Is JG the best QB in the SEC East?

#76
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He is the polar opposite of his billing during recruiting. He has a canon arm (throws darts), very accurate throwing the football but lacks mobility. He does not seem very elusive. That being said, he is as good as any SEC QB I have seen and perfect for this offense.
 
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Is JG the best in the east ? Uh no and it is not even close. He is a nice QB but he still has too many weaknesses in his game. He has shown good intermediate throws but his long game still sucks. Every long throw is a receiver slowing down to catch a ball instead of hitting them in stride. They have lost several TDs this year because of it. He still holds the ball too long also. He's good enough to win games but I'm not seeing the greatness yet that people are proclaiming. I hope he continues improving.
 
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Lock is probably the best but JG is close. You switch Fromm and JG yesterday and Georgia wins while Tennessee probably loses.
 
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biggestvols said:
Without a doubt. Definitely a Heisman candidate next year. Especially after beating Bama next week and finishing the year undefeated.
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Lol.

Yall have been ready to run him out on a pole for two weeks.

VN takes "You are only as good as your last game" to new heights.
 
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peaygolf said:
He played great yesterday and has the ability to be very good! I'm happy for anyone that overcomes hardship and tough times through hard work!


But, to say he's the best in the East. Come on.........OP must have written The Iliad because he's a huge Homer. :p Lock, Fromm, and I will throw Shurmur in as better QB's...right now. Maybe not by the end of the year.
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Bingo. Those 3 are better as of now. JG is tougher though. The kid is like Rocky Balboa. Take a beating and gets back up. Never letting the defense the satisfaction of keeping him down. I have a ton of respect for him.
 
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Volhoops said:
Is JG the best in the east ? Uh no and it is not even close. He is a nice QB but he still has too many weaknesses in his game. He has shown good intermediate throws but his long game still sucks. Every long throw is a receiver slowing down to catch a ball instead of hitting them in stride. They have lost several TDs this year because of it. He still holds the ball too long also. He's good enough to win games but I'm not seeing the greatness yet that people are proclaiming. I hope he continues improving.
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You have to have an OL that performs to make those kinds of long throws. JG is a good QB which is something sorely lacking at many SEC teams, including UF, although Mullen some how miraculously made FF serviceable this year. If the OL improves, I think JG is going to be dangerous.
 
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LivinginthePast said:
Nah not yet . He was lucky to have some good wrs snag on some dbs. If he can keep it up yes. But doubt it.
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Even Gus was asked about his DBs post game and said JG was placing the ball so only his receivers could get it or go out of bounds. I get that he played his best game and will have some ups and downs but I don’t think he was lucky, I believe it’s called coaching. Now if Butch was still here I would call it lucky, kinda like how Butch was lucky to have Dobbs keep him a job for years.
 
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99gator said:
I can’t believe I’m going to do this, but I’ll go there.

What evidence is there to suggest JG is better than Franks?
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When the two were on the same field a few weeks ago, Franks obviously looked and played way better and got a blowout win. But let’s take a statistical look:

Completions:
Franks - 103
JG - 80

Completion %:
Franks - 56.6%
JG - 64%

TD’s:
Franks - 15
JG - 6

Yards:
Franks - 1406
JG - 1129

Rushing yards/TD’s:
Franks - 162/1
JG - 0/0

Rating:
Franks - 143.2
JG - 152.5

Wins:
Franks - 6
JG - 3

Wins against ranked opponents:
Franks - 2
JG - 1

So Franks leads in 6 categories, JG leads in 2. In all fairness, Franks has played one more game, so if JG has a monster game against Bama, he could close the gap in some of these categories. But that works both ways, as some of JG’s stats could take a hit next week too.
 
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OneVolNation said:
Yes, and that's exactly what both Coach Pruitt and Coach Malzahn said after the game!

JG and the receiving corps played All-SEC ball today. It's hard to beat 8/8 3rd down conversion of 100%.

I was proud of the whole team today and that performance was a big part of it.
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Good thing you added the 100%. Want sure that's what 8/8 was.
 
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99gator said:
I can’t believe I’m going to do this, but I’ll go there.

What evidence is there to suggest JG is better than Franks?
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From watching both play, I would take JG any day. However, the best he is right now is 3rd in the East which puts him middle of the SEC.
 
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82_VOL_83 said:
From watching both play, I would take JG any day. However, the best he is right now is 3rd in the East which puts him middle of the SEC.
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I like JG, I think he’s tough and talented. But I respectfully ask, did you watch both play on 9/22? One had 3 TD’s and zero picks and his team won by 4 TD’s. The other had two picks, a lost fumble and didn’t finish the game due to being sacked/hit/hurried all game long.
 
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Lock went from a competent/great OC to Dooley. He's a senior who threw for 4000 yards and 44 touchdowns last year. Right now JG is on pace to have 44 career touchdown passes. Lock has also had to play Georgia and Alabama. Franks, as was pointed out above, has much better stats in all but completion percentage, but we know that was because before Saturday JG threw 5 yard outs most of the time. Fromme has better stats across the board.

So much like the "Vols rebuild over, nationally relevant" thread, this one may be jumping the gun. In reality, Saturday was about the first day that JG looked like a competent college quarterback in his career. He has 10 career touchdowns, 4 interceptions and has only passed for more than 200 yards 3 times in his career. A little early to be saying he's better than too many QBs in the league.
 
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Jaws said:
I like JG, I think he’s tough and talented. But I respectfully ask, did you watch both play on 9/22? One had 3 TD’s and zero picks and his team won by 4 TD’s. The other had two picks, a lost fumble and didn’t finish the game due to being sacked/hit/hurried all game long.
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It's not a particularly fair comparison, because that was JG's worst game (by far) and one of Frank's best. Also, while it wasn't a great game for JG, at least part of the problems stemmed from O-line protection.

Over the course of the season, JG has been the better QB. He's averaging over 9 yards per attempt, while Franks is around 7.7 ypa. Franks throws an INT every 36 attempts, while JG throws one every 63 attempts. JG completes 64% of his passes, while Franks only completes 56%. The only real case for Franks over JG is his scrambling ability. Fwiw, though, my contrarian take on the SEC QBs is that Franks might be better than Lock. I think people are overrating Lock, Shurmur, and Bentley.

That said, my position that JG is the 2nd best or maybe even the best QB in the SEC East isn't really as dramatic as people think. Statistically, he's easily the 2nd best and Fromm has an abundance of riches that JG does not. But I don't particularly think any of the SEC East QBs are "elite" or "great" right now.

If I were to rate all the SEC QBs, I'd go:

(1) Tua Tagovailoa, Bama
(2) Kellen Mond, A&M
(3) Jordan Ta'amu, Ole Miss
(4) Jake Fromm, Georgia
(5) Jarrett Guarantano, Tennessee
(6) Jarrett Stidham, Auburn
(7) Feleipe Franks, Florida
(8) Drew Lock, Mizzou
(9) Jake Bentley, South Carolina
(10) Nick Fitzgerald, Miss State (*)
(11) Joe Burrow, LSU
(12) Kyle Shurmur, Vanderbilt
(13) Terry Wilson, Kentucky
(14) Ty Storey, Arkansas


(*) Let's be honest --- Fitzgerald is a Running Back and his performance as a QB has dropped off considerably since Dan Mullen left Starkville --- and also worth noting that Franks' performance improved significantly the moment Mullen arrived.
 
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82_VOL_83 said:
Good thing you added the 100%. Want sure that's what 8/8 was.
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Well, actually it was the conversion rate percentage of 3rd downs with 8 yards or more to go that he was 8 for 8. I couldn't tell if you were being sincere or sarcastic, but since there was no blue font I'm giving you the benefit of the faith. But if you were trying to be sarcastic and just failed to use the blue font, thinking that 8/8 and 100% were redundant just because they're equal, then the joke is on you when a system you rely on fails and there's no backup because of how ridiculous the concept of fault tolerance was to you.
 
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#100
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JG has made huge strides, but I don’t think he’s there yet...accuracy and improved long ball have improved greatly...

Still needs to step up into pocket more...awful flat footed on deep drops...

Developing nicely though...
 
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