Tennessee Football Spring Preview: Quarterbacks

[Remy]

Sorry man but I’m bout to bust your bubble yet again. Brian’s first 3 starts we’re against #3, unranked, #1. He was 52% , 2 tds, 4 ints through those games as a whole. So I thought It would be a good comparison to Bo Nixs first 3 ranked opponents given Bos ranked opponents were not nearly as high as Brian’s 2.

Bo Nix vs (11)Oregon- 13/31 177 yds. 2tds 2ints
Brian Maurer vs (3)UGA- 14/28 259yds 2tds 1int

Bo Nix vs (10)Florida- 11/27 145 yds. 1td 3ints
Brian Maurer vs MSU- 4/7 61yds. 2ints

Bo nix vs (17)TA&M- 12/20. 100 yds 1 td
Brian Maurer vs (1)Alabama- 5/7 62 yds 1td (ru) int

Unfortunately he got injured but he was actually on pace and in some ways better than Bo Nix. Idk if you’ve been paying attention but Auburn is mentioned in NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP contender status within the next 2 years because Gus bit the bullet last year and COMMITTED to his freshman. Pruitt did not. So this should serve as a preview of why my opinions are what they are.

Could it have been CJP did not want to fully commit to a freshman last year because he knows as a talent evaluator what kind of freshman QB he has coming in this year? We cannot know the answer to that but neither Shrout nor Maurer set the woods on fire when given the chance to take the reigns and run with it. This we do know CJP will put a true frosh QB on the field as a starter.

 

[1vol8]

Could it have been CJP did not want to fully commit to a freshman last year because he knows as a talent evaluator what kind of freshman QB he has coming in this year? We cannot know the answer to that but neither Shrout nor Maurer set the woods on fire when given the chance to take the reigns and run with it. This we do know CJP will put a true frosh QB on the field as a starter.

It’s absolutely possible. In fact if I had to throw a guess that’s exactly what happened. Neither of them set the woods on fire because they were not allowed to complete a game outside of Maurer vs UGA. Then again how many freshman qbs DO set the woods on fire? Very few. Bo Nix didn’t either. So the notion of “Set the woods on fire or you’re a bust” is a recipe for disaster when developing a qb. Of course this is just my opinion.

 

[1vol8]

I can pull two games and make Jameis Winston look like a HOF qb.

No you can’t. Lol

 

[k-town_king]

As a Freshman. The point is your cult idol was worse in his last two games. Maurer has to improve. Never have I said any different. You think JG is "great" and needs no major improvement.

Yep. When you use stats out of context... you're abusing them.


Right. You can parse the stats and act like JG was "great" then parse them again and in an effort to deny Maurer did some really good things. He made some throws like the one to #4 vs MSU that JG just has not and maybe cannot make. You've downplayed the pass to MC vs UGA... but JG missed on that same route to a wide open #4.

Stats have a purpose.... but you can't use them out of context like you constantly try to do.

No matter how much you lie it doesn't change the facts.

I have never once said JG is great. I have acknowledged he needs to improve. He was average last year. He also had average talent around him on offense.

You want to lie and say he is horrible. You can't even admit he was a average SEC qb the last few years when he has been middle to top half in SEC passing stats.

Nothing "out of context." Butchna kept saying 49%. He was not 49%. He was even worse. He was 46.7%.

It is a fact. No spin needed. No abuse. Just correcting false information like usual. You are one of the main spreaders of disinformation so no surprise you cry and whine.

JG has made every throw possible since he has been here. Just because you want to conveniently forget doesn't mean they didn't happen.

Maurer has not, and can not make a throw Jg can not. Not possible. He isn't as good a passer or field general.



@1vol8

JG was better than Nix last year. Nix was much better than Maurer. You aren't helping him by bringing up another freshman qb who was much better than Maurer while being worse than JG.

 

[1vol8]

No matter how much you lie it doesn't change the facts.

I have never once said JG is great. I have acknowledged he needs to improve. He was average last year. He also had average talent around him on offense.

You want to lie and say he is horrible. You can't even admit he was a average SEC qb the last few years when he has been middle to top half in SEC passing stats.

Nothing "out of context." Butchna kept saying 49%. He was not 49%. He was even worse. He was 46.7%.

It is a fact. No spin needed. No abuse. Just correcting false information like usual. You are one of the main spreaders of disinformation so no surprise you cry and whine.

JG has made every throw possible since he has been here. Just because you want to conveniently forget doesn't mean they didn't happen.

Maurer has not, and can not make a throw Jg can not. Not possible. He isn't as good a passer or field general.



@1vol8

JG was better than Nix last year. Nix was much better than Maurer. You aren't helping him by bringing up another freshman qb who was much better than Maurer while being worse than JG.

Wasn’t the point to compare him to JG. It was clearly a comparison to show how Maurer stacked up to a borderline 5*. And you’re out of your mind if you can look at those stats and say Nix was “better”. Especially when Maurer nearly matched Nixs total in passing yards in less than 10 passes in two of those games. The only other game used was the one game Maurer nearly finished and Nix got smoked vs a better team. You may as well just come out and say “it’s personal”. You’re the STAT guy...... well there you go. The STATS not only say Maurer was better than Nix but JG as well in the games he was prepared for.

 

[k-town_king]

Wasn’t the point to compare him to JG. It was clearly a comparison to show how Maurer stacked up to a borderline 5*. And you’re out of your mind if you can look at those stats and say Nix was “better”. Especially when Maurer nearly matched Nixs total in passing yards in less than 10 passes in two of those games. The only other game used was the one game Maurer nearly finished and Nix got smoked vs a better team. You may as well just come out and say “it’s personal”. You’re the STAT guy...... well there you go. The STATS not only say Maurer was better than Nix but JG as well in the games he was prepared for.

Bo nix blew him out the water.

10 games with a 100 or better qb rating of 13. Bm with 2 of 8 games.

BM only two of 8 games above 50% passing. BN 9/13.

I can post more but no need to make a UT player look even worse. Nix was much better. He was also ranked much higher so it is to be expected.

 

[whodeycin85]

@1vol8

JG was better than Nix last year. Nix was much better than Maurer. You aren't helping him by bringing up another freshman qb who was much better than Maurer while being worse than JG.

Better then nix????
Nix accounted for 23 total TDs....
Same passing tds and 2 less ints
More passing yards...
Had a lower completion % tho..57 to 62

Those are facts and if you think JG jad a better season...you are in need of serious help

 

[k-town_king]

Better then nix????
Nix accounted for 23 total TDs....
Same passing tds and 2 less ints
More passing yards...
Had a lower completion % tho..57 to 62

Those are facts and if you think JG jad a better season...you are in need of serious help

Better rating. Higher ypa. Same amount of TDs with way less attempts. He was better.

 

[cgrish]

If I had to guess now i'd say JG starts & unless the Charlotte game ls close like it was in 2018., Bailey will get in that game if he's what everyone hopes and says he is. If he is he will have surpassed BM and be available if JG stumbles in the Oklahoma game . JP likes to go with experience and low TO rate but will and has made a change at QB.
This is how it plays out in my mind and if Bailey shows out at Oklahoma will be starter vs Furman. If not we could see a QB merry go round like we did in 2019.

If the Charlotte game is close, someone else should definately be put in, we should have this game put away by half time, if not then we still have a problem with qb. whoever the qb is.

 

[1vol8]

Bo nix blew him out the water.

10 games with a 100 or better qb rating of 13. Bm with 2 of 8 games.

BM only two of 8 games above 50% passing. BN 9/13.

I can post more but no need to make a UT player look even worse. Nix was much better. He was also ranked much higher so it is to be expected.

Try and keep up KTown. Bos first start was in the comparison as well as Brian’s. Idk where you say Bo “blew him out of the water” in game one. Bo threw for less than 200, 2 tds and 2 ints vs #11. Brian threw for 259, 2 tds and 1 int vs #3. Yes BM had a small sample size of the other 2 games but he nearly matched Bo in total passing yards in only 7 pass attempts in both games. One of those being against #1. And Bo threw more ints within said games vs ranked opponents. My point is you’re expecting way more out of UT freshman qbs than you obviously do any other freshman qb throughout the game.

 

[Dumbledorange]

Yep. When you use stats out of context... you're abusing them.

Is stat abuse a felony?

 

[k-town_king]

Try and keep up KTown. Bos first start was in the comparison as well as Brian’s. Idk where you say Bo “blew him out of the water” in game one. Bo threw for less than 200, 2 tds and 2 ints vs #11. Brian threw for 259, 2 tds and 1 int vs #3. Yes BM had a small sample size of the other 2 games but he nearly matched Bo in total passing yards in only 7 pass attempts in both games. One of those being against #1. And Bo threw more ints within said games vs ranked opponents. My point is you’re expecting way more out of UT freshman qbs than you obviously do any other freshman qb throughout the game.

Stop trying to pick and choose from 8 or 9 quarters of play out of the whole year.

Also how did BM do in quarters 2-4 that game vs BN? I'm sure he wants below 50% with multiple turnovers and no scores.

BN also actually threw TDs in those comparison games.

Nix was much better. The season and not a handful of quarters determines who was better.

 

[1vol8]

Stop trying to pick and choose from 8 or 9 quarters of play out of the whole year.

Also how did BM do in quarters 2-4 that game vs BN? I'm sure he wants below 50% with multiple turnovers and no scores.

BN also actually threw TDs in those comparison games.

Nix was much better. The season and not a handful of quarters determines who was better.

My bad.... I forgot coaching is obsolete to you. What got into me thinking you may want to see a comparison of proven capabilities?

 

[whodeycin85]

My bad.... I forgot coaching is obsolete to you. What got into me thinking you may want to see a comparison of proven capabilities?

Its all about antiqued stats like QBR. And YPA

 

[1vol8]

Its all about antiqued stats like QBR. And YPA

It’s actually gotten almost sad. He either has a personal issue with the kid or he seriously doesn’t trust his eyes NOR the stats that matter. At this point he’s just gotta pick one.

 

[whodeycin85]

It’s actually gotten almost sad. He either has a personal issue with the kid or he seriously doesn’t trust his eyes NOR the stats that matter. At this point he’s just gotta pick one.

JG had a better season then Nix. Yet played poorly agasint tops 25 teams and helped his team score less...but he had a higher rating and YPA so JG was better.

Ktown is a clownshoe

 

[k-town_king]

Its all about antiqued stats like QBR. And YPA

It’s actually gotten almost sad. He either has a personal issue with the kid or he seriously doesn’t trust his eyes NOR the stats that matter. At this point he’s just gotta pick one.

So what are the "new" or relevant stats then? Most consider ypa and rating the best performance measure for a qb.

Raw total stats are the least relevant.

 

[whodeycin85]

So what are the "new" or relevant stats then? Most consider ypa and rating the best performance measure for a qb.

Raw total stats are the least relevant.

Considering YPA is highly based off the type of offense run...and whether teams throw more swing passes or not to make up for lack of a running game..

Also QBR doesnt take into account strength of team played...at the NFL level its fine....but a college qb that craps the bed vs top 50 defense but excels against 75 or lower rated defense will have a bettwr QBR. Thats why an adjusted rating is starting to be utilized..

 

[1vol8]

So what are the "new" or relevant stats then? Most consider ypa and rating the best performance measure for a qb.

Raw total stats are the least relevant.

That’s what people have been telling you all along KTown. When talking freshman qbs it’s not about stats. It’s about ability. You constantly put Maurer down as a freshman due to his stats while refusing to acknowledge that he was among the best in his class when prepared. He’s proven it over and over again, from his senior year of Hs, to the opening and now in college. No one is claiming he had a GREAT season. However most understand that a freshman is limited within the playbook, limited reading defenses and limited knowledge of his receivers. Those limitations are are all mental and get better naturally with time and reps.

 

[1vol8]

Considering YPA is highly based off the type of offense run...and whether teams throw more swing passes or not to make up for lack of a running game..

Also QBR doesnt take into account strength of team played...at the NFL level its fine....but a college qb that craps the bed vs top 50 defense but excels against 75 or lower rated defense will have a bettwr QBR. Thats why an adjusted rating is starting to be utilized..

Good point!

 

[1vol8]

So what are the "new" or relevant stats then? Most consider ypa and rating the best performance measure for a qb.

Raw total stats are the least relevant.

And btw....you’re wrong. Most couch coaches consider YPA and QBR. That’s for the fans. But I can tell you from experience that professionals could care less what the stats say. Not once has anyone I’ve ever known within the industry asked “what’s his stats say?” before excepting or evaluating a player. They turn on the tape. They could care less, if they are looking at a qb, weather or not the receivers catch the ball. They are looking at where his ball finishes, velocity, touch, timing, accuracy, reputation and leadership. Too many other people are involved in a player’s success involving stats to evaluate any player individually.

 

[k-town_king]

Considering YPA is highly based off the type of offense run...and whether teams throw more swing passes or not to make up for lack of a running game..

Also QBR doesnt take into account strength of team played...at the NFL level its fine....but a college qb that craps the bed vs top 50 defense but excels against 75 or lower rated defense will have a bettwr QBR. Thats why an adjusted rating is starting to be utilized..

Adjusted or not JG was the best qb on the roster and a better passer than Nix.

That is a fact. He was the best on the roster by stats and eye test.

Now ypa is irrelevant? Lmao

 

[whodeycin85]

Adjusted or not JG was the best qb on the roster and a better passer than Nix.

That is a fact. He was the best on the roster by stats and eye test.

Now ypa is irrelevant? Lmao

Irrelevent. No. But put more importance on it they anyone I've ever met..its literally your go to stat....

Fact is. Raw stats as you like show Nix was better...
More yards better TD to int Ratio...

BTW AQBR. Is JG 64. NiX 63.

Rushing gives Nix the better QB award

 

[sjt18]

No matter how much you lie it doesn't change the facts.

I don't lie. I leave that to you.

I have never once said JG is great.

Everyone here has seen your cult affection for the guy.... Summarizing your non-sense... isn't dishonest.

I have acknowledged he needs to improve.

Yes a FEW times in the abstract and then go absolutely NUTS when people get specific even about obvious weaknesses and failures.

He was average last year.

No he wasn't. He was so bad that the staff threw a true Fr who no one thinks was ready on the field. He had a couple of good games and then he finished the season as bad as he started it.

He also had average talent around him on offense.

You think Jennings and Callaway are "average"? The OL was good enough to be like 3rd in sacks while he was only quicker than a WR turned QB at getting the ball off. He was constantly late and short on deep throws. He had to "see" a play open rather than leading receivers into catches and YAC's. He was surrounded by a team with enough talent to be VERY good... that his weaknesses held back.

You want to lie and say he is horrible. You can't even admit he was a average SEC qb the last few years when he has been middle to top half in SEC passing stats.

He's not "average". He has YET to lead an O to 30 points against a FBS D. His terrible performance in the RZ which you first denied and then ran away from is a big reason why. Nix who you've been discussing did so 4 times this past year... including against Bama.

It is a fact. No spin needed. No abuse. Just correcting false information like usual. You are one of the main spreaders of disinformation so no surprise you cry and whine.

You are a fundamentally dishonest person.

JG has made every throw possible since he has been here. Just because you want to conveniently forget doesn't mean they didn't happen.

I've always said he had a very good arm. The passes he does NOT make are the ones where he has to read quickly and throw or anticipate the throw. There are tons of examples but a REALLY easy one is the long ball to MC in the first series of the 2nd half of the USCe game. He held the ball too long then failed to lead MC. An easy TD became a contested catch. Sometime between the 5 minute and 6 minute mark of the 3rd qtr Shrout threw the same route... and perfectly lead MC for a catch and score.

Maurer has not, and can not make a throw Jg can not. Not possible. He isn't as good a passer or field general.

The ball he threw to DWA early in the MSU game was lead perfectly... a throw JG has not made in 3 years. Maurer's pass to MC in the UGA game was a play JG overthrew DWA on.

He takes too long to make decisions. He does not anticipate throws well.

Go back and watch the IU game. The announcer nails it. JG has to "see" before throwing rather than anticipating.

 

[sjt18]

Maurer has not, and can not make a throw Jg can not. Not possible.

You are self-deluded. You deny something that isn't just "possible" but real... because it doesn't fit your narrative.

He isn't as good a passer or field general.

I have given JG credit for learning to manage the O in the latter half of the season. But he should have been able to do that before the end of year 4.

Nonetheless, that is THE only thing giving him an advantage. He's a liability in the passing game that even D's as untalented as IU and Vandy found ways to take advantage of.