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LA Vol said:
The best argument for trying to fix what can be fixed and recruiting like hell is that nobody's going to pay Butch $200K a month for the next 17 months plus buy out this staff. Pruitt's contract has no offset and our extravagantly-paid coordinators are under three-year deals. Anybody know any boosters who're going to cover that plus the cost of a new high-ticket staff plus facilities improvements? There might be one.

So we'd better raise the Titanic.
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Not buying the financial argument. Here’s the solution


Fulmer-HC at a discount salary
Keep the coordinators


And the money that is sure to be lost in ticket sales is minimized and that money saved with rejuvenated ticket sales pays Bama Pruitt to take his ass back to Saban
 
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mr.checkerboards said:
This statement tells me all I need to know. Pruitt is here 5 years regardless of record.
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No, not at all. There's a lot of gray between 1.5 years and 5 years.

Realistically, coaches generally want out when things go really south. If Pruitt is here five years, then things have turned around and we're winning. Otherwise, both sides will want the same thing-- a behind-the-scenes deal to sever the relationship. Pruitt cares about his reputation and will want to be successful elsewhere, if it doesn't work out here.
 
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tnmarktx said:
How so? You think that going with what we have for the long term is better then doing something totally different then we've been doing the past decade. It's just a differing of opinions.
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the whole 'if you're not willing to fire, you're settling for mediocrity' blah blah blah.

literally right out of the old fulmer threads from 2008 and previous.

just lazy and thoughtless take.....and it's old. really old.
 
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BruinVol said:
Not buying the financial argument. Here’s the solution


Fulmer-HC at a discount salary
Keep the coordinators


And the money that is sure to be lost in ticket sales is minimized and that money saved with rejuvenated ticket sales pays Bama Pruitt to take his ass back to Saban
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Of course you're not, it's not your pocket being dipped into.

Seriously, as fans we shouldn't even approach the talks about "just pay the buyout" because we're not on the hook for a damn red cent of it. sheesh


As long as CJP brings in top 25 classes, I have no issue waiting until year 4 or 5. It's going to suck losing the rest of this season, it'll suck more if we're still trending that way next year.

But he needs a full roster purge and as long as he's restocking the pond with better fish, then we'll endure. Because as soon as he wins 10 games no one will care and it'll be dismissed as "yeah, he was rebuilding"

At this point the only way a firing happens is when Neyland is less than 50% full. Or the entire crowd is the opponent. And I'm not sure we'll see that happen
 
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Aesius said:
Yeah that lack of interest in winning is why the fans created a petition to bring back our most successful coach ever that attracted so much media attention it caused our Sweet 16 coach to leave us for Cal. UT fans absolutely care about basketball. We have among the highest attendance in the nation.
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We dont care about winning. We want to be fun and competitive. We hated Cuonzo because he was boring. We want to be fun and exciting for basketball.

If we cared about winning so much people would be more worried about how Rick Barnes cant get it done when it matters most, that's why he isnt at Texas anymore. Hes 0-2 in SEC championship games. 2 seasons ago we didnt make it out of the first weekend of NCAA tournament. Last season he let the coach we wanted to bring back cost him the SEC regular season and tournament. Still I am very happy with the basketball and I think it's in the best position it's probably ever been, but what would UK be saying if Barnes were the head coach of the wildcats? UK in basketball expects SEC championships and national championships, which is what we expect in football. You just cant hire and fire your way to national championships in football.
 
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BruinVol said:
Not buying the financial argument. Here’s the solution


Fulmer-HC at a discount salary
Keep the coordinators


And the money that is sure to be lost in ticket sales is minimized and that money saved with rejuvenated ticket sales pays Bama Pruitt to take his ass back to Saban
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As someone who thought it was time to move on from Fulmer, didn’t want him in the AD seat, and never thought he should be given another chance as HC at UT, he’s obviously proven to be a much better head coach than Pruitt has hope of being at this point. I’m all for your suggestion at this point. It would be better than watching Pruitt flop around on the deck for the next two years.
 
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LA Vol said:
No, not at all. There's a lot of gray between 1.5 years and 5 years.

Realistically, coaches generally want out when things go really south. If Pruitt is here five years, then things have turned around and we're winning. Otherwise, both sides will want the same thing-- a behind-the-scenes deal to sever the relationship. Pruitt cares about his reputation and will want to be successful elsewhere, if it doesn't work out here.
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Things have already went south, and I’ve been wondering whether Pruitt doesn’t already want out. At the very least, I think it’s in the back of his mind that this task is too big for him at this stage of his career.
 
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jakez4ut said:
the whole 'if you're not willing to fire, you're settling for mediocrity' blah blah blah.

literally right out of the old fulmer threads from 2008 and previous.

just lazy and thoughtless take.....and it's old. really old.
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There again, it's just a differing of opinion. It's the kind of thing that goes on in a forum. I don't think decisions will be made regarding the program based on what you or I think.
 
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Jimmy Football said:
Things have already went south, and I’ve been wondering whether Pruitt doesn’t already want out. At the very least, I think it’s in the back of his mind that this task is too big for him at this stage of his career.
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things are bad, but that can be expected in Yr2 of a rebuild. Holdovers not buying in....new kids taking their seat and eating their food. We were warned that older kids were going to be leaving, sooner or later. I am excited for the future....right now hurts a lot, but it will get better.
 
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MoCo_Vol said:
Of course you're not, it's not your pocket being dipped into.

Seriously, as fans we shouldn't even approach the talks about "just pay the buyout" because we're not on the hook for a damn red cent of it. sheesh


As long as CJP brings in top 25 classes, I have no issue waiting until year 4 or 5. It's going to suck losing the rest of this season, it'll suck more if we're still trending that way next year.

But he needs a full roster purge and as long as he's restocking the pond with better fish, then we'll endure. Because as soon as he wins 10 games no one will care and it'll be dismissed as "yeah, he was rebuilding"

At this point the only way a firing happens is when Neyland is less than 50% full. Or the entire crowd is the opponent. And I'm not sure we'll see that happen
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Intellectually, I know we should give him time to flip the roster and build some continuity within the program.

Intuitively, I fear that the coach of a team that has regressed this much in its 2nd year will not ever have much success.

It’s a real head-scratcher.
 
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SLICKYINC said:
I still believe you could get more out of some of Pruitts walkons than you can out of most of the upperclassmen.
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Honestly I want that "come to jesus" meeting. The staff, AD and maybe even the players need to have a heart to heart.

If Pruitt puts it flat out there, you earn your spot period. No matter how long you been here, you only play if you earn it. AND FOLLOWS THROUGH then things will go better, he has to set a standard and you can't say it without doing it.

Tyler Byrd is bought-in, Jennings is bought-in. Bituli and Taylor are bought in (although I don't know why Taylor can't seem to stay at the same level every game...)

I don't care what JG is doing in practice though, you've now got 4 weeks of him NOT being bought in when it matters most. His head or heart or something isn't right and it might be best for him to sit and be healthy for his grad transfer.
 
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Aesius said:
I think Larry is discounting the fact that coaches around the country know that UT has been down primarily because of poor coaching hires. Rick Barnes is actually a very good counter example to what he's saying. Rick came here, got everything he needed and then some, and is having a sort of career renaissance. Got lured by UCLA and stayed in Knoxville because we ponied up for him.

IMO there isn't a single worthwhile coach in America thinking "boy, Derek Dooley and Butch Jones got a raw deal. They really had something going at Tennessee and got the rug pulled out from under them." And if we fire Pruitt at 2-10, there won't be a single coach going "wow, Jeremy Pruitt got a raw deal. He went 7-17 and got fired. What fantasy land are they living in in Knoxville?"

It might be different if Dooley and Butch were successful elsewhere. But Dooley is an OC and Butch is an intern. We made the right decision by firing those guys.
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How many times are people going to pretend like Larry isn’t the best insider out there? He’s been damn near on the money about everything. Ultimately I think he’s right about Pruitt. Our fan base got way to excited about him and set the bar way higher than it should’ve been.

Dude has never been a head coach at any level yet we thought he was just going to kill it with a bunch of butch rejects. His players are the ones that show the most upside. Best that the fans can do is support him to help in recruiting and hope that by year 3 or 4 we have a deep enough roster to compete. Sucks but firing him will do no good and we are 100% not getting an elite coach if we get rid of him.
 
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nicksjuzunk said:
And this is why we must embrace the suck for awhile. Even if Pruitt is not the answer, there is not a viable plan B right now. The bed is made. Better to support the team and Pruitt for now because this is your team and coach whether you like it or not
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At least until end of year 3 absolutely.
 
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The idea of handing a guy a blank check after being 8-16 through two seasons is driving me nuts. I think I’ll go argue in the NBA forum for a while

We’re better than this, guys. We deserve better.
 
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