Who will be the qb this year?

Brent Schaffer and Erik Ainge here at Tennessee albeit it was 2004
Yeah, no thanks. That was musical chairs including Clausen that year because the qbs struggled. Look at the roster of that team and compare it to now, different level, you could roll the dice with a freshman and win 10 games then which we can’t right now. Great example not to throw HB in personally.
 
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Your evaluation loses all credibility with your weak arm assessment. JG has the arm to make every throw, it's actually one of his best traits. Your take is awful if you are saying he has a weak arm.

Guess we will just have to disagree on the arm strength. I have never seen him overthrow a deep pattern to a speedy receiver. You say he can make every throw and I don’t think he can consistently make routine throws, and I’m not talking check down throws. I know you think I don’t like JG but I actually would love him to win POY or make the all-conference team. If he plays well, the Vols are playing well.
 
Watch his film, he’s got a cannon.
I watched him and compared him to other kids at the Elite 11, and I came away completely unimpressed with his arm strength. He's young, and his arm could still get stronger. He also supposedly has other strengths. I'm not writing him off. I'm just saying that his arm strength isn't that impressive right now.
 
I watched him and compared him to other kids at the Elite 11, and I came away completely unimpressed with his arm strength. He's young, and his arm could still get stronger. He also supposedly has other strengths. I'm not writing him off. I'm just saying that his arm strength isn't that impressive right now.
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Tn list him as 6'3 195, so he's not 6'4 and he's not 200 lbs. Even if he was 200 it's not lean muscle. He needed to add 20 lbs this offseason and probably needed 50 more lbs to his bench press. He doesn't look like he's added weight or muscle to me. He's the smallest of all our QBs and he seems to be the most injury prone. I've also not heard a single coach mention that he's spending xtra time in the film room or weight room, not heard anyone mention he's picking the playbook up well or any of them bragging on him for getting bigger, faster, stronger, more mature as a person (although Weinke did say he's improved some there) or any of the little things you have to do to be a starter. His Twitter escapades last year could not have helped him much either with earning the coaches trust. There are so many things he needs to improve on to be a capable starting QB and I don't see any indication that he's much different today than he was a year ago. Injuries set back his development and now being buried on the depth chart looks like that is hurting his development too. Hopefully he'll have his degree by the time he's registered as a SO, if he does that then he'll have some options to transfer. I would not mind seeing him stick around as a quality backup I just don't see him staying here if that were the case. If he doesn't play much this season I suspect we will see him at a mid major somewhere for 3 seasons.
He’s been listed anywhere from 6’3- 6’4 depending on the sight you visit. Maybe some measure with shoes on and others don’t. Maybe he slumps a little when being measured, Idk. What I do know is he’s 6’4. Either way that is far from “undersized”. He was 193 at signing day. He was 202 at the spring game last year. Once again not undersized for his playing style. JTS, HB and JG all NEED to be bigger than he is because they are not a threat to run. BM NEEDS to be lighter because he IS a threat to run.

What makes this even more funny that you call BM undersized is the fact that you’ve highly touted Salter at 6’1 185. Explain that Pulaski.
 
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Yeah, no thanks. That was musical chairs including Clausen that year because the qbs struggled. Look at the roster of that team and compare it to now, different level, you could roll the dice with a freshman and win 10 games then which we can’t right now. Great example not to throw HB in personally.
THAT season wasn’t. All 3 ended up making plays. Schaeffer lost out in the competition by the middle of the season and then got injured. Ainge was the established starter and was rolling aces before his season ending injury and Clausen was adept enough to win the Cotton Bowl going away. Now the FOLLOWING season? That was the first Fulmer inspired “musical chairs” QB edition with Ainge and Clausen going back and forth...Schaeffer had transferred.
 
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He’s been listed anywhere from 6’3- 6’4 depending on the sight you visit. Maybe some measure with shoes on and others don’t. Maybe he slumps a little when being measured, Idk. What I do know is he’s 6’4. Either way that is far from “undersized”. He was 193 at signing day. He was 202 at the spring game last year. Once again not undersized for his playing style. JTS, HB and JG all NEED to be bigger than he is because they are not a threat to run. BM NEEDS to be lighter because he IS a threat to run.

What makes this even more funny that you call BM undersized is the fact that you’ve highly touted Salter at 6’1 185. Explain that Pulaski.
Maurer is a tall beanpole because 6’3-4 and 195 is on the thin side for that size. There we can agree on that. There is plenty of qb’s his size that were successful and Maurer potentially could be too at some point. No point in arguing about a kid that needs that hamstring healed up anyways.
 
THAT season wasn’t. All 3 ended up making plays. Schaeffer lost out in the competition by the middle of the season and then got injured. Ainge was the established starter and was rolling aces before his season ending injury and Clausen was adept enough to win the Cotton Bowl going away. Now the FOLLOWING season? That was the first Fulmer inspired “musical chairs” QB edition with Ainge and Clausen going back and forth...Schaeffer had transferred.
Clausen was around 20-30 less attempts shy of Ainge that year and played in 4-5 games. That is rotating qbs.
edit: he was closer to 60 attempts less and played in 6 games in 2004.
 
Couldn’t rotate Ainge in by the time Clausen got significant playing time. He was the only one LEFT! Weirdest rotation I’ve ever heard of.
2004-2005 were awful years for qb for us. Thank god for Cedric Houston.
 
Maurer is a tall beanpole because 6’3-4 and 195 is on the thin side for that size. There we can agree on that. There is plenty of qb’s his size that were successful and Maurer potentially could be too at some point. No point in arguing about a kid that needs that hamstring healed up anyways.
The argument is more about exposing Pulaski for the hypocrite he is.
 
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Guess we will just have to disagree on the arm strength. I have never seen him overthrow a deep pattern to a speedy receiver. You say he can make every throw and I don’t think he can consistently make routine throws, and I’m not talking check down throws. I know you think I don’t like JG but I actually would love him to win POY or make the all-conference team. If he plays well, the Vols are playing well.
I agree. I’m not impressed with his arm strength. Average at best. I did see him throw a 15-20 yard out under pressure last year that was impressive. That is one throw in two years that reminded me of Manning. Manning and other good/great Qb’s made throws like that at least a dozen times a game.
 
He’s been listed anywhere from 6’3- 6’4 depending on the sight you visit. Maybe some measure with shoes on and others don’t. Maybe he slumps a little when being measured, Idk. What I do know is he’s 6’4. Either way that is far from “undersized”. He was 193 at signing day. He was 202 at the spring game last year. Once again not undersized for his playing style. JTS, HB and JG all NEED to be bigger than he is because they are not a threat to run. BM NEEDS to be lighter because he IS a threat to run.

What makes this even more funny that you call BM undersized is the fact that you’ve highly touted Salter at 6’1 185. Explain that Pulaski.
I've never touted Salter as I've never seen him play or much video. 6'1 185 seems a bit small if he's not full of super lean muscle. I don't see Salter being anywhere near ready to be our starting QB next season, but if he puts on 20 lbs of muscle between then and now I could see him potentially getting some time. HB is our guy the next few seasons so he's gonna be scratching for time until Bailey is injured or departs. I'm not sold on him that much at all really.
 
I am excited that JG is the QB. He is tough as nails and has given his all for the VOLS. He is going to have a geat year. This will be his second year under the same offensive coordinator. He will have a good offensive line which he has not had before. He will be the strength of the offense.
 
Another childish remark, at least you used 8th grade vocabulary this time.
Are you saying it’s not hypocritical to criticize Maurers size at 6’4 200 not being “physically ready” to play in the SEC while saying Salter IS at 6’1 185? Your words dude...... not mine
 
Are you saying it’s not hypocritical to criticize Maurers size at 6’4 200 not being “physically ready” to play in the SEC while saying Salter IS at 6’1 185? Your words dude...... not mine
I never said Salter was ready to play. BM is not ready physically or mentally to be a starting QB in the SEC, I absolutely said that last season and it doesn't appear he's done anything about it during the offseason.
 
I never said Salter was ready to play. BM is not ready physically or mentally to be a starting QB in the SEC, I absolutely said that last season and it doesn't appear he's done anything about it during the offseason.
You said Salter would be yet another reason Maurer would transfer next year. You also said we’d go from JG to HB to Salter then Manning. Did you not? Do you think Salter is going to grow 2-3 inches and put on more than 30 lbs to be at YOUR required weight for a qb? If Maurer is undersized then you’re saying Salter should never have been offered at all huh? Or MAYBE playing styles have a HUGE effect on body types. One or the other..... choose one
 
You said Salter would be yet another reason Maurer would transfer next year. You also said we’d go from JG to HB to Salter then Manning. Did you not? Do you think Salter is going to grow 2-3 inches and put on more than 30 lbs to be at YOUR required weight for a qb? If Maurer is undersized then you’re saying Salter should never have been offered at all huh? Or MAYBE playing styles have a HUGE effect on body types. One or the other..... choose one
Wtf are you rambling about. You can't be so simple minded to think that I believe all QBs need to be 6'3 monsters. Plenty of 6'1 guys can play the position, they still need muscle and strength to play in the SEC, BM looks to have neither nor does it look like something he worked on improving during the offseason. You're the QB coach, surely you're not out there telling the kids you coach to not be focusing on their body. Football players improve in the weight room regardless of what arm and leg talent they possess, I'm sure you've told BM that same exact thing dozens of times.

For the record I predicted JG/HB/Salter/Simpson/Manning, you're right I should have clarified I think it'll be either Salter or Simpson after HB.
 
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You said Salter would be yet another reason Maurer would transfer next year. You also said we’d go from JG to HB to Salter then Manning. Did you not? Do you think Salter is going to grow 2-3 inches and put on more than 30 lbs to be at YOUR required weight for a qb? If Maurer is undersized then you’re saying Salter should never have been offered at all huh? Or MAYBE playing styles have a HUGE effect on body types. One or the other..... choose one
Your boy was recruited as a project with hopes that he would improve his strength, size, maturity, propensity to turnovers and knowledge of an offense, recruited here because we had zero depth at the time at QB and recruited here because he showed some arm talent and running ability at the QB position. Injuries hampered his improvement and for whatever reason he's been recruited over not once with Bailey but twice once Salter was recruited here. You've hinted that you're one of the reasons he's at UT and I've said numerous time that was probably bad advice if you knew HB was being recruited to play QB in Knoxville. The biggest lol I had all season was when you stated BMs play would scare off HB, hehe, that was a good one as it didn't even scare off JG. Your boys time is up in Knoxville if he doesn't see the field early this season, deep down you know it and it kills you, especially when someone told you a year ago that's what would happen. I hate it though because I think we're a pretty good football team if a player as great as BM is, according to you, is our backup QB.
 
Wtf are you rambling about. You can't be so simple minded to think that I believe all QBs need to be 6'3 monsters. Plenty of 6'1 guys can play the position, they still need muscle and strength to play in the SEC, BM looks to have neither nor does it look like something he worked on improving during the offseason. You're the QB coach, surely you're not out there telling the kids you coach to not be focusing on their body. Football players improve in the weight room regardless of what arm and leg talent they possess, I'm sure you've told BM that same exact thing dozens of times.
It depends on their playing style man! That’s what I’ve been trying to get through to you! If qb A is a pocket passer then I’ll give them a certain diet (weight gain) that is NOT the same as qb B as a Duel threat (weight maintain or loss). You don’t have to “add” muscle to become stronger. I know people that can’t bench 200 lbs but can pick up car transmissions off the ground. I know people that can bench 350 that can’t pick up that same transmission. So to answer your question.... yes I’ve SUGGESTED to Brian not to get over 215 and personally don’t want to see him over 210. However if HB were a qb of mine I’d tell HIM to stay at 225. With Salter I’d tell him 200-205. Why?........ difference in playing styles.
 
Your boy was recruited as a project with hopes that he would improve his strength, size, maturity, propensity to turnovers and knowledge of an offense, recruited here because we had zero depth at the time at QB and recruited here because he showed some arm talent and running ability at the QB position. Injuries hampered his improvement and for whatever reason he's been recruited over not once with Bailey but twice once Salter was recruited here. You've hinted that you're one of the reasons he's at UT and I've said numerous time that was probably bad advice if you knew HB was being recruited to play QB in Knoxville. The biggest lol I had all season was when you stated BMs play would scare off HB, hehe, that was a good one as it didn't even scare off JG. Your boys time is up in Knoxville if he doesn't see the field early this season, deep down you know it and it kills you, especially when someone told you a year ago that's what would happen. I hate it though because I think we're a pretty good football team if a player as great as BM is, according to you, is our backup QB.
If Brian were to transfer it wouldn’t be because he “got recruited over”. It would be because he and one of his coaches don’t see eye to eye and I’ll leave it at that. But HB physically will not beat out Maurer. If he were to do that it would have to be in the film room. Maurer has the stronger arm, both are equally as accurate deep but Maurer is more accurate short and intermediate. Bailey can’t throw on the run. Maurer can. Bailey can’t run away from defenses. Maurer can. Bailey has to have a clean pocket for his mechanics because he can’t throw “off platform”. Maurer can.

None of this is meant as a shot at Bailey. There’s just a difference in the two of them. Bailey is an “old school” qb and Maurer is what the position has evolved into today. If Maurer had played for St Thomas Aquinas or IMG (like they wanted him to) he would’ve been a high 4* or better. And even though he chose to stay loyal to his team he was still recognized as the best qb in the state of Florida in his class. He’s known as the best that ever came out of his area which includes the likes of Daunte Culpepper and Nkosi Perry.
 
Your boy was recruited as a project with hopes that he would improve his strength, size, maturity, propensity to turnovers and knowledge of an offense, recruited here because we had zero depth at the time at QB and recruited here because he showed some arm talent and running ability at the QB position. Injuries hampered his improvement and for whatever reason he's been recruited over not once with Bailey but twice once Salter was recruited here. You've hinted that you're one of the reasons he's at UT and I've said numerous time that was probably bad advice if you knew HB was being recruited to play QB in Knoxville. The biggest lol I had all season was when you stated BMs play would scare off HB, hehe, that was a good one as it didn't even scare off JG. Your boys time is up in Knoxville if he doesn't see the field early this season, deep down you know it and it kills you, especially when someone told you a year ago that's what would happen. I hate it though because I think we're a pretty good football team if a player as great as BM is, according to you, is our backup QB.
And BTW. I never said BM would scare off HB. I think you have me confused with littlevol. I did however say at one point last year that if I were thinking like a HC it was a smart play to go with JG even though there was a more talented qb on the roster because if he touched the field he’d run away with the job. And I wasn’t wrong. Once he touched the field he ran away with the job and only injury got JG back on the field. If he’d never gotten injured it’s a high possibility that we would’ve lost JG AND HB. Which would’ve left us with ONLY Maurer and Shrout this coming season.
 
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It depends on their playing style man! That’s what I’ve been trying to get through to you! If qb A is a pocket passer then I’ll give them a certain diet (weight gain) that is NOT the same as qb B as a Duel threat (weight maintain or loss). You don’t have to “add” muscle to become stronger. I know people that can’t bench 200 lbs but can pick up car transmissions off the ground. I know people that can bench 350 that can’t pick up that same transmission. So to answer your question.... yes I’ve SUGGESTED to Brian not to get over 215 and personally don’t want to see him over 210. However if HB were a qb of mine I’d tell HIM to stay at 225. With Salter I’d tell him 200-205. Why?........ difference in playing styles.
Well he's nowhere close to a toned 215 lbs so he must not be listening.
 
And BTW. I never said BM would scare off HB. I think you have me confused with littlevol. I did however say at one point last year that if I were thinking like a HC it was a smart play to go with JG even though there was a more talented qb on the roster because if he touched the field he’d run away with the job. And I wasn’t wrong. Once he touched the field he ran away with the job and only injury got JG back on the field. If he’d never gotten injured it’s a high possibility that we would’ve lost JG AND HB. Which would’ve left us with ONLY Maurer and Shrout this coming season.
I'm guessing if that were the case and had that happened there is no way anyone would be optimistic about the upcoming season.
 
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