Recruiting Forum Football Talk [RIP 9.3.2019]

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It appears that our schemes so far this year have been the same every game. Run run run and run some more. Instead of scheming against the weaknesses of your opponent we’re forcing a square peg into a round hole. No adjustments. Stick to the game plan regardless of the circumstances. If your not trying to exploit the weaknesses of the other team then what are you doing? What worked at Bama ain’t gonna work here. Gonna earn your money if your gonna be successful here.
 
I have read through everything yesterday and this morning and folks undoubtedly bring up great points, opinions, and different ways of looking at things. The only thing I don't understand is how a few on here are almost defending Helton/Pruitt with the play calling/selection, saying it is our O line... I think that is just a flat excuse. Helton is NOT Larry Scott, a first time O coordinator and has much more experience overall with offensive schemes.
He has seen tape, practice, and worked with this entire offense for months. At this point (3 games under your belt), if you cannot come up with a scheme that plays to your team's strengths or even semi-strengths instead of forcing a round peg in a square hole, then you don't have any business being in that paid position. O line is not an excuse because he knows and works with the O line/offense every day. I watched the game again yesterday and there were so many opportunities for us to keep their D off guard with some simple play calling adjustments. Just don't be so predictable and keep them guessing. Roll JG out to give them a few more seconds, a couple of quick slants on first, etc...
The predictable, almost lazy run up the middle twice and throw on 3rd down doesn't cut it. I hope that is not the best he can do against a decent defense at best, or he has no business being there. There are certainly many other issues that need to get fixed and adjusted, especially from a player/mental standpoint, and Pruitt will get it done, but the play calling was awful.
You can pretty much guarantee every team moving forward will just simply stack the box on first and second, then drop back on third... until we change something.
 
Since it's about JG now - I posted this line of thought previously like a few posters - he has nearly zero pocket awareness. If the pocket forms around him he will stay in it and throws the ball well. However, he rarely steps up or laterally to adjust. That means the blockers need to be nearly flawless. When they are not and he doesn't adjust bad things have happened. Add in he simply cannot read D's pre-snap and is mediocre reading coverages this season. He still misses wide open guys because he doesn't think/read his progressions quickly enough. Everything that is happening is tied together.

There are others ways to do the job. Contrast him to Dobbs. Dobbs had great pocket awareness. He looked for two receivers and if nothing found a lane to run either by coaches instruction or instinct, probably the later, because of a mediocre to poor O-line. He was good at pre-snap reads and mediocre at coverage until he got to the NFL and had a real QB coach. Look at Bray even. He would drift laterally and step up or back to stay protected. He was decent at pre-snap reads and good at coverage. He succeeded despite limited mobility because of those abilities plus the big arm behind a quality O-line. He also had a real QB coach. They are two back-up NFL QB's who played for two sorry HC's - so it can be done in any system/scheme.

Have you ever seen any real pocket awareness, pre-snap read ability or strong ability to read coverages in JG yet? Nope. Can't blame it on Helton - he's proved he knows what he's doing with QB's. None was shown under Butch. It doesn't appear to be a natural skillset with him. There still may be time for it to develop if they are willing to let him potentially get messed up for life while losing nearly every game behind a makeshift O-line. Maybe they are. But if it was me calling the shots Chryst would be in there and I would be placing my future success on the shoulders of Shrout and Mauer. Chryst is stronger, knows what he sees quicker, is mobile, and is a rental in a total rebuilding year. There's rarely time for the longer routes that may benefit from JG's arm.
 
I've gotten over the game result. I'm heading to athens Saturday morning and I expect a blow out. One thing I cant get over is the disrespect these players gave to the fanbase, boosters, former and current players that actually "Give their all".

A microcosm of that is the JG late hit and the OL just stood around. This fires me up and if I am on the staff, I'm replacing their helmets with pink ones until they show they aren't sissies. Every player that quit, every player that slacked is getting ripped apart by fitz. Personally, I would prefer to clear the house and get them setup with the intramural patty cake team.

The coaching staff isnt mid major level. They know what a championship team looks like. Were there things that the staff could have done differently ? Of course. But these players need to be held accountable for a majority of it. Horseshit effort, chickenshit mentality and an entitled disrespectful middle finger to everyone that is involved in supporting them.

I hope they are able to learn from this sooner rather than later. They dont deserve a full stadium right now after last week. Luckily for them, they have time to end the season on a positive note. I hope they do.
 
I can't believe how bad they are. Two five stars and other highly regarded players and we are FCS level bad.
its mentality. they need pink you know what hats. I'm not gonna sugar coat it. they seemed soft and then when they watched JG get hit like he did with zero retaliation, I lost respect for every single one of them as men. If they react to that, a flag may have been thrown for the hit.

it fires me up because I could never imagine letting that slide. even at 5'10, I would have gotten in Jeffersons face.
 
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its mentality. they need pink you know what hats. I'm not gonna sugar coat it. they seemed soft and then when they watched JG get hit like he did with zero retaliation, I lost respect for every single one of them as men. If they react to that, a flag may have been thrown for the hit.

it fires me up because I could never imagine letting that slide. even at 5'10, I would have gotten in Jeffersons face.
Yea, that was an embarrassment. What's got me confused is it seems TS was better last year. You'd think with Fitz and a new coach he'd be even more dominant.

If we'd gotten in his face or retaliated I'm about 100% certain we'd have drawn the flag and probably someone would have been ejected.

I'm surprised that the media hasn't really been out front with the story. It's obvious the thug was trying to mess up JG's knee.
 
Yea, that was an embarrassment. What's got me confused is it seems TS was better last year. You'd think with Fitz and a new coach he'd be even more dominant.

If we'd gotten in his face or retaliated I'm about 100% certain we'd have drawn the flag and probably someone would have been ejected.

I'm surprised that the media hasn't really been out front with the story. It's obvious the thug was trying to mess up JG's knee.
I think, at worst, two offsetting penalties would have been called. it might also spark some passion in the OL.
 
We turned the ball over 6 times, in CRUCIAL, TERRIBLE places, and you're stressing coaching as the reason why we got blown out...and I'M being the ridiculous one?! Whatever makes you feel better, bro.
Why isn’t it ok to question both player execution and play calling? I haven’t seen anyone calling for Pruitt’s head in this thread, just saying Helton’s play calling was questionable. Why does that make some people so mad?

Pruitt has his work cut out for him. He has the defense in position. Just needs to figure out the offense and get some better players in here. Gonna be a long season.

Oh also, I’m not in the “got completely outcoached camp”, just think OC has to not be so predictable and offensive personnel decisions need to be better.
 
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If my memory serves, he was a yard deep when he caught it. Absolutely, you bring that out, period...only an idiot would coach anything different.
Should we put someone like Marquez Calloway back there? Wait a minute, he muffed a punt last week, so...
You put who you believe gives the best chance at success. If they don't execute, it's in them.
Uh, you might bring it out if it's a yard deep and you might not. It is definitely not an "absolutely you do." And, he brought it ought, got tackled before the 25 and fumbled. The game was already over, but that really was pretty much the final dagger.
 
Because of some technical limitations, if it's the last post in a thread, it shows that way.
Yea, I've noticed that. As soon as someone else post it disappears.

Also, I've noticed that if there are no new post in a thread it takes you to the very first post, the original thread starter post.
 
Dumbest rule in football. I would say the same thing if it had happened to FL. How do you change possession without the defense touching the ball? It's idiocy.
Agreed, if it's fumbled out of the endzone it should go back to the offense where it was fumbled because NO ONE RECOVERED IT.
 
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Well... I guess I'm ready to blend my noise in with the discussion you've already got going.

1. 99 Problems, and 'bout all of 'em are OL: For whatever reason, lack of size, strength, talent, buy in... our OL is continually awful, and our All-American Trey Smith has not been up to All-SEC level yet. This severely hampers Helton, who is not completely off the hook in his playcalling. However, I believe Will Friend is a very good OL coach, which means it is a matter of time, and not "if ever" regarding the OL. I said after the WV game that it would take a minimum of 3 years before this team looks anything like what we hope (8+ wins) and I still say that is accurate. Friend needs his dudes in here building, and he needs the dudes that are already here building. They absolutely do not have the stuff right now. Frankly speaking, outside of Trey Smith, I don't think anyone beyond current Freshmen will amount to much on this team. Play out of neccesity, because there is nothing else, but would not play on a team of OL like we are trying to build.

2. Helton's Hell:
This leads me to point two. First of all, Helton probably has 70% limitation in his play calling based on what the OL is giving him. Shocking. Elite OC's still find a way to be somewhat productive even with OL deficincies. It is nearly to the point of working magic though. One thing is clear, Helton is not an elite OC 4 games into his first full-time gig. He's not even been good. The predictability of the offense is because he's squeezed into a 30% mould, and he is honestly struggling how to make it work. Best case scenario, is he grows from this. Worst case, is he continues forward hard headed, and we continue to run the ball 26 times on first down. A chef needs ingredients to cook, and an OC needs an OL to score. The chef can still get something on the table if you give him leftovers, but don't expect Michelin Star quality. Helton's cooking with leftovers.

3. Execution vs. Scheme: We have to look objectively at what is going wrong here. So much of these issues are arising from player mis-executions. Now, if you like to find fault with the coaches in every single thing, you would argue that they should have them better prepared, taught, etc. If you defend the coaches, you say "they aren't on the field". The truth is probably somewhat in the middle, but time after time, I see where things should work, but the players don't make it work. The Pope fumble on a brilliant call and routine extension towards the goal line, the onside kick that was perfectly executed, and somehow it looks like the Tennessee players don't realize they can destroy the Florida player there. Low snap fumble, blindside strip sack, INT... so much of this is execution.

Now when we look at scheme, we've already discussed the offense, and how the OL is limiting an OC who hasn't been able to do much to counter that. Defensively, this team played well. I want to draw attention to 4 Florida scoring plays:


A. 38 yard TD pass to Cleveland: Theo Jackson is in absolutely perfect position, but can't find the ball on his outside shoulder on a tightly thrown pass to the endzone. It was a brilliant pass, but the player is in position to defend that ball.

B. 65 yard TD pass to Swain: Great coverage by TN secondary flushes Franks out of the pocket. Inexplicably, the TN DB, Flowers or Jackson from memory drops coverage to come up into no man's land if Franks tucks it. Franks has not tucked it. He has it cocked and loaded, and hits a wide open Swain for a easy catch and run to the endzone.

C. 19 yard TD run to begin second half: Mentally, after the first half miscues, the Shamburger fumble took the soul of this team prior to this play. The effort was not there at all.

D. 65 yard Goal line defense TD: This was the bizarre call by Pruitt to line up in goal line defense, knowing if they got through, they would score. I really don't understand the thought process here. Maybe he knew the game was completely over, and wanted to see if they would man up for a single play... I don't know, but Florida scored. If Tennessee takes care of A, B, C, you probably never see D.

So with these plays, you have 3 mis-executions, and one schematic problem that would never be made if the game was within striking distance. Of course you can't cherry pick what to keep and lose in a game, but look at what these 4 errors cost.

187 yards = 48% of Florida's offensive production.

Florida was a dismal 3-11 on 3rd downs. That's good overall defense. This game is not on the coaches. The players allowed big plays and turned it over.
Bravo. Good post
 
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I've gotten over the game result. I'm heading to athens Saturday morning and I expect a blow out. One thing I cant get over is the disrespect these players gave to the fanbase, boosters, former and current players that actually "Give their all".

A microcosm of that is the JG late hit and the OL just stood around. This fires me up and if I am on the staff, I'm replacing their helmets with pink ones until they show they aren't sissies. Every player that quit, every player that slacked is getting ripped apart by fitz. Personally, I would prefer to clear the house and get them setup with the intramural patty cake team.

The coaching staff isnt mid major level. They know what a championship team looks like. Were there things that the staff could have done differently ? Of course. But these players need to be held accountable for a majority of it. Horseshit effort, chickenshit mentality and an entitled disrespectful middle finger to everyone that is involved in supporting them.

I hope they are able to learn from this sooner rather than later. They dont deserve a full stadium right now after last week. Luckily for them, they have time to end the season on a positive note. I hope they do.

Preach.
 
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