Recruiting Forum Football Talk [RIP 9.3.2019]

[SugarCC]

I mean you could easily question having a DB who doesn't handle the ball returning kicks.

Didn't Marquez Calloway muff a punt last week? And that's what he is on scholarship for, to literally CATCH THE FOOTBALL. Maybe we should question that decision, too?

 

[volfanCLT]

We can sign all the 5* QBs, RBs, and WRs we want to, won’t make a difference until the line is fixed.

Take 10 OL this class if we need to. Both lines need to be fixed before we start the ascension.

 

[Nashvegas31]

This is all very obvious to me. I don’t see how anyone could argue against it.

As hard as it was to watch I still felt like if he just had the players they would be in the right spots to make plays. Especially defensively. Very rare does he have the wrong call in place on that side.

I can't stand how bad our kids hang their head. Even the QB. JG isn't to blame for mistakes this year but he also doesn't lead this team. He always has this look about him like dang. Dobbs would go get everyone on the same page even in bad games that led to comebacks. JG sits in the chair with this stunned look. That stuff rubs off when it's your QB. It's got to be hard because he ain't getting help but he has to overcome that and not show it getting to him

 

[InVOLuntary]

Let you in on a little something, whenever you use quotation marks, you're indicating someone said what you're repeating. If they never said it, it's not a quote. With that being said, do I think our players "suck"? Yes, many of them, to the point they cannot execute WHATEVER is called.

Do I think the playcalling is perfect? Nowhere near it. Actually, it's quite puzzling sometimes, I admit...along with personnel choices. Yes, coaches have to get better, as well. But last night, playcalling and coaching is so far down on the list of what went wrong, we should get to it around Wednesday or Thursday, after discussing EVERYTHING ELSE that led to the loss. MANY calls were made last night to be in that game, and win it, they just weren't executed properly, disasterously even. SIX TURNOVERS! THAT'S why we lost last night in embarrassing fashion. I don't care if it's Alabama, they give the ball up SIX TIMES, they're getting trucked, as well.

Bad, terrible, disappointing OL, TE, and H Back play, THAT'S why we lost last night. Couldn't run, couldn't protect QB...recipe for disaster, period

This whole thing is about being outcoached. Yes, they outcoached us in the sense that they got the win. But, our coaching and their coaching is about #25 on the list of how they got the win.

To end, whatever was said about Kiffin, Dooley, or Butch was said by someone other than me. I joined VN now that Jeremy Pruitt has taken over, all because, yes, imo HE IS THE GUY to get us back. I'm giving ALL THE ROOM HE NEEDS to do it. Does he have to be better? Absolutely. Does Helton have to be better? Absolutely. They will be. Pruitt, just like every HC, past, present and future, is learning how to be one.

This team can be summed up by the old saying, "you can't teach an old dog new tricks". As good as I think Pruitt is, and will be...I was wrong in thinking him and the others are miracle workers.

Other coaches take over programs and improve them. This staff is not, yet. Yes, many of the turnovers were directly attributal to coaching decisions.

And by the way, I know what quotation marks mean. This is a message board not a term paper. Get over it.

 

[Chief Vol 13]

There is only one thing to do... cheat like hell sign, these elite classes by any means possible.

I don't care what it takes. Million dollar handshakes screw it

 

[SugarCC]

How about instructing him not to bring it out? How about choosing him as the one to receive the ko?

If my memory serves, he was a yard deep when he caught it. Absolutely, you bring that out, period...only an idiot would coach anything different.
Should we put someone like Marquez Calloway back there? Wait a minute, he muffed a punt last week, so...
You put who you believe gives the best chance at success. If they don't execute, it's in them.

 

[HankHill]

Other coaches take over programs and improve them. This staff is not, yet. Yes, many of the turnovers were directly attributal to coaching decisions.

And by the way, I know what quotation marks mean. This is a message board not a term paper. Get over it.

Which turnovers were directly attributed to coaching?

 

[Ulysees E. McGill]

I want to take this opportunuity to congratulate UK on that win...I was dead wrong about the game..Kentucky is even better than I thought they were, and I have said for weeks they are a solid team. They are better than solid, they are a dang good football team.

Stoops has proven what patience, with good coaching and continuity can do for a program.

 

[VolGee4]

Which turnovers were directly attributed to coaching?

Arguably the first two. Pope’s wasn’t. Shamburger’s wasn’t.

The safety wasn’t a great call either.

 

[mrMet]

What i would like to see against UGA:

LT- Richmond
LG- Smith
C- R. Johnson
RG- Carvin
RT- J. Johnson

Stick with this OL and go with it. It will give us at least a little push on the interior. Should be able to run a little on the left side.

RBs:
Stick with London and Chandler as your features. London has been our best in pass pro but chandler is most dynamic. Bring in banks for about 8-10 touches. Don’t care to see Jordan anymore.

WR/TEs: not many complaints out of this group. Probably need to keep DWA beside one of our tackles. Do a lot of chip and flair routes. We could use our TEs as more of a dump off or safety blanket. I would like to see Jennings in the slot more working underneath more instead of Johnson. Jennings could easily get 8 catches a game working underneath from the slot.

QB: i think JG has done ok this year. He’s took a beating, most of it not his fault but some of it is from holding the ball and not moving as much within the pocket. JG is also banged up.

So, I would give Chryst a shot to see if his internal clock is a little faster and can check us in to a little better play occasionally based off experience. Get the ball out quicker, roll the pocket more. Less outside screens, more tunnel screens and mid screens.

I know we’re probably not going to win regardless but i think of we do some of these things it could give us a could foundation to build off of heading into our bye week.

Agree with you about Jordan. I’m over him. Chandler is dynamic. Banks is that dude. London is solid

 

[HankHill]

Arguably the first two. Pope’s wasn’t. Shamburger’s wasn’t.

The safety wasn’t a great call either.

The safety was a dive play. You never try to bounce outside at your own goaline.

I don’t think JG never being able to feel backside pressure or moving in the pocket is directly related to coaching. It’s sometbkng he’s struggled with all year.

What was the 2nd turnover again?

 

[McGeesPub]

Where did I say they were great HCs and DCs?
Never said he was a great HC, never said Sherrer was a great DC, but they are some of the best coaches in the country. Have won everywhere they have been, and every head coach started somewhere.

Helton on the other hand, the jury is still out but he has had some offenses that put up great numbers.

But next level success isn’t guaranteed. In fact, I’d say their experience works against them for the state of our program.

 

[31VFL]

The safety was a dive play. You never try to bounce outside at your own goaline.

I don’t think JG never being able to feel backside pressure or moving in the pocket is directly related to coaching. It’s sometbkng he’s struggled with all year.

What was the 2nd turnover again?

The screen pass

 

[VolGee4]

The safety was a dive play. You never try to bounce outside at your own goaline.

I don’t think JG never being able to feel backside pressure or moving in the pocket is directly related to coaching. It’s sometbkng he’s struggled with all year.

What was the 2nd turnover again?

It’s not just the plays themselves. It’s what led up to them. Two straight runs put us at 3rd and 7. Then JG didn’t see the rush from the left.

Second one was after Smith’s penalty. Granted, that was on him. But then we called two designed QB runs. Then a screen pass where JG stared him down.

The safety is more about personnel. Why Jordan? Then, we weren’t blocking the dive play well anyway.

Also, we ran a toss sweep to London on 3rd and one before the Pope 4th down play. Again, personnel.

 

[InVOLuntary]

If my memory serves, he was a yard deep when he caught it. Absolutely, you bring that out, period...only an idiot would coach anything different.
Should we put someone like Marquez Calloway back there? Wait a minute, he muffed a punt last week, so...
You put who you believe gives the best chance at success. If they don't execute, it's in them.

No you don't automatically bring that out. That's asinine. Many dont bring kicks out that are in the endzone. He brought out several and didn't make the 20.

How about take a knee and put it on the 25?

 

[jjay2518]

If my memory serves, he was a yard deep when he caught it. Absolutely, you bring that out, period...only an idiot would coach anything different.
Should we put someone like Marquez Calloway back there? Wait a minute, he muffed a punt last week, so...
You put who you believe gives the best chance at success. If they don't execute, it's in them.

Are you not aware of the new rule change? He muffed it at the one, picked it up, and ran. This year the player can signal a touchback anywhere inside the 25 and the ball comes out to the 25. After he muffed it there was no way he was going to get anywhere near the 25. He 100% should have signaled a touchback.

 

[Skizer41]

We didn’t go the Brinks model with the head coach...a coach that knows how to build a program.

You would need more than one Brinks truck to very someone like that. And I honestly I'm starting to lean towards the argument of no one wants to come here. There is a portion of the fan base that would fire Pruitt after that lose. Seriously?!?! It blows my mind how some people can't see what terrible shape the program is in. It's like we hired someone to play a round of golf and expecting then to shoot a great score but they can only tee off with a putter. Offensive play calling. Yes I understand the criticism too some degree. I don't understand why its four weeks into a bare cupboard season and people are questioning his abilities.

 

[InVOLuntary]

Which turnovers were directly attributed to coaching?

The pass int that JG threw while wasn't directly it was a result of poor play calling on 1st and second down. The failure to tell sham to take a knee on the kickoff despite his failures to get any meaningful yardage to that point. Handing the ball off 6 yards deep in the end zone when with an online that can't help but give up the Los on about every play to a back who is notorious for dancing in the hole.

 

[jjay2518]

Didn't Marquez Calloway muff a punt last week? And that's what he is on scholarship for, to literally CATCH THE FOOTBALL. Maybe we should question that decision, too?

The really strong gusting wind had a little something to do with that. Also I was referring to not carrying the ball high and tight and it getting knocked loose on a tackle. Your example isn't relevant.

 

[volatil]

Other coaches take over programs and improve them. This staff is not, yet. Yes, many of the turnovers were directly attributal to coaching decisions.

And by the way, I know what quotation marks mean. This is a message board not a term paper. Get over it.

 

[SugarCC]

There were some nice decisions that could have should have worked.

However the bottom line if they had worked we still would have lost because they were few and far between as we were out coached.

I hope you realize it's easier to say Pruitt got his ass handed to him and he can and will better than he didn't get outcoached at all.

Nothing to realize, just because BruinVol says there is. I disagree with you, because I believe you to be wrong. That's what I realize.

You haven't the slightest idea that we would've lost. That the most absurd thing I've heard. Execution IS the game. You take off the board potential TD's (like the Pope play), drives, momentum shifts because of said potential TD's and drives, it's the ball game. We go in and score there, we're sky high, they aren't. Who knows what comes next? Instead we fumble, now we're low as we can go, they're sky high, and we know what happened next.
We get the onside kick, we're sky high, with potential to cut it to 14-10, after disasterious start. Now they're low. Who knows what comes next? What happened? We failed to get onside kick, because 5 Vols couldn't take it away from 1 Gator, and they go down and score. They're sky high even more, and we are low as we can go.

And as I keep saying, I can go on and on with examples of failed execution or turnovers being what got us blown out, NOT being outcoached.

Learn the game of football, dude. Learn about execution, sustain drives, momentum, and taking advantage of opportunities when given them.

 

[volfanCLT]

That Pope fumble was an absolute kick to the nads

 

[jjay2518]

That Pope fumble was an absolute kick to the nads

Dumbest rule in football. I would say the same thing if it had happened to FL. How do you change possession without the defense touching the ball? It's idiocy.

 

[KB5252]

The offensive coaches need to settle on an o line and let them build repoir, learn each other etc. They need stability and repitition at their position.

Health and need may not allow this to happen but it is what they need as a unit if they are to improve.

 

[SugarCC]

Never said he did. You are being ridiculous with this. Of course the players made mistakes. But it’s also the coach’s job to put them in positions to succeed and exploit the other team’s weaknesses. The offensive staff did not do that. Turnovers can be a result of down and distance. I believe the first two were on third down, and the Pope play was good by we were forced to go on 4th down.

First 6 series: 3rd and 5 (1st down); 3rd and 7 (INT); 3rd and 23 (INT after two JG runs); 3rd and 7 (1st down); 3rd and 12 (8 yards); 4th and 4 (turnover on downs); 3rd and 6 (FG); 2nd and 10 (safety); 3rd and 1 ( toss sweep to London); 4th and 1 (great call to Pope)

That’s just not a recipe for success.

We turned the ball over 6 times, in CRUCIAL, TERRIBLE places, and you're stressing coaching as the reason why we got blown out...and I'M being the ridiculous one?! Whatever makes you feel better, bro.