career. Just another example of why the good ole boys crew needed blown up by bringing in outsiders with no connections to them. JMO.
 
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Glad the weather is moderating. Time to get the sticks out and work off the rust from the winter. I can now do so content with the direction of our Vol football program.

I want to be a sold out Vol fan again. I want to always say 15-0 in the preseason like Ron and halfway believe it can happen. If CJH/staff can deliver a reasonably good first season where we can obviously see improvement in focus, knowing assignments, effort, etc. - it will go a long way in helping all fans to enjoy more and criticize less. I'm really look forward to analyzing the O and D schemes and plays now that they are going to have a system that is current. Fun stuff instead of frustrating stuff.
 
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Hubbs says that Brumfield wasn't a finalist for the position, talked to assistant coaches but not Heupel

 
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Otis1105 said:
Couldn’t you say the same about Pruitt and sherer, and will friend, and ansley? They worked together had success he brought them with him.. I think this place just sees what they want to see!
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I didn’t necessarily have an issue with pruitts old staff besides he seemed to interfere too much with his coaches .... The guys coming with Hype is coaching the same exact position from an offense that was one of the best in the country.... Ainsley was a first time def coordinator( although I don’t think he did a horrible job) bc I tend to overlook covid seasons due to all the challenges.....friend reminds me of Martinez.... lots questions about both but obviously people on the profession seem to like him.....I don’t think you ever know if a staff will mesh well together but I like this one more than all the staffs dating back to kiffin.... kiffin had a really good staff, imo.
 
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A few rays of optimism from Basilio's recruiting expert "X" this morning:

In an odd sort of way Coach Heupel may be a bit relieved Simpson and Horn chose different schools. It’s almost like hiring a new head coach but not giving him freedom to hire his staff. When Coach Heupel took the job, the top of his quarterback recruiting board was already set. He didn’t recruit either prospect at Central Florida. Now, he can recruit the quarterback(s) of his choosing. Two things I’m sure of 1) there are plenty of quarterbacks that would love to play in his offense and 2) there are more undervalued quarterback prospects available in this cycle, because of COVID (some states didn’t play football in 2020 and some had very limited seasons), than in past recruiting cycles.

The Tony Basilio Show

He goes on to list several potential QB targets, including Drew Allar.
 
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Devo182 said:
Don't mind it, but unless it's a really good one/very high ceiling kid in the rough, I see way less value in using a scholarship on one than most any other year. Getting 2 straight top-100 QBs both has both set us up for awhile and made it tougher to bring in a 3rd straight.

That said, I'm 100% on taking a QB every single cycle. The position is just too important to not use a spot on it, even if the kid's a longshot. As long as he has big potential. You could always find a Mahomes or a Trask or a Mayfield.
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They'll take at least one-- maybe a developmental prospect. The pandemic has reduced the exposure for some guys, who may have been overlooked or ranked lower. Simpson and Horn going elsewhere wasn't a surprise. UT had already refocused on guys the staff recruited at UCF.

While we have high-potential QBs on the roster, there's no guarantee we'll keep them all-- or keep them healthy.
 
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LA Vol said:
They'll take at least one-- maybe a developmental prospect. The pandemic has reduced the exposure for some guys, who may have been overlooked or ranked lower. Simpson and Horn going elsewhere wasn't a surprise. UT had already refocused on guys the staff recruited at UCF.

While we have high-potential QBs on the roster, there's no guarantee we'll keep them all-- or keep them healthy.
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Need, want, must have Drew Allar.




Not really but kid is a baller. Mix of both Bailey and Salter
 
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butchna said:
Heupel’s top assistant, Golesh was on his staff one year. So you’re basing this on Ellarbe and Halzle?
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Main point is all coaches like to hire guys they have worked with in the past and know how they coach and that they can get along... so they all use this buddy system that everyone hates once the staff is fired. It’s why saban hates that every time a coach leaves him he takes assistants with him. So, you can see it as he’s not hiring all his buddies or that he is hiring some of his buddies or guys he has coached with... they are the same and people only see what they want to see..
 
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Otis1105 said:
Couldn’t you say the same about Pruitt and sherer, and will friend, and ansley? They worked together had success he brought them with him.. I think this place just sees what they want to see!
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You’d add Niedermeyer and Weinke to that list if you were seeing correctly. Two unprovens he had a good feeling about. Then Charles Kelly.
 
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Tennessee is undefeated in the Spring/Summer expectations over the last 20 years. That streak comes to an end this offseason lol.

Not sure how I feel about that. Hopefully pessimism turns to realism by the time Summer rolls around, and we can actually have a team that beats expectations for once in history.
 
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Otis1105 said:
Main point is all coaches like to hire guys they have worked with in the past and know how they coach and that they can get along... so they all use this buddy system that everyone hates once the staff is fired. It’s why saban hates that every time a coach leaves him he takes assistants with him. So, you can see it as he’s not hiring all his buddies or that he is hiring some of his buddies or guys he has coached with... they are the same and people only see what they want to see..
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You hire people you feel strongly can do the job and working with them previously is the best litmus test...but “buddies”? That’s a stretch. You seem to be employing that “see what you want to see” tactic pretty heavily yourself! So St Nick has never employed somebody he’s known or coached with previously?
 
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UpstateVol613 said:
I have heard of so many coaches being unhappy here. In your opinion does it come down to the culture Pruitt created? They don’t like Knoxville? Is it something we do differently than other schools? I am just curious because it seems like we have a lot of coaches leave not just to progress their career but they can’t wait to get out.
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Pruitt. Losing and the escalating negativity it caused. Lack of chemistry and buy-in. The friction between the coaches who took paycuts and those who refused was the final ingredient in a toxic stew. UT has not been a happy place for a while, and things just boiled over. The only coaches who weren't relieved to get out were the two VFLs shoved out the door. And that caused more friction with former players and donors.
 
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butchna said:
You hire people you feel strongly can do the job and working with them previously is the best litmus test...but “buddies”? That’s a stretch. You seem to be employing that “see what you want to see” tactic pretty heavily yourself! So St Nick has never employed somebody he’s known or coached with previously?
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Well since no one knows the actual buddy status of coaches unless you know both personally, then yeah “buddy” gets thrown around. I think the only real “buddy” that Pruitt had on staff was friend. I personally don’t know if he and ansley and sherrer were go out and drink beers together “buddies” he did bring friend with him a few places so I’m more comfortable thinking they were friends but even then maybe not... so, yes like I’ve said previously the argument can be cut both ways which I think you proved for me above. Someone said it’s nice that they didn’t use the buddy system and I pointed out he brought 4 coaches he coached with last year which was my only point in posting about it... call it buddies call it comfort.. you responded to my post and proved the point... as for the st. Nick question I’m sure he has... I did see an interview with him and Bill belli and they discussed how they had honor in not poaching coaches when you get the call from coordinator to head man.. I’m not going to dig through his history to prove or disprove a point that doesn’t really deal with the main point of my post
 
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