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#53,578
Remember about 6 weeks ago when the saying was "15 days to slow the spread"? These tyrants like John Cooper just can't let go of their unconstitutional power
 
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rjd970 said:
If's and but's, candy and nuts.

Herd immunity is not A solution, it is the ONLY solution near term. Shutting the country down isn't sustainable. Waiting for a vaccine isn't sustainable.

So your entire argument of a spike in cases being bad is it COULD mutate? Or, did you fail to answer my question on what is so bad about a spike in cases?

You used the spike in cases as a bad thing. If it is, tell me why. If it's not, then this is yet another example of the unfounded fear mongering and you and the press are doing harm by not being able to STFU about this.

Here is the bottom line. The majority of this country is not at risk, and the vast majority will not die of this. I'm sure this won't stop you from using increase numbers of cases as a fear tactics and silly statements like "this is 10X deadlier than the flu" without any context....but just be advised you look supremely stupid, uninformed, and drama/fear loving while doing it. Congrats.
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There are plenty of experts far more knowledgeable than you or me. As I've said previously, I defer to Dr. Fauci and other doctors for their science-based recommendations - I do not rely on Trump or any other politician.

You're welcome to hold your breath and stomp your feet all you like, it won't change reality.
 
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MontyPython said:
There are plenty of experts far more knowledgeable than you or me. As I've said previously, I defer to Dr. Fauci and other doctors for their science-based recommendations - I do not rely on Trump or any other politician.

You're welcome to hold your breath and stomp your feet all you like, it won't change reality.
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You figure out the difference between cfr and mortality rate yet?
 
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MontyPython said:
I don't disagree that herd immunity is A solution, but it's not the only one aside from a virus. Therapies are another (see: HIV). I've read about the possibility of volunteers to be systematically infected. There are dangers obviously... but, don't forget viruses mutate, too. So what's a killer of the old and weak today could affect children or others in the future.
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Who is going to line up for that?
 
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MontyPython said:
There are plenty of experts far more knowledgeable than you or me. As I've said previously, I defer to Dr. Fauci and other doctors for their science-based recommendations - I do not rely on Trump or any other politician.

You're welcome to hold your breath and stomp your feet all you like, it won't change reality.
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Why is a natural herd immunity worse than a vaccine provided one?

I asked earlier and a couple of the actual health workers/educated here said there was none.

If it can mutate against a "naturally" acquired herd immunity, there is no reason to believe it cant mutate against a vaccine acquired herd immunity.

The only difference is the timeline.

We can wait it out for a vaccine and keep having some people get infected due to limited contact, and absolutely destroy the economy.

Or we can let the not at risk build immunity, getting infected, but not overloading the hospitals. They weren't overloaded before no reason to think it gets far worse and they cant handle. And let the economy correct itself a bit, while the at risk wait for a vaccine.

Keeping the economy shut down is going to hurt the hospitals and our ability to care for patients long before we develop a vaccine.

We are essentially in war time economy mode, where some industries are shut down. The issue is we cant offset the job losses with increased jobs in the health industry. As we have seen many hospitals are actually losing money now and firing health care workers. They cant afford to be COVID only or dominant.
 
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MontyPython said:
There are plenty of experts far more knowledgeable than you or me. As I've said previously, I defer to Dr. Fauci and other doctors for their science-based recommendations - I do not rely on Trump or any other politician.

You're welcome to hold your breath and stomp your feet all you like, it won't change reality.
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You sound like the Dooley and Butch lovers when it was obvious they were crap coaches and were doomed to fail.

"I trust the coaches who actually coach and recruit the players. This is their profession and are paid for it. They know more than you."
 
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0nelilreb said:
Are we going to do a study or just chalk it up to anecdotal?
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I literally stated it was anecdotal, try to keep up.

Septic said:
I'm not disagreeing that the reaction was worse than the virus, but that's still a subjective opinion. Hindsight, fortunately, allows for us to grouse about it.

You've failed to address the question of at which age does the value of life become less important or valuable, objectively. COVID may primarily affect older folks, but it's not JUST octogenarians. Anecdotally, I had a guy that lives a mile away from me die, he was a healthy 39 year old.
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TheDeeble said:
You sound like the Dooley and Butch lovers when it was obvious they were crap coaches and were doomed to fail.

"I trust the coaches who actually coach and recruit the players. This is their profession and are paid for it. They know more than you."
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Devil's in the details then. Tell me precisely how Dr. Fauci has been wrong to date. Gotta love our armchair quarterbacks playing doctor now.
 
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volfanjustin said:
Remember about 6 weeks ago when the saying was "15 days to slow the spread"? These tyrants like John Cooper just can't let go of their unconstitutional power
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Nashville and Memphis has had over 3000 cases of COVID each. There are over 5000 in Davidson and it's contiguous counties. I am not sure where you live but it's a lot worse in the bigger cities. Those mayors are careful for a reason.
 
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Today is going to be a very low day for new state-reported deaths, but it is also a strong mother's day effect. I think when all the data are in that we'll average about 500-1000 deaths/day this week. Down from a peak of about a little under 3000/day the last few days of March / first week of April. Despite what will likely be a large rise tomorrow as we start playing catch up from the weekend, the number are tailing down. The wave will wash through largely before the end of the month as long as this thing doesn't light off again as we have more contact.
 
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TennTradition said:
Today is going to be a very low day for new state-reported deaths, but it is also a strong mother's day effect. I think when all the data are in that we'll average about 500-1000 deaths/day this week. Down from a peak of about a little under 3000/day the last few days of March / first week of April. Despite what will likely be a large rise tomorrow as we start playing catch up from the weekend, the number are tailing down. The wave will wash through largely before the end of the month as long as this thing doesn't light off again as we have more contact.
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Hope so. Looks like many Americans are beginning to have enough of mess.
 
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