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tnmarktx said:
So in year 5 of the Jeremy Pruitt era, what's an acceptable win total?
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loaded question. we all know what's happening, and has happened, is unacceptable.

in year 5? would expect many, if not all, of hte current roster issues to be resolved and we should be a competitive SEC football team at that point. that could mean a lot of different things. but putting a number on it now would be futile.....

how about win more than you lose? that'd be a good place to start...............jeez.
 
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Fun coupon VOL said:
Exactly. You can’t be done on Pruitt, yet. The offense needs to be less predictable with counters and misdirection in the run game.

JG has to learn to put some touch on the ball and take some steam off. 7-21 points were missed because of this.
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JG leaves points out on the field, every game but the UTC game.
 
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Fun coupon VOL said:
I agree, but I don’t know if he is on the bench against Georgia.
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it is the foregone conclusion that we will lose against UGA. Why not play Maurer and Shrout? JG gives us nothing but 3 and outs, turnovers, and maybe a lucky pass here or there. With the other 2 we can at least have a punchers chance.
 
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nicksjuzunk said:
We knew Pruitt would require time and we are all (rightly) losing our minds 2nd season. At what point do we settle on a dude and let him work?
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Like many here I've hired and fired people and one thing I learned the hard way is once u have determined a mistake was made on a hire, rectify immediately.
It does neither party any good to delay the act..
 
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Fun coupon VOL said:
Exactly. You can’t be done on Pruitt, yet. The offense needs to be less predictable with counters and misdirection in the run game.

JG has to learn to put some touch on the ball and take some steam off. 7-21 points were missed because of this.
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I find it hard to believe you retain any hope for JG turning the corner. You would think 2+ years as the starter would be enough to learn to put some touch on the ball. Never gonna happen for him.
 
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Instead of spending the money on the buyout for Pruitt I would rather give that amount of money to Neids to recruit with. Firing Pruitt puts us 3 years behind again. Cheating our butts off can get us right quick like Ole Miss.
 
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BeecherVol said:
I agree. But with the caveat that several of the high level guys we re after aren't committed anywhere else either at the moment. I honestly don't think we re sitting at 20 commits with wins over BYU and Ga St either. I think some of those decisions were not coming until Oct and Nov. regardless.

And IMO. We could have taken 8 -10 commits from lower level guys and been ranked higher at the moment. But thats not the goal.
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All that’s fine. But nothing less than a top 5 national class allows us to bridge the gap of bad coaching the current roster has been getting. Obviously a top 5 class isn’t going to happen.

The writing is on the wall here. There’s no way out. A top 15 class would be fine. But it doesn’t beat Oklahoma, Florida, Georgia, or Alabama next season. And we’ll find 3 other losses elsewhere.
 
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chargervol said:
I just don't share that hope as easily. I really like LA and hope he doesn't take offense, I've always considered him a friend. But exactly like with AV, who I also like, you can only repeat what you're told. And I have no doubt he's honest when sharing what he's heard.

But no one has proved infallible and it's folks at UT *saying things are 100% opposite of what they've been for years and years.
I'm giving no one's source the benefit of the doubt when it comes to things being swell at Dysfunction U.
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No offense taken. I'm sorry you feel that way.
 
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titansvolsfaninga said:
it is the foregone conclusion that we will lose against UGA. Why not play Maurer and Shrout? JG gives us nothing but 3 and outs, turnovers, and maybe a lucky pass here or there. With the other 2 we can at least have a punchers chance.
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I agree. I wanted BM to start against Florida. I just know how stubborn coaches are to make changes at the qb position while coaching at UT.
 
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jakez4ut said:
loaded question. we all know what's happening, and has happened, is unacceptable.

in year 5? would expect many, if not all, of hte current roster issues to be resolved and we should be a competitive SEC football team at that point. that could mean a lot of different things. but putting a number on it now would be futile.....

how about win more than you lose? that'd be a good place to start...............jeez.
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If we continue down this current path, roster issues will get worse not better. That's the problem with "gotta give him x years no matter how bad the team is, stability matters, etc..." You can blame the precious regime the first year, which is why Pruitt's first class (and Dooleys, and Butchs early classes) was good. When you can't beat teams who currently have less talent and you can't be competitive with teams like UF in your second year, recruits aren't going to come here and the problem will just get worse. Proving you can coach up whatever you currently have, regardless of how bad or good it is, and recruits will come. If you can't utilize the talent you have, new talent isn't going to come.
 
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barrylee said:
Like many here I've hired and fired people and one thing I learned the hard way is once u have determined a mistake was made on a hire, rectify immediately.
It does neither party any good to delay the act..
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typically, this is where i fall on this topic as well. i've used the "what needs to be done inevitibly, needs to be done immediately" phrase more than once.

i think in this situation, and make no mistake, it's a situationally driven choice, firing him would do more harm than good.

he didn't walk in to a good situatino to begin with. it's obiviously gotten worse. the only way he and this staff will be able to fix it is if they're given time.

and i don't see anyone on the horizon that we could bring in and do better, faster..........that and i don't think financially the universtiy is ready to sign up for more buyouts and still shell out $10-$15M for a new staff knowing that the new guy is a minimum 5 years away given the shape the roster would be in, the status of this 20 class......and the fans want a competitive team NOW.

and the early signing period makes it really, really difficult to make that decision. when do you make the call? after the ESD? if after, then there's a good chacne we don't get signatures in December....and the pool to recruit from shrinks exponentially afteward, really hamstringing the new guy...........and extending the rebuild even further. if before, you have to re-recruit the core of the class, and hope they want to play for the new guy...and still fill it out Post December?

i mean, it's ALL bad. lol.

i really don't think there's a choice here. short term, it's awful. at least we don't KNOW what the long term looks like.

lol.
 
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Charges against BT dropped

The judge dismissed a Misdemeanor Domestic Assault charge against sophomore defensive back Bryce Thompson. Thompson appeared in a Knox County courtroom for a hearing Monday morning.

The plaintiff decided to not pursue charges. The charges were placed after an incident at Stokely Hall on campus last month involving his girlfriend.

She said the two were in a loud argument, but that Thompson never touched or hurt her.
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Domestic Assault Charges Dropped Against UT Football Player
 
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Fun coupon VOL said:
Exactly. You can’t be done on Pruitt, yet. The offense needs to be less predictable with counters and misdirection in the run game.

JG has to learn to put some touch on the ball and take some steam off. 7-21 points were missed because of this.
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JG should never take another snap for this team.
 
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jakez4ut said:
loaded question. we all know what's happening, and has happened, is unacceptable.

in year 5? would expect many, if not all, of hte current roster issues to be resolved and we should be a competitive SEC football team at that point. that could mean a lot of different things. but putting a number on it now would be futile.....

how about win more than you lose? that'd be a good place to start...............jeez.
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So losing seasons this year and the next 2, all of which I agree with, then 7-5 in year 5? That's completely unacceptable IMO.
 
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Kingston Vol said:
If the best arguments for keeping a coach are “gotta keep this top 20 recruiting class” and “well the next hire will be worse” that just lets me know no one believes this is going to work out.
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I think it means we know that the firing a coach every 3 years model doesnt work out just as much. Its bet to see what a coach can do in year 5 at this point than be at "year 0" every 3 years. CFB is not the NFL, you cant just flip a team in 2 years. It's better to keep a coach around long enough to have a roster with juniors and seniors who participated in a strength programs so if we do have to make a change atleast the new coach will inherit a program with able bodies.
 
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