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jave36 said:
If we continue down this current path, roster issues will get worse not better. That's the problem with "gotta give him x years no matter how bad the team is, stability matters, etc..." You can blame the precious regime the first year, which is why Pruitt's first class (and Dooleys, and Butchs early classes) was good. When you can't beat teams who currently have less talent and you can't be competitive with teams like UF in your second year, recruits aren't going to come here and the problem will just get worse. Proving you can coach up whatever you currently have, regardless of how bad or good it is, and recruits will come. If you can't utilize the talent you have, new talent isn't going to come.
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well, after 5 years, you'd have all pruitt guys, and you wouldn't have to rely on freshmen; you'd at least have 2 full classes that would be the veterans and experienced leaders of the team, highly rated or not, that group would have experience in all things "Pruitt and Co." at that point.

and we have no idea how much improvement, or not, we would see on the field in years 3, 4, 5 that could possibly help on the recruiting trail which would help the roster.

just a lot of unknowns. and that doesn't mean they all go our way either. just we don't know.
 
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tnmarktx said:
So losing seasons this year and the next 2, all of which I agree with, then 7-5 in year 5? That's completely unacceptable IMO.
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well, that's what you said. not me.

it's a loaded question....as evidenced by your response here.
 
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The best argument for trying to fix what can be fixed and recruiting like hell is that nobody's going to pay Butch $200K a month for the next 17 months plus buy out this staff. Pruitt's contract has no offset and our extravagantly-paid coordinators are under three-year deals. Anybody know any boosters who're going to cover that plus the cost of a new high-ticket staff plus facilities improvements? There might be one.

So we'd better raise the Titanic.
 
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I can see Fulmer wanting to take over to stabilize things and to also have that feeling of being the head coach of the Vols one more time.

But I also believe he knows it would be a very bad look, especially when he gets his brains beat in on Saturdays. Does he really want to be the guy on the sideline when we go 1-3 in November?
 
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We should trade universities with vandy and at least give it to somebody that will put all the facilities and resources to better use. SMH, if it's burnt down to the point that waiting 5-10 years with a good chance of being mediocre is the best choice. I'd say scrap it all, and I mean all, do a complete 180 of what you've been doing. That's essentially what you have to do to troubleshoot a problem sometimes.
 
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VolInDayton said:
I think it means we know that the firing a coach every 3 years model doesnt work out just as much. Its bet to see what a coach can do in year 5 at this point than be at "year 0" every 3 years. CFB is not the NFL, you cant just flip a team in 2 years. It's better to keep a coach around long enough to have a roster with juniors and seniors who participated in a strength programs so if we do have to make a change atleast the new coach will inherit a program with able bodies.
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Hire a good coach and it turns around quickly. Keep hiring bad ones and we’re on 4 year cycles.
 
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jakez4ut said:
easy to say in hindsight.

we're stuck in the mud in regards to having to play young guys for the wrong reasons. have been for a pretty good while actually.

so we're conditioned to believe that if you're not immediately better than the guy you're replacing, or supposed to replace cause he's sucked, then you suck too.

i think this staff looked at some of the veterans...especially in the def backfield and at QB, and thought they had seen enough during the off season to like what their chances would be.

then the games started, and the guys you NEED to be able to erase youngsters errors, are making the most aggregious errors......Warrior and JG at the top of that list.

you can't have guys like that make the kind of mistakes they've made, and have the FR make mistakes and win.

that's why Bama, Clemson, GA and OSU and OU can start freshmen. they have erasers on their rosters. we don't.
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This
 
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LA Vol said:
The best argument for trying to fix what can be fixed and recruiting like hell is that nobody's going to pay Butch $200K a month for the next 17 months plus buy out this staff. Pruitt's contract has no offset and our extravagantly-paid coordinators are under three-year deals. Anybody know any boosters who're going to cover that plus the cost of a new high-ticket staff plus facilities improvements? There might be one.

So we'd better raise the Titanic.
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this is scary but true. Im guessing the one is named Thunder
 
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tnmarktx said:
We should trade universities with vandy and at least give it to somebody that will put all the facilities and resources to better use. SMH, if it's burnt down to the point that waiting 5-10 years with a good chance of being mediocre is the best choice. I'd say scrap it all, and I mean all, do a complete 180 of what you've been doing. That's essentially what you have to do to troubleshoot a problem sometimes.
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I can't figure out why you keep coming over here with all this ignorance. It's really easy for you to just say your a Vandy fan. We already knew...
 
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jakez4ut said:
they do need some good things to happen.............sooner than later. confidence has to be shot right now.
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Yep and part 2 to my post. If most of the upperclassman leave. And the two deep becomes 90% Freshman/Sophmores what chance do we actually have in November. Yes they are more talented but this is the meat grinder of the SEC their bodies aren't going to hold up. The freshman wall that Taylor and Thompson hit last year would be the whole team at this point. We need the upperclassman wether we want them or not.
 
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JAllen18 said:
You have to wonder why we didn't go with Maurer from the beginning like USC did with their True Fr QB Slovis. I understand that JG was the starter last year, and they were happy with him in practice. But something has completly damaged his confidence this year. He's damaged goods.
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They didn't go with Slovis from the beginning.
 
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I think Larry is discounting the fact that coaches around the country know that UT has been down primarily because of poor coaching hires. Rick Barnes is actually a very good counter example to what he's saying. Rick came here, got everything he needed and then some, and is having a sort of career renaissance. Got lured by UCLA and stayed in Knoxville because we ponied up for him.

IMO there isn't a single worthwhile coach in America thinking "boy, Derek Dooley and Butch Jones got a raw deal. They really had something going at Tennessee and got the rug pulled out from under them." And if we fire Pruitt at 2-10, there won't be a single coach going "wow, Jeremy Pruitt got a raw deal. He went 7-17 and got fired. What fantasy land are they living in in Knoxville?"

It might be different if Dooley and Butch were successful elsewhere. But Dooley is an OC and Butch is an intern. We made the right decision by firing those guys.
 
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JAllen18 said:
You have to wonder why we didn't go with Maurer from the beginning like USC did with their True Fr QB Slovis. I understand that JG was the starter last year, and they were happy with him in practice. But something has completly damaged his confidence this year. He's damaged goods.
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My opinion, Chaney's offense is too much for him. JG has a cannon for an arm, but I haven't seen much else from him that makes me think he can be a good QB
 
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VolInDayton said:
No good coach with options would come here if Pruitts fired after year 2.
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That’s just plainly not true. This roster is just as good or bad as it was when Pruitt took the job and Leach and Doeren both wanted it after a fan coup.

Pay the money, give the resources for staff that Pruitt is getting, and you will get a good, established head coach.
 
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LA Vol said:
The best argument for trying to fix what can be fixed and recruiting like hell is that nobody's going to pay Butch $200K a month for the next 17 months plus buy out this staff. Pruitt's contract has no offset and our extravagantly-paid coordinators are under three-year deals. Anybody know any boosters who're going to cover that plus the cost of a new high-ticket staff plus facilities improvements? There might be one.

So we'd better raise the Titanic.
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Haslam could do that 10x over and it would barely dent his wealth.
 
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I keep telling ya'll even if we only win 3 games this year. Pruitt is staying put. He gets a pass. Now, I don't believe that happens I think we get better as the season progresses and we beat UAB and get an upset win along the way. Vandy or Kentucky. But nothing happens to Pruitt this year bearing no one improves and recruiting is outside of top 25.
 
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jakez4ut said:
well, it's been holding around that number for a few months....and was going to hold around that number for a few months.

the fact that nothing has changed too drastically is probably a good thing at this point.....i think we probably have hurt ourselves with some of hte really big time prospects that were uncommitted but had us in their top 5's or whatever, but i think the core of this class should hold together if there's no change at the HC.

and i'm not saying that's why you keep him. just that in regards to the class in general, it's not a forgone conclusion that it gets blown up. top 5 or 10? probably out the window at this point....lol. top 20? not out of the question....but would need to see some sign of life, some resaon to have some level of belief......
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I think we'll lose some, but the core seems committed. Bailey and Mays are the glue. Lose them and the whole class probably collapses. I'm sure we're resetting the board. Guys we slow played or were down the board will become viable targets. No doubt our pitch has changed significantly.
 
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Aesius said:
I think Larry is discounting the fact that coaches around the country know that UT has been down primarily because of poor coaching hires. Rick Barnes is actually a very good counter example to what he's saying. Rick came here, got everything he needed and then some, and is having a sort of career renaissance. Got lured by UCLA and stayed in Knoxville because we ponied up for him.

IMO there isn't a single worthwhile coach in America thinking "boy, Derek Dooley and Butch Jones got a raw deal. They really had something going at Tennessee and got the rug pulled out from under them." And if we fire Pruitt at 2-10, there won't be a single coach going "wow, Jeremy Pruitt got a raw deal. He went 7-17 and got fired. What fantasy land are they living in in Knoxville?"

It might be different if Dooley and Butch were successful elsewhere. But Dooley is an OC and Butch is an intern. We made the right decision by firing those guys.
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Yeah but a major reason we would up with those hires is because we could not lure a coach with decent credentials to come here. You think that will change? Cause I sure as hell don't.
 
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