Any chance Grant comes back?

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BruinVol said:
I want to know if this is true. There is another story linked here somewhere that that says this rule isn't in effect yet
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This has been discussed at length before. There have been at least 2 articles showing the rule is in effect. Also you can see or read about several people who have hired agents but still may come back to school.
 
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JoAllan said:
This has been discussed at length before. There have been at least 2 articles showing the rule is in effect. Also you can see or read about several people who have hired agents but still may come back to school.
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Yea the agent rule is in effect but the key to the other rule as outlined in the article I referenced with the nba players union.
 
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BruinVol said:
Yea the agent rule is in effect but the key to the other rule as outlined in the article I referenced with the nba players union.
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According to Sports Illustrated the rule is in effect for 2019. Any player with eligibility left can enter the draft and go back to school if not drafted.

As stated above this has been discussed at length weeks ago (it’s all in effect for this year).

NBA draft agent rule and changes for 2019 explained
 
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Unconditional Surrender said:
NBA teams are guaranteed 4 years (if they want it). I don't think the value of 22-26 is worse than 21-25. I don't really think staying would hurt him in the draft.

He would become the Peyton Manning of the basketball program if he stays. State hero for life. That's not trash. Might not be worth it, but you don't turn it down w/o a thought.
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you are 100% wrong. Look at the results of NBA drafts the past decade. Almost all early picks are freshmen and at most sophomores. And age plays a huge factor. Look at for instance most late round "steals" are Juniors and Seniors. as an example the 2017 Draft. I used 2017 instead of 2018 because those players have had 2 years. 2018 is similar but those guys have only been in the league 1 year so far.

In the first round only 3 upperclassmen were drafted in the first round starting with Kyle Kuzma (Jr.) at 27 and the last 2 picks 29,30 Josh Hart and Derrick White. Interestingly enough 2 of these guys Ended up on the Lakers along with pick 2 Lonzo Ball (fr). The Lakers actually traded their number 28 pick (freshman Tony Bradley for 30 senior Josh Hart).

Once you hit the second round thats when u see a lot of Juniors and Seniors along with international players drafted. The second round is really interesting because you start seeing that most of the names from that list that made an impact were Juniors and Seniors.

But going back looking at draft classes Upperclassmen almost universally have a lower bust rate but tend to get drafted later. I looked over 4 drafts back and almost every upperclassman drafted in the lottery 6/7 are at worst rotational players. Thats out of 52 players 7 were upperclassmen. The one guy Jerome Robinson was drafted last year and pundits think he is anything but a bust he was just stuck behind a deep backcourt.

NBA teams value youth a lot even though history shows he upperclassmen are safer bets. They'd rather flip the coin on youth and find that diamond in the rough. Seniors RARELY get drafted in the first round much less the lottery.
 
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JoAllan said:
According to Sports Illustrated the rule is in effect for 2019. Any player with eligibility left can enter the draft and go back to school if not drafted.

As stated above this has been discussed at length weeks ago (it’s all in effect for this year).

NBA draft agent rule and changes for 2019 explained
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Yes it's been discussed as if it's right. It's simple one article is right and one is wrong. I haven't seen enough to declare which one is accurate but the one that said it wasn't in place yet made sense
 
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Either way, I hope Grant comes back. It would be nice to land Kerry Blackshear if he comes back, or we can hope Plavsic actually comes here and can get eligible.
 
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pimo1 said:
you are 100% wrong. Look at the results of NBA drafts the past decade. Almost all early picks are freshmen and at most sophomores. And age plays a huge factor. Look at for instance most late round "steals" are Juniors and Seniors. as an example the 2017 Draft. I used 2017 instead of 2018 because those players have had 2 years. 2018 is similar but those guys have only been in the league 1 year so far.

In the first round only 3 upperclassmen were drafted in the first round starting with Kyle Kuzma (Jr.) at 27 and the last 2 picks 29,30 Josh Hart and Derrick White. Interestingly enough 2 of these guys Ended up on the Lakers along with pick 2 Lonzo Ball (fr). The Lakers actually traded their number 28 pick (freshman Tony Bradley for 30 senior Josh Hart).

Once you hit the second round thats when u see a lot of Juniors and Seniors along with international players drafted. The second round is really interesting because you start seeing that most of the names from that list that made an impact were Juniors and Seniors.

But going back looking at draft classes Upperclassmen almost universally have a lower bust rate but tend to get drafted later. I looked over 4 drafts back and almost every upperclassman drafted in the lottery 6/7 are at worst rotational players. Thats out of 52 players 7 were upperclassmen. The one guy Jerome Robinson was drafted last year and pundits think he is anything but a bust he was just stuck behind a deep backcourt.

NBA teams value youth a lot even though history shows he upperclassmen are safer bets. They'd rather flip the coin on youth and find that diamond in the rough. Seniors RARELY get drafted in the first round much less the lottery.
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One thing to consider is that Grant is very young for his class. Won't turn 21 until November 30th. He is currently younger than every junior and all but 5 sophomores who declared for the draft.

Your point is accurate, but in Grant's case, it is slightly less of a concern.
 
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It's 100% right. I was someone who thought it was wrong too. Straight from the NCAA website.

"College basketball players who request an Undergraduate Advisory Committee evaluation, participate in the NBA combine and aren’t drafted can return to school as long as they notify their athletics director of their intent by 5 p.m. the Monday after the draft."
Flexibility for going pro and getting a degree
 
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AngryButchJones said:
It's 100% right. I was someone who thought it was wrong too. Straight from the NCAA website.

"College basketball players who request an Undergraduate Advisory Committee evaluation, participate in the NBA combine and aren’t drafted can return to school as long as they notify their athletics director of their intent by 5 p.m. the Monday after the draft."
Flexibility for going pro and getting a degree
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Iirc it was the legality of the NBA rules that allowed players that declared for the draft to be picked up at any time after the draft if undrafted. Sounded like it was on the NBA to change their rules if I understood the rule correctly
 
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BruinVol said:
Iirc it was the legality of the NBA rules that allowed players that declared for the draft to be picked up at any time after the draft if undrafted. Sounded like it was on the NBA to change their rules if I understood the rule correctly
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How would that (“NBA rule”) have any effect on a kid deciding to go back to school if not drafted?

Right now if a player enters the draft but isn’t drafted, they can certainly be picked up, but they can also simply quit basketball if they want.........the NBA doesn’t own them.
 
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JoAllan said:
How would that (“NBA rule”) have any effect on a kid deciding to go back to school if not drafted?

Right now if a player enters the draft but isn’t drafted, they can certainly be picked up, but they can also simply quit basketball if they want.........the NBA doesn’t own them.
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The issue as I understood the article was that was if the player went back to school the NBA had an option at any point to pick them up. Meaning in the middle of the season. I could be wrong but that's how I read it. Wish I could find it now but can't locate it
 
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For what it’s worth one mock draft has him playing for the spurs at 19 and another has him going early 30’s in the second round to philly and admiral going to Charlotte.
 
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I'll be looking for him next season, at TBA or elsewhere. 1st round, 2nd round, doesn't matter; another year with us likely won't change his draft stock. Enjoyed watching this kid grow into a man at UT. Sacrificed an Ivy League education to play here. He is one who gave his all: Williams owes us nothing. Time to move on, and best of luck to him.
 
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Williams to the Hawks would be sweet and he could play small forward with Collins at power forward and Young at point guard and Huerter at shooting guard.
 
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The only way I would come back if I was Williams was if Bone decided to come back too, and even then I'm not sure I would, nor do i think he will.

The only reason to come back is to try to win an SEC Championship and make a run at a NC, and I dont see us doing that if Bone and Williams both arent in the lineup next year.
 
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Volle said:
Peyton just loved college and didn't need the money... I think Grant is the same, and could improve his skills for the NBA by coming back, especially if he works on some moves at the 3-line-- catch & shoot, step-back, and cross-over... if he added those skills, he would shoot up into the top-10 next year.
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And didn’t want to play for Bill Parcells.
 
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2019 NBA Mock Draft: Pelicans get top pick in lottery and win chance to take Zion Williamson at No. 1

13 Miami Heat
Grant Williams | Tennessee | Jr | PF | 6-7
Strong, physically-imposing two-way player who did a little of everything at Tennessee while winning consecutive SEC Player of the Year honors. Projecting him to the NBA is seamless, too; he played primarily power forward with the Vols but showed strong flashes and skill as a perimeter player, evidenced by his 32.6% accuracy from 3-point range and off-the-dribble playmaking. He's perhaps not a star, but a safe pick for the Heat who can contribute even in a deep frontcourt rotation.
 
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Should that mock draft come to fruition, Grant and Admiral would become only the second pair of Vols to be taken in the first round of the same draft.

(You can probably guess the first pair.)
 
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Still all over the board...seeing him as high as 13 and still some that have him early 2nd round, huge range. I’m guessing it comes down to what teams tell him these next couple days that talk to him individually.
 
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