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Kingston Vol said:
“Great recruiter” is overselling what he’s done here.
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Maybe. We’ve haven’t see players with the size and ability like HT, Crouch, etc in a while. I’d even say since Fulmer. Would you not agree? I’m more skeptical of his ability to develop players than I am to his recruiting ability.
 
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awaitingawin said:
This defensive scheme is working out just like the game against Ga. St.
Go basic 4/3 now...implement it during this bye week...
Fans can accept a lot but when they see players still not knowing who to cover or what to do its a nightmare...Opposing coaches grinning ear to ear
If we do that and put BM or Shrout in I think we play a much much better game against Ga...
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Didn’t know how to cover any better in the old scheme. Much as it sucks now it was worse.
 
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titansvolsfaninga said:
even some underdeveloped players will still have "IT". TO ME, the basics of football is hitting, throwing, catching, and running. If you are on defense, hit the person with the ball. If you have the ball, you don't know who to throw it to, throw it to the person that is open. If you don't know the right route get open and catch the ball. If you have the ball, run and don't get tackled. None of the "underdeveloped" guys can seem to do the basic stuff.
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Maybe it's still strength and conditioning.
 
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jakez4ut said:
i just go back to Butch and Dobbs. we very well coulda/shoulda/woulda lost several games, including App St if not for Dobbs being our QB. in fact, i'd say CBJ got at least an additional year because of Dobbs.

QB is important. ask Pruitt and ask Jones.
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QB can be coached and grown. You don't have to just "get lucky" and pick the right one or else. This notion that QB at college or pro level are either good or not, it's just a matter of getting lucky and identifying elite ones is silly. Almost all of the top 25 or so QB in high school and college are good enough to be good at the next level. The issue is coaching, scheme, development, training, etc...and less about whether a QB is predestined to be good or bad. Put Brady on the Browns of 10 years ago, and Brady is talked about as yet another Browns bust instead of a possible GOAT.
 
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MoCo_Vol said:
Of course you're not, it's not your pocket being dipped into.

Seriously, as fans we shouldn't even approach the talks about "just pay the buyout" because we're not on the hook for a damn red cent of it. sheesh


As long as CJP brings in top 25 classes, I have no issue waiting until year 4 or 5. It's going to suck losing the rest of this season, it'll suck more if we're still trending that way next year.

But he needs a full roster purge and as long as he's restocking the pond with better fish, then we'll endure. Because as soon as he wins 10 games no one will care and it'll be dismissed as "yeah, he was rebuilding"

At this point the only way a firing happens is when Neyland is less than 50% full. Or the entire crowd is the opponent. And I'm not sure we'll see that happen
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You are right it’s not my money but i did give a solution that pays for itself

My money would be spent more often if Fulmer is the coach I can tell you that. I will go to a few games here and there over the course of the time Pruitt has left out of the love of the experience but I would go much more often if Fulmer or anyone else is the HC. I won’t be alone in that kind of thinking and that’s why the financial argument doesn’t hold water for keeping Bama Pruitt
 
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McGeesPub said:
Alabama. Five coaches from 2001-2007.
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I'm not sure where I land on this. I think there is merit to the belief that things get better if you hire the right coach. But, the hard cap on the 25/class limit makes things more difficult now. Saban signed 32, 30, 28 and 26 in his first three full classes. So, going in to year 3, he was able to clean house of 12 extra guys and bring in players he wanted. Makes a difference in how quickly things can get turned around.
 
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InstrumentalVol said:
Is it possible we see Friend, Rocker, Sherrer and Weinke gone after this season? I think Weinke 100% has to go.
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Weinke as QB coach, I could see it. The OL has actually played better this year, and Rocker has been saddled with inexperience on the DL. But, if better coaches are available, I could see it.
 
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jave36 said:
That's such a lame excuse that I keep seeing. If you're not good enough to coach up ANYONE'S recruits to wins over GA State, byu, and decent performances against teams with similar talent to yours, you're not a good coach. I'm willing to give him passes on learning how to be a head coach in the worst possible situation for anyone to learn in (it's our dumb fault for hiring a first timer), but this notion that his hands are tied with someone else's recruits is nonsense.

Same with Chad Morris. Even an average coach should be able to coach any Power 5 roster to a win over SJSU or GA State, whether that roster has any of his recruits or not.
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I would agree there's some truth to that. But go back to Butch's classes and look at how many have contributed to this point. Or even in the 2 deep? Butch's 2017 class has a handful of guys that have even seen the field.
 
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1. I hope Butch goes to Rutgers, and I hope he pulls JG and has a fantastic season for both.
2. Rocker is the only positional coach that I feel 100% should be let go. He hasn't recruited well, hasn't coached up his talent well. Hasn't done anything except draw a check from what I've seen.


Weinke I'm not sure why we fire him to be honest, JG is yet again learning a new system and the kid just hasn't got "it" so firing a QB coach because of one player after one season seems dumb. If he finds employment elsewhere on his own, then so be it...wouldn't fire him though.

YAC and Sherrer seem to be our strongest positional coaches at this point. YAC had the WRs doing well last year, and has gotten good production from RBs so far this year and he's been listed as a primary on some great recruits. Sherrer stepped "down" from DC last season and is handling special teams as well as ILBs and where is the best group of talent on the team? ILB.

Nieds is a fantastic recruiter and does solid with TEs...Tee is a VFL and I've not seen anything to show regression at WR, plus he can recruit.

OL has improved with recruiting and production, so I don't know if I'm out on Friend...I'm also not sure if it's him pulling them strings for the growth of the unit or a benefit of Chaney/Fulmer involvement.
 
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JAllen18 said:
I would agree there's some truth to that. But go back to Butch's classes and look at how many have contributed to this point. Or even in the 2 deep? Butch's 2017 class has a handful of guys that have even seen the field.
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I agree but my point is that they'd all be the best player on ga state, even the worst non contributors from butchs group of players.
 
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jave36 said:
QB can be coached and grown. You don't have to just "get lucky" and pick the right one or else. This notion that QB at college or pro level are either good or not, it's just a matter of getting lucky and identifying elite ones is silly. Almost all of the top 25 or so QB in high school and college are good enough to be good at the next level. The issue is coaching, scheme, development, training, etc...and less about whether a QB is predestined to be good or bad. Put Brady on the Browns of 10 years ago, and Brady is talked about as yet another Browns bust instead of a possible GOAT.
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don't think i intimated otherwise. just that qb is important.

and there's a lot more to being a good qb than having a live arm and the physical tools. i still think JG has all the physical attributes you want. but not the head for it. and i think JG has been coached. and he does exactly what he's coached to do. like, exactly......like that slide....coached to do it, and he did it...... but no head for the game....need that first down, need to set a tone for the rest of the team...put your shoulder in to that guy and go get that extra yard.....just one example, but you get the idea.

Dobbs, on the other hand, aside from his legs, did NOT have all hte physical tools you want as a passer, but was heady, and atheltic and could bail you out of bad plays.....make no mistake, Dobbs did a lot of his damage despite what was called....

anyway......my only point is that QB is important, and can make or break a coach if not handled/recruited/coached or whatever, properly......
 
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