George Floyd Protest/Riots

[Rasputin_Vol]

Incredibly poor comparison.

Uhh, actually, that is a damn good comparison.

You can't victim blame because that puts some accountability on the victims. Just like accountability should be going on George Floyd. If he hadn't done what he did, he wouldn't have been arrested and thrown into the clutches of the MPD lions.

There is always room for victims of violence to self-reflect and consider how their actions may have contributed to a situation. Yes, wearing a long gold chain and medallion at a rap concert might get you robbed or beaten. Yes, a woman wearing a low cut or revealing dress may get her sexually assaulted. Yes, breaking the law will put your in a position to have your life put in danger by the police.

This is just common sense thinking. But it is by no means a defense of the violence placed upon the victims. I think most people with an IQ above room temperature understand this.

 

[NashVol11]

Normal Americans are not the ones doing these rioting. That is why you don’t see it happening in places were normal Americans live.

What does this mean? “Normal Americans” live everywhere

 

[USAFgolferVol]

Good glad to see one of you stepping up

Yep. Because everyone with a brain knows you know nothing about stepping up. We've always had your slack. Always will have it regardless of the mindless drivel

 

[615vols]

Unfortunately, that would be called victim blaming.

Obviously, the guy has the right to wear the hat, but there are consequences for going to a riot in 2020 wearing one. That is not me justifying the violence against him. That is me just saying that one of the weapons a person needs for self-defense is wisdom.

Yes, and to further expand on this one could also say that there are consequences to committing crimes. You can choose to rob and resist arrest, but there are consequences for doing so. One of the weapons a person can use in self preservation is to not put yourself in idiotic situations.

 

[NashVol11]

I don't think he is letting the officer "off the hook." He has maintained all along that Ofc. Chauvin was clearly wrong for what he did and should pay the price for his actions. But he is saying that there is more here than just black and white.

Dragging the conversation down into a “Chauvin and Floyd both messed up” implied false equivalence is letting the officer off the hook

 

[615vols]

What does this mean? “Normal Americans” live everywhere

Normal people don’t behave like these idiots burning businesses down and looting and assaulting people.

 

[NashVol11]

Have you just ignored my posts about that I believe the officer was in the wrong? But it also doesn’t make Floyd some saint that was wrongly arrested either. He played a part in his own death too especially by ingesting the drugs

Just strikes me as a “both sides” false equivalence when one party was the clear problem here

 

[NashVol11]

Normal people don’t behave like these idiots burning businesses down and looting and assaulting people.

But these are all “cities where normal Americans live,” unless “normal” means “rural.” I’m wondering how normal is defined in that quote

 

[JOEY'S ALL VOL !!!]

Nothing says "We mourn for George Floyd" or "We want justice" quite like looting a pair of Air Jordans or a 70" flatscreen.

Bunch of thieving criminal pieces of ****, just taking advantage of a situation.

 

[volfanjustin]

Yep. Because everyone with a brain knows you know nothing about stepping up. We've always had your slack. Always will have it regardless of the mindless drivel

Of course you are good with these thugs destroying cities but you know what, as long as they stick with destroying dem led cities in good with it

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

Yes, and to further expand on this one could also say that there are consequences to committing crimes. You can choose to rob and resist arrest, but there are consequences for doing so. One of the weapons a person can use in self preservation is to not put yourself in idiotic situations.

I addressed George Floyd in a later post. You are correct. He put himself in that situation (assuming he knew he had a counterfeit $20).

 

[Purple Tiger]

Normal people don’t behave like these idiots burning businesses down and looting and assaulting people.

Normal people can get angry, too.

 

[TheDeeble]

Dragging the conversation down into a “Chauvin and Floyd both messed up” implied false equivalence is letting the officer off the hook

It’s not letting the officer off the hook. It’s saying if Floyd wasn’t doing what he was doing that brought about the interaction then he wouldn’t have been in that situation.

That doesn’t make the officers actions right. Or acceptable.

 

[volfanjustin]

It’s past time BLM and antifa are deemed domestic terrorist organizations

 

[615vols]

I addressed Georg Floyd in a later post. You are correct. He put himself in that situation (assuming he knew he had a counterfeit $20).

No I seen it, and I was genuinely agreeing with you. Good post

 

[allvol123]

Nothing says "We mourn for George Floyd" or "We want justice" quite like looting a pair of Air Jordans or a 70" flatscreen.

Bunch of thieving criminal pieces of ****, just taking advantage of a situation.

I mean this culture needs some serious self reflection. This isnt sporadic cases. This is thousands of people that are completely ok with theft. THOUSANDS.

 

[NashVol11]

It’s not letting the officer off the hook. It’s saying if Floyd wasn’t doing what he was doing that brought about the interaction then he wouldn’t have been in that situation.

That doesn’t make the officers actions right. Or acceptable.

They attempt to make the officer’s actions less wrong, and/or Floyd’s death more justified, otherwise there’s no point at all in victim-blaming like that

 

[ETV]

Normal people can get angry, too.

Angry, yes. Having the maturity to control your emotions and not lash out at someone or something that had NOTHING to do with occurred in Minneapolis. There's the difference between the two.

 

[rjd970]

Uhh, actually, that is a damn good comparison.

You can't victim blame because that puts some accountability on the victims. Just like accountability should be going on George Floyd. If he hadn't done what he sis, he wouldn't have been arrested and thrown into the clutches of the MPD lions.

There is always room for victims of violence to self-reflect and consider how their actions may have contributed to a situation. Yes, wearing a long gold chain and medallion at a rap concert might get you robbed or beaten. Yes, a woman wearing a low cut or revealing dress may get her sexually assaulted. Yes, breaking the law will put your in a position to have your life put in danger by the police.

This is just common sense thinking. But it is by no means a defense of the violence placed upon the victims. I think most people with an IQ above room temperature understand this.

Hold up - let’s go back and see what I said.

The guy did not deserve to get attacked and it’s inexcusable. That said, it showed a lack of judgement that he would intentionally walk into a protest wearing it.

With the rape victim it is completely different. It would not excuse a rape victim getting attacked, but it would show a lack of judgement should a women walk into a large crowd of sex crazed rapists wearing nothing but skimpy lingerie.

Neither excuse getting attacked, but neither is showing very good wisdom.

The issue I have is the MAGA hat incident was compared to a woman just being out in a normal situation. Obviously, this is not a normal situation with the riots.

Let me be clear, neither situation is right, but one is clearly different than the other, no matter what the MAGA snowflakes say.

 

[USAFgolferVol]

Of course you are good with these thugs destroying cities but you know what, as long as they stick with destroying dem led cities in good with it

No, I'm not good with it. Most people aren't good with it. I will still get your slack

 

[615vols]

Normal people can get angry, too.

Sure. I got angry watching the video of Floyd’s death. Now I’m angry watching thugs loot and destroy people’s livelihoods and groups of 20 people assault one guy because he has a red hat on. But I’m not going to go act like a complete idiot and cause harm to others because I’m angry. I’m an adult and know how to handle myself and care and respect others as well.

 

[Purple Tiger]

Angry, yes. Having the maturity to control your emotions and not lash out at someone or something that had NOTHING to do with occurred in Minneapolis. There's the difference between the two.

To think these protests/riots are just about what occurred in MN is naive. We have an epidemic of police brutality in this country.

 

[37L1]

Dragging the conversation down into a “Chauvin and Floyd both messed up” implied false equivalence is letting the officer off the hook

Even though he has said the opposite.

I disagree with your assessment. No one gets a pass in this nor should they. Facts are facts and are open for discussion as well as yours, his and anyone else's, interpretation. It doesn't make Mr. Floyd any less of a victim nor does it make him a hero or a saint.

 

[DancingOutlaw]

Normal people can get angry, too.

When I get angry I don’t burn **** down or steal. That’s not a normal reaction to an emotion we all have.

 

[allvol123]

To think these protests/riots are just about what occurred in MN is naive. We have an epidemic of police brutality in this country.

I mean, we dont, but that does assist with the rationalization of what we are seeing now.