Recruiting Forum Football Talk II

[jave36]

I think Pruitt knows his hands are tied with what he wants with his team. He wants to get his guys here. Not the previous staff's guys.

That's such a lame excuse that I keep seeing. If you're not good enough to coach up ANYONE'S recruits to wins over GA State, byu, and decent performances against teams with similar talent to yours, you're not a good coach. I'm willing to give him passes on learning how to be a head coach in the worst possible situation for anyone to learn in (it's our dumb fault for hiring a first timer), but this notion that his hands are tied with someone else's recruits is nonsense.

Same with Chad Morris. Even an average coach should be able to coach any Power 5 roster to a win over SJSU or GA State, whether that roster has any of his recruits or not.

 

[SCvol333]

I can't imagine watching Tennessee Football for the last two seasons and thinking the situation under this coaching staff is salvageable. A lot of you are lying to yourselves.

Up to the ky game last year I actually thought the staff was doing a good job. Seemed like we were poised to go to a bowl game and had 2 big sec wins under our belt. I don’t know what the f happened on 11-11-18 but the rails are officially off

 

[butchna]

Issue is really the way contracts get structure in college football. I will never for the life me understand how piss poor performance and misconduct gets you fired WITH FULL PAY.

Just look at the Antonio Brown situation, granted that guy is fully deserving of what he's getting. Still though, his contract meant nothing, NCAA can learn a lot from the professionals. You can't perform, you don't get paid.


But for the future of UT regardless of how well he does on the field, we need CJP to be here 3 full years. He & his staff have too much on the line to just throw in the towel, so they'll continue to pull in the best talent they can get and develop them the best they can. And if he's got the roster flipped at least the next HC starts with more to mold from.

And then you take your head outta your ass and you pay a proven HC who (hopefully) has a history of being able to rebuild programs.

Coaches get paid out in the pros also...unless Al Davis has the checkbook.

 

[KPT_VFL]

Have we called Urban yet?

 

[McGeesPub]

We would be on our 5th coach in a decade. Which current top 25 program can you point to that used the model of coach roulette to become a top 25 program? As fans we want to keep doing the same thing and hope that it ends up with better results.

Alabama. Five coaches from 2001-2007.

 

[TrippieRedd]

That's such a lame excuse that I keep seeing. If you're not good enough to coach up ANYONE'S recruits to wins over GA State, byu, and decent performances against teams with similar talent to yours, you're not a good coach. I'm willing to give him passes on learning how to be a head coach in the worst possible situation for anyone to learn in (it's our dumb fault for hiring a first timer), but this notion that his hands are tied with someone else's recruits is nonsense.

Same with Chad Morris. Even an average coach should be able to coach any Power 5 roster to a win over SJSU or GA State, whether that roster has any of his recruits or not.

Hands are tied

 

[butchna]

Up to the ky game last year I actually thought the staff was doing a good job. Seemed like we were poised to go to a bowl game and had 2 big sec wins under our belt. I don’t know what the f happened on 11-11-18 but the rails are officially off

You mean TIL AFTER the Kentucky game?

 

[tnmarktx]

We would be on our 5th coach in a decade. Which program current top 25 program can you point to that used the model of coach roulette to become stable. As fans we want to keep doing the same thing and hope that it ends up with better results.

I don't really want to change coaches. I want to change the way we select coaches. If that means purging everyone associated or has been associated with the program, then so be it. Obviously, the boosters can't be purged. Let's hope that they don't have us much power in deciding what coach is hired. That has been debated and will continue to be debated.

 

[awaitingawin]

Why can't Bituli move to ILB and let To o to o move to OLB. Much better fit all the way around imo...
They had To o to o looping around the Offensive tackle Saturday. Maybe a defensive delayed blitz or something but it wasn't very effective.

 

[nicksjuzunk]

I think Larry is discounting the fact that coaches around the country know that UT has been down primarily because of poor coaching hires. Rick Barnes is actually a very good counter example to what he's saying. Rick came here, got everything he needed and then some, and is having a sort of career renaissance. Got lured by UCLA and stayed in Knoxville because we ponied up for him.

IMO there isn't a single worthwhile coach in America thinking "boy, Derek Dooley and Butch Jones got a raw deal. They really had something going at Tennessee and got the rug pulled out from under them." And if we fire Pruitt at 2-10, there won't be a single coach going "wow, Jeremy Pruitt got a raw deal. He went 7-17 and got fired. What fantasy land are they living in in Knoxville?"

It might be different if Dooley and Butch were successful elsewhere. But Dooley is an OC and Butch is an intern. We made the right decision by firing those guys.

... and yet... the last coaching search actually happened

 

[titansvolsfaninga]

assume that's true....it's not like he gets a choice. he has what he has, and it would behoove him to figure out how to win as much as he can with what he's got.

which i believe is what they've tried to do.

siap yesterday....there's talent at the very oldest spots of this roster...and at the very youngest spots. the wide middle is just a bunch of bodies.

i don't think there's a quick fix here, and i didn't when they hired him.

this year has not gone lilke i thought it would at all, and has at best added another year to the rebuild--not the goal....

i think we're hitched to this wagon for now, but i am still increasingly frustrated that not a single coach we've hired has been able to do more with the previous guys' players than they have. not a single one.

at some point, doesn't that tell you something about the rosters that have been passed down? Dooley has gone on to be considered a good coach and has been good at Mizzou. Stoops is winning awards at MSU. Wilcox is winning road games in the SEC...in the pac 12. Kiffin went on to be one of the best OC's in college football....Deboard is winning at Indiana...........butch is interning at bama....still. several of butch's staff are winning at other SEC schools...larry scott doing well at UF for example.

at what point is not all just the coach? at what point does situation play in to it and understanding that time may in fact be what is needed?

i don't know that to be the case here. i didn't believe that to be the case with Dooley or Butch....i was out on them relatively quickly.

i believed in what Kiffin was doing. and i've believed in what Pruitt has been doing up to this point...........results matter. they're not good....but even i think year 2 is a tad early to cut the cord....especially considering the alternatives being presented around here.....

Most of the older players were not recruited by these guys at other stops. It was said that Pruitt really didn't know any of these guys. If we are honest, a good majority of Tennessee's roster are mid major players. It is what it is. Nigel Warrior had an offer from UGA, but I doubt he would've stayed/played 4 years there. His football IQ is low. We can go down the list and look at each player, and I am willing to bet that very few had committable SEC offers.

 

[SSVol]

Really hoping we are in labor during Georgia game so I don’t have to watch

"We". Your wife thinks that is cute.

 

[AppStVol]

Why can't Bituli move to ILB and let To o to o move to OLB. Much better fit all the way around imo...
They had To o to o looping around the Offensive tackle Saturday. Maybe a defensive delayed blitz or something but it wasn't very effective.

? He is playing ILB. We are in Nickel 90% of time anyway and one is at MIKE and other at WILL.

We have a huge deficiency of EDGE players on the roster outside of 19. Big reason why the coaches are trying to develop Crouch at JACK.

Also, reason why the pass rush is non existent unless Pruitt blitzes with LBs.

 

[Ace]

As someone who thought it was time to move on from Fulmer, didn’t want him in the AD seat, and never thought he should be given another chance as HC at UT, he’s obviously proven to be a much better head coach than Pruitt has hope of being at this point. I’m all for your suggestion at this point. It would be better than watching Pruitt flop around on the deck for the next two years.

Fulmer inherited a top 10 program. Pruitt inherited a dumpster fire.

 

[tnmarktx]

Most of the older players were not recruited by these guys at other stops. It was said that Pruitt really didn't know any of these guys. If we are honest, a good majority of Tennessee's roster are mid major players. It is what it is. Nigel Warrior had an offer from UGA, but I doubt he would've stayed/played 4 years there. His football IQ is low. We can go down the list and look at each player, and I am willing to bet that very few had committable SEC offers.

I would counter that maybe these players had potential, but were never developed.

 

[SSVol]

Fulmer inherited a top 10 program. Pruitt inherited a dumpster fire.

...and then poured 5 gallons of gas on it.

 

[jakez4ut]

It does work. If you know someone is not going to work and you usually know within 2-3 years, then you move on. The problem is we keep making terrible hires and not hiring proven head coaches who win. Period.

true as that may be, you do get to the point where you have to stop the bleeding.

the brand has taken a hit and let's face it, aside from Kiffin, we've not once hired the 1st guy on our list.

we've been told NO a lot. and the reason for htat is in large part because of all the failings our admin has had in this regard.

we really are in the unfortunate position of not having a choice in terms of keeping Pruitt for the time being.

i don't see any way we fire him this year and make a "great" hire in turn. i think we run the very real risk of being told no by several candidates and being forced to settle for yet another project or "who dat?".

we still have interims at key leadership positions and Fulmer is not supposed to be the AD long term. he's a bridge....that's it. we're not even a full 24 months removed from a coup de tat............

and not to mention the booster/donor situation that is still pretty dysfunctional.

none of that says "yep, they're about to hire a home run".

and i've already gone over the more immeidate football issues regarding the roster, recruiting and locker room culture issues that would likely exist.

there's only one reason to fire him, and that's the record.....there are MANY reasons to keep him despite it.

 

[OGbabyaviVol]

Haslam.

And the only way he would do it is he gets control with who we hire, which means we are back to square one.

 

[McGeesPub]

Fulmer inherited a top 10 program. Pruitt inherited a dumpster fire.

And has no idea how to put it out, apparently.

 

[awaitingawin]

? He is playing ILB. We are in Nickel 90% of time anyway and one is at MIKE and other at WILL.

Bituli better suited at Mike imo and To o to o better suited at Will and the way they are playing Crouch is not very effective even though he can run down the line of scrimmage and make a play....
I saw Taylor 30 yds down the field covering a receiver Saturday....this just isn't working well..no wonder the kids don't know which way to go....GO standard package 4/3 defense and quit this nonsense

 

[butchna]

Why can't Bituli move to ILB and let To o to o move to OLB. Much better fit all the way around imo...
They had To o to o looping around the Offensive tackle Saturday. Maybe a defensive delayed blitz or something but it wasn't very effective.

He IS at ILB...paired with Toto.

 

[VolInDayton]

I don't really want to change coaches. I want to change the way we select coaches. If that means purging everyone associated or has been associated with the program, then so be it. Obviously, the boosters can't be purged. Let's hope that they don't have us much power in deciding what coach is hired. That has been debated and will continue to be debated.

Hasnt these coaching searches spanned 4 different ADs now? Jimmy Cheek was the chancellor up until Pruitts hire I believe, and I would imagine we used different search firms each time we hired a coach but I dont know how to verify that.

 

[McGeesPub]

...and then poured 5 gallons of gas on it.

Things are bad when SSVol is more fatalistic about coaching than I am.

 

[jakez4ut]

Alabama. Five coaches from 2001-2007.

except they were all in on rich rod. he was choice one, and they were going to hire him..............................................until he backed out and said "no thanks". then they went in desperation mode and literally wound up with Saban. GREAT miss.....

better lucky than good i always say. so roll that wheel and let that little roulette ball fly, right? that's our plan, right? hope it works out...fingers crossed, get your rabbits' foot..................good plan....copy Bama, it's gotta work one of these days.

 

[InstrumentalVol]

Is it possible we see Friend, Rocker, Sherrer and Weinke gone after this season? I think Weinke 100% has to go.