'19 CA QB JT Daniels (Georgia commit)

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Magic8Vol said:
I don't think it's a matter of whether he's a "good QB". Its about giving TN the best opportunity to win this year. No one knows if he would be the next Burrow or not but he's clearly a very talented player so if he can come in and win the job then great, if not then ok too. Give TN more options at the most important position. I love JGs toughness but clearly we need an upgrade at QB. I hope that Bailey is it but the more chances TN has to improve the position the better.
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I can see this thinking. All about if the coaches concur. And the kid himself has umpteen choices. If he ends up here, I’m all onboard...just not going into the fetal position if he doesn’t.
 
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JMO, but I think he could be a very important piece for this team. If JG continues to be inconsistent, Daniels offers similar talent as HB with a full season of P5 experience. Gives the coaches a reason to bench JG quicker if he is the starter and isn’t meeting expectations. This will be more important since HB wasn’t able to get spring practice this year.
 
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VOLUNTEERSZN said:
Jarrett Guarantano isn’t going to improve. Dude is broken beyond the point of return.

He is what he is and that’s it. I’d take the BYU transfer that visited for a practice over him right now if you gave me the choice.

Other SEC defenses aren’t scared of him and don’t take him seriously. that’s a MAJOR problem.

If he plays all 12 games, you won’t see improvement. I don’t even know if we could beat Troy next season with him under center. That’s how much he drags this team down.
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Tell that to Missouri. While I don't fully disagree with you, I will say it's more of the consistency from him. If he can take care of the ball, get it out on time, etc then he can be a really good sec QB. The problem is we only see those traits sporadically at times. He'll have good games where he does his job, but then he'll give you the bowl game or Alabama or Georgia state. It's maddening
 
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butchna said:
You don’t keep them all and they run each other off. That business model has UGA banking on a grad transfer from Wake Forest. Ohio State needed a sham racist angle to get an UGA refugee eligible and then watched one of theirs win a NC for LSU. Sign the best you can every cycle but glutting your roster with extra doesn’t get you anywhere faster.
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Bama has also been using the “take all the elite QBs you can get” model. Just saying, you mention Ohio State, LSU, and UGA and yet are claiming we should be taking a different approach to success...
 
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Smokeytom said:
Bama has also been using the “take all the elite QBs you can get” model. Just saying, you mention Ohio State, LSU, and UGA and yet are claiming we should be taking a different approach to success...
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Lmao yeah I look at those perennial contenders and think there but for the grace of God go I.
 
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JRVOL11 said:
Both imo. He could come here and win the job, then Harrison Bailey could transfer . Also, he could come and possibly not beat out Harrison Bailey .
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Why? This would afford HB with a RS year. IF this guy lives up to his potential HB is still a started by his RS Sophomore season. We would have 2 high level QBs on the roster. When have we been able to say that in recent history lol?
 
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Smokeytom said:
Bama has also been using the “take all the elite QBs you can get” model. Just saying, you mention Ohio State, LSU, and UGA and yet are claiming we should be taking a different approach to success...
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Really? Who were they down to last year? Mac Jones? Who was going to be Ohio State’s guy if UGA’s baseball players weren’t racist? Wasn’t going to be Joe Burrow who lost out to Dwayne Haskins for the right to pilot tOSU and ran to that “all the elite QB’s you can get” post in Baton Rouge. Who were the OTHERS down there? All the elite QB’s went to UGA and they’re down to a Wake Forest grad transfer as their best hope. In another year the Great Ginger Hope will dot their franchise...all by himself. So when we’re discussing ELITE, you have Bryce Young at Bama, Justin Fields at tOSU, ? at LSU (Myles Brennan is the favorite and Brad Johnson’s son...get back to me with the ELITE), and waiting for Vandagriff at UGA. Just sayin...that model’s been broke.
 
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butchna said:
I’d compare it to Peyton’s. No sophomore season to benefit from what he learned. I’d pass because I don’t see the numbers to get him in as a boon.
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I think I agree, but I also understand the counter arguments in favor of taking the guy if he wants in.

Everybody just wants better play at QB...this year.

#1..We all know JG ain't gonna cut it as a starter, his wiring harness is faulty.

#2..Maurer looks worse everytime you watch a replay, and it seems like he is more focused on banging college chicks and goofing off instead of getting better.

#3..Shrout..I don't know how I feel about him, he seems like the guy who never does anything much for three years, but then leaves and goes somewhere else as a senior and blows up.

#4..Holliday...Come on guys..🤷 Which brings us to..

#5..Bailey...We think he may be the next Peyton, but have seen far too many flameouts over the decades to go all in..


There seems to be a better chance that none of these guys can provide SEC quality QB play...THIS year, than chances one if them will blow up.

For me...I think I agree with you, this guy Daniels is no sure thing either, and he has not done much to justify the drooling..but still not sure. I mean he would give us one more shot at having somebody give us above mediocre QB play..


I forgot Hill...but...meh..
 
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rdk4121 said:
Tell that to Missouri. While I don't fully disagree with you, I will say it's more of the consistency from him. If he can take care of the ball, get it out on time, etc then he can be a really good sec QB. The problem is we only see those traits sporadically at times. He'll have good games where he does his job, but then he'll give you the bowl game or Alabama or Georgia state. It's maddening
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HHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHHAHAAH Boy are you blind you’re talking about seeing a difference playing against Missouri but I’m trying to see a difference in games like Florida,Georgia,Bama,LSU,South Carolina and Auburn “Consistently” Prime! Time! Games..beating Missouri doesn’t get you to a title game or Athens.its been so long since we have been relevant as fans we settle for mediocre bullS**t games like you describe...JG folds when it comes to any of those important games,he’s a veteran senior with freshman like mistakes in some cases “selfish” (Bama) and he can’t shake them.i can’t wait till he’s gone because the people behind him are winners who love to compete.JG won’t get drafted I don’t care what his completion percentage says and those are facts.
 
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Ulysees E. McGill said:
I think I agree, but I also understand the counter arguments in favor of taking the guy if he wants in.

Everybody just wants better play at QB...this year.

#1..We all know JG ain't gonna cut it as a starter, his wiring harness is faulty.

#2..Maurer looks worse everytime you watch a replay, and it seems like he is more focused on banging college chicks and goofing off instead of getting better.

#3..Shrout..I don't know how I feel about him, he seems like the guy who never does anything much for three years, but then leaves and goes somewhere else as a senior and blows up.

#4..Holliday...Come on guys..🤷 Which brings us to..

#5..Bailey...We think he may be the next Peyton, but have seen far too many flameouts over the decades to go all in..


There seems to be a better chance that none of these guys can provide SEC quality QB play...THIS year, than chances one if them will blow up.

For me...I think I agree with you, this guy Daniels is no sure thing either, and he has not done much to justify the drooling..but still not sure. I mean he would give us one more shot at having somebody give us above mediocre QB play..


I forgot Hill...but...meh..
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I think you nailed it. JG likely isnt going to cut it and the backups don't inspire confidence. HB is hopefully the truth, but adding an additional guy with a high pedigree increases the likelihood that someone will give us good QB play this year.
 
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butchna said:
Really? Who were they down to last year? Mac Jones? Who was going to be Ohio State’s guy if UGA’s baseball players weren’t racist? Wasn’t going to be Joe Burrow who lost out to Dwayne Haskins for the right to pilot tOSU and ran to that “all the elite QB’s you can get” post in Baton Rouge. Who were the OTHERS down there? All the elite QB’s went to UGA and they’re down to a Wake Forest grad transfer as their best hope. In another year the Great Ginger Hope will dot their franchise...all by himself. So when we’re discussing ELITE, you have Bryce Young at Bama, Justin Fields at tOSU, ? at LSU (Myles Brennan is the favorite and Brad Johnson’s son...get back to me with the ELITE), and waiting for Vandagriff at UGA. Just sayin...that model’s been broke.
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Ifs and buts! Every model will have a few down years, but I’m all for following the one that has put teams in almost every iteration of the playoffs. It can be done multiple ways, of course, but their model has shown plenty of recent success. With a new “1 time free transfer” rule likely coming soon, I don’t see this model slowing down. Teams that have success will have first dibs at the best transfer QBs, who will be able to come in and play immediately. Stack the position with talent and let the best man win. You don’t recruit subpar talent just to have steady supply of backups.
 
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UTSuave’ said:
HHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHHAHAAH Boy are you blind you’re talking about seeing a difference playing against Missouri but I’m trying to see a difference in games like Florida,Georgia,Bama,LSU,South Carolina and Auburn “Consistently” Prime! Time! Games..beating Missouri doesn’t get you to a title game or Athens.its been so long since we have been relevant as fans we settle for mediocre bullS**t games like you describe...JG folds when it comes to any of those important games,he’s a veteran senior with freshman like mistakes in some cases “selfish” (Bama) and he can’t shake them.i can’t wait till he’s gone because the people behind him are winners who love to compete.JG won’t get drafted I don’t care what his completion percentage says and those are facts.
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Played well against SC and beat Auburn. Mizzou has traditionally had our number and he schooled them in epic fashion. Don’t totally disagree with you, but what you posted isn’t FACTS...it’s your speculative take.
 
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Smokeytom said:
Ifs and buts! Every model will have a few down years, but I’m all for following the one that has put teams in almost every iteration of the playoffs. It can be done multiple ways, of course, but their model has shown plenty of recent success. With a new “1 time free transfer” rule likely coming soon, I don’t see this model slowing down. Teams that have success will have first dibs at the best transfer QBs, who will be able to come in and play immediately. Stack the position with talent and let the best man win. You don’t recruit subpar talent just to have steady supply of backups.
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The rosters you cited aren’t LOADED with elite QB’s. Your model doesn’t exist anymore...players have too many options.

Look at Clemson. The elite model of playoff consistency. They went from Deshaun Watson to Trevor Lawrence and are set up with DJ Uiagalelei for the near future. Where are the other ELITES? Swinney recruits other QBs but he goes all in for the face of the program types. You don’t see two in each class and hot shot grad transfers aren’t making their way there. Bad model?
 
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We are going to spend all this time debating about JT Daniels to learn he was never considering coming here in the first place
 
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butchna said:
The rosters you cited aren’t LOADED with elite QB’s. Your model doesn’t exist anymore...players have too many options.
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Every model will have down years. It just so happened that Bama and UGA found Freshmen to lead the way - yeah that will cause some to transfer out, but you’ve just found a 2-4 year starter. I’d say that’s pretty good. And when you can’t find a guy - do the OU or OST and try and find that transfer. It will pay off sometimes and sometimes it won’t.

Maybe the model should be modified as “stack the position with all the talent until one of those elite QBs actually shows he’s elite” ? Idk for certain, but I do know that QB play has not been the problem for OU/OST/Bama/UGA and they have been relying on transfers or the products of iron sharpening iron.

And idk why you bring up Mac Jones like he is terrible. He’s got 1 loss as a starter and you can largely blame Bama’s defense for that. Still up in the air how good he will be without 2-3 1st RD pick WRs, but he showed competence last year.
 
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Smokeytom said:
Every model will have down years. It just so happened that Bama and UGA found Freshmen to lead the way - yeah that will cause some to transfer out, but you’ve just found a 2-4 year starter. I’d say that’s pretty good. And when you can’t find a guy - do the OU or OST and try and find that transfer. It will pay off sometimes and sometimes it won’t.

Maybe the model should be modified as “stack the position with all the talent until one of those elite QBs actually shows he’s elite” ? Idk for certain, but I do know that QB play has not been the problem for OU/OST/Bama/UGA and they have been relying on transfers or the products of iron sharpening iron.

And idk why you bring up Mac Jones like he is terrible. He’s got 1 loss as a starter and you can largely blame Bama’s defense for that. Still up in the air how good he will be without 2-3 1st RD pick WRs, but he showed competence last year.
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But you’re forced to reference Mac Jones, Tua Jr and Bear’s grandson as ELITE...and they just ain’t! Bama has one ELITE QB prospect on their campus. Where’d I say Jones was “terrible”? But he ain’t a chosen one type by any imagination. If the staff pursues and lands Daniels, this guy isn’t going to complain. I’m just against trying to sign multiple top tier QBs in the same class. Our swing at Haynes King could just as likely ended with us ending up with neither.
 
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butchna said:
But you’re forced to reference Mac Jones, Tua Jr and Bear’s grandson as ELITE...and they just ain’t! Bama has one ELITE QB prospect on their campus. Where’d I say Jones was “terrible”? But he ain’t a chosen one type by any imagination. If the staff pursues and lands Daniels, this guy isn’t going to complain. I’m just against trying to sign multiple top tier QBs in the same class. Our swing at Haynes King could just as likely ended with us ending up with neither.
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I didn’t say you literally called him terrible, but you keep bringing him up as if he is an example of a flaw in their system. It could just as easily be said that seeing how Jones beat out those other two highly rated kids for Tua’s backup, that Jones may very well be elite, and just hasn’t had the opportunity to show it. Those other prospects haven’t had the chance to see the field, so who’s to say they aren’t very good? Now they bring in another elite QB prospect to throw into the mix. Bama’s QB room is fine. UGA might have a tough year, too soon to tell. OST is set. OU is up in the air. But we’re staring down the barrel of JG again....so yeah give me another elite QB. Plus, it’s not really two elite QBs in one class, seeing how Daniels is 1 year away from draft eligibility.
 
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Smokeytom said:
I didn’t say you literally called him terrible, but you keep bringing him up as if he is an example of a flaw in their system. It could just as easily be said that seeing how Jones beat out those other two highly rated kids for Tua’s backup, that Jones may very well be elite, and just hasn’t had the opportunity to show it. Those other prospects haven’t had the chance to see the field, so who’s to say they aren’t very good? Now they bring in another elite QB prospect to throw into the mix. Bama’s QB room is fine. UGA might have a tough year, too soon to tell. OST is set. OU is up in the air. But we’re staring down the barrel of JG again....so yeah give me another elite QB. Plus, it’s not really two elite QBs in one class, seeing how Daniels is 1 year away from draft eligibility.
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Loaded up with elite QBs is what was intimated for Bama as a “model”. So why wasn’t a 5 star chomping at the bit when Tua went down? Because they weren’t loaded up. One elite prospect and other talented options in need of development is the present day MODEL. Daniels comes here, immediately nails the new scheme and has a draft worthy season...all is good. Any deviance and you have the usual suspects wondering why our ELITE recruiters can’t land the next QB.
 
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Smokeytom said:
Bama has also been using the “take all the elite QBs you can get” model. Just saying, you mention Ohio State, LSU, and UGA and yet are claiming we should be taking a different approach to success...
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If you want an elite program, expect elite QB's to leave it. Things flush themselves out when you have a room full of elite QBs. Let time and competition do their thing.
 
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