Recruiting Forum Football Talk [RIP 9.3.2019]

[volfanCLT]

I mean you could easily question having a DB who doesn't handle the ball returning kicks.

Like Evan Berry?

You know, a DB who didn’t handle the ball

 

[BigOrange15]

I’m not disputing that! But the same **** was said about Florida all year last year and coming into this game and somehow they got over it. What’s the difference? They lost just as many games as we did last year. They had a coaching change just like we did. They had a total schematic change on both sides of the ball just like we did. Why were they able to come out and shove our faces in the dirt?

I don't think CJM had the same demoralizing effect on them as CBJ did on ours tbh. They could rebound because they weren't mentally broken, CJM just couldn't get it done. CBJ mishandled this program and these players so badly that they are all irreparably broken. That was the difference imo.

 

[SugarCC]

One play?

Come on man.


The offensive plan gave their DL the ability to pin their ears back and play the run on 1st and 2nd down and rush the passer on 3rd. That's obvious as hell and it ain't debatable


Now as far as our defensive plan. I agree it's debable that our coaches weren't our coaches. However the excessive lopsided margin on the other side makes up for that.

As I said, I could go on. The onside kick was a good call. It was there, we should have had it. 2 throws to DWA, one in the end zone...good calls, JG overthrew. I can keep going, but I won't.

Listen, yes, some of the playcalling was puzzling, personnel choices, as well. But, to say outcoached in every facet doesn't hold water, ESPECIALLY with 6 turnovers. When that happens, EVERYTHING flies out the window.

However, back to that "one play". It was a GREAT call. Ever hear the ole adage, 'football is a game of inches'. It's plays like that where those inches are found. 1 or 2 plays can make an ENTIRE football game. Instead of being able to go in and score there, we gave the ball back to them, AGAIN. What if we are able to score there?

 

[31VFL]

The playcalling was overly predictable, especially on first down. Also, JG has limitations and they didn't put him in great spots to succeed.

That being said, as I noted in another post, I thought Pruitt's aggressiveness was nice and the defensive gameplan was very solid. The players simply didn't execute.

-Simonton on being out coached

 

[MrVolton]

All those turnovers were a result of the team being underprepared both schematically and mentally. You can say the players made those errors - and they did - but there’s a reason Pruitt’s players made those errors (with 100,000 people behind them) and Mullen’s players didn’t (with 100,000 people against them).

This is more like it. Take play calling out of it. The team did seem mentally unprepared, and that is on the coaches.

 

[Bassmaster_Vol]

-Simonton on being out coached

I agree the offensive gameplan and play calling was bad. But even still, hard to blame the coaches for all the turnovers. I feel like we’re a pretty good defensive team tho. Well coached there

 

[volfanCLT]

-Simonton on being out coached

I agree with this. Thought the defense was in good positions, for the most part. Execution needs to improve.

Offense is a different story. Helton isn’t putting us in positions to succeed.

 

[OrangenSC]

Yeah, there was plenty of blame to go around with both players and coaches.

And this pretty much sums it up. This was a team effort. It was bad. Some of it understandable, some not so much. It's never as simple as some want to make it sound.

 

[BruinVol]

As I said, I could go on. The onside kick was a good call. It was there, we should have had it. 2 throws to DWA, one in the end zone...good calls, JG overthrew. I can keep going, but I won't.

Listen, yes, some of the playcalling was puzzling, personnel choices, as well. But, to say outcoached in every facet doesn't hold water, ESPECIALLY with 6 turnovers. When that happens, EVERYTHING flies out the window.

However, back to that "one play". It was a GREAT call. Ever hear the ole adage, 'football is a game of inches'. It's plays like that where those inches are found. 1 or 2 plays can make an ENTIRE football game. Instead of being able to go in and score there, we gave the ball back to them, AGAIN. What if we are able to score there?

There were some nice decisions that could have should have worked.

However the bottom line if they had worked we still would have lost because they were few and far between as we were out coached.

I hope you realize it's easier to say Pruitt got his ass handed to him and he can and will better than he didn't get outcoached at all.

 

[Catbone]

With the embarrassment of an OL we have it didn't matter what play we called most of the time.

 

[Nash_Vol97]

And some thought that the Tiger effect was no more.

 

[VolGee4]

How did Dan Mullen outcoach Jeremy Pruitt on Shamburger's fumble, giving them the ball, AGAIN, inside their own 20?

Never said he did. You are being ridiculous with this. Of course the players made mistakes. But it’s also the coach’s job to put them in positions to succeed and exploit the other team’s weaknesses. The offensive staff did not do that. Turnovers can be a result of down and distance. I believe the first two were on third down, and the Pope play was good by we were forced to go on 4th down.

First 6 series: 3rd and 5 (1st down); 3rd and 7 (INT); 3rd and 23 (INT after two JG runs); 3rd and 7 (1st down); 3rd and 12 (8 yards); 4th and 4 (turnover on downs); 3rd and 6 (FG); 2nd and 10 (safety); 3rd and 1 ( toss sweep to London); 4th and 1 (great call to Pope)

That’s just not a recipe for success.

 

[MrVolton]

I agree the offensive gameplan and play calling was bad. But even still, hard to blame the coaches for all the turnovers. I feel like we’re a pretty good defensive team tho. Well coached there

Defense looked like it quit at 33-13 to me.

 

[MetalVolunteer]

All those turnovers were a result of the team being underprepared both schematically and mentally. You can say the players made those errors - and they did - but there’s a reason Pruitt’s players made those errors (with 100,000 people behind them) and Mullen’s players didn’t (with 100,000 people against them).

Disagree. I have full confidence in this staff. They are some of the best in the game today and you can’t say otherwise. Cause they have won EVERYWHERE they have been. They have put plenty of kids in the league.

They can only do so much. If the players don’t have it between the ears, then you can preach, and plan and scheme all you want. These guys don’t know how to win. They fold at the slightest sign of defeat.
And until they get used to winning, or we get talent and depth built up, get used to the same ****.

No sense in bitching about reality. No sense in complaining or pumping sunshine when we are what we are. We are soft, weak, slow and only have a handful of kids that would start for any other power 5 teams.

We’ve had this losing mentality for a decade now, been beat handily by the likes of Vandy and KY for the past years, and been man handled by the other powers of the SEC.

Things can’t get much worse but fans need to realize it’s gonna take a while to be able to get where we want to get.

About had enough of people saying the OC needs to be fired or if Friend is a good OL Coach. How about we give them the players first to win with? If we get some good depth and start developing these student athletes into studs and then we can’t get it done, then I’ll shut up. But until then, let them do their job, cause like I said, they are some of the best in the game today.

I truly believe we are in good hands.

P.S. this wasn’t blasting you Kingston, just trying to get people to chill out. I have faith that the light is going to get brighter, but this season will get worse.

 

[BruinVol]

I don't get why it is so difficult to just say Pruitt and staff are green. They need to grow.

Hell they might grown like Bermuda grass is the 90degree heat. I damn sure hope so

 

[Dooby15]

I’m not disputing that! But the same **** was said about Florida all year last year and coming into this game and somehow they got over it. What’s the difference? They lost just as many games as we did last year. They had a coaching change just like we did. They had a total schematic change on both sides of the ball just like we did. Why were they able to come out and shove our faces in the dirt?

If you saw this stat line without the turnovers you wouldn’t necessarily say we got our faces shoved in the dirt. So I guess it comes down to who do you blame the turnovers on. I’d say some both players and coaches. Pope’s was all on him and really deflated the stadium.

 

[Kingston Vol]

Disagree. I have full confidence in this staff. They are some of the best in the game today and you can’t say otherwise. Cause they have won EVERYWHERE they have been. They have put plenty of kids in the league.

They can only do so much. If the players don’t have it between the ears, then you can preach, and plan and scheme all you want. These guys don’t know how to win. They fold at the slightest sign of defeat.
And until they get used to winning, or we get talent and depth built up, get used to the same ****.

No sense in bitching about reality. No sense in complaining or pumping sunshine when we are what we are. We are soft, weak, slow and only have a handful of kids that would start for any other power 5 teams.

We’ve had this losing mentality for a decade now, been beat handily by the likes of Vandy and KY for the past years, and been man handled by the other powers of the SEC.

Things can’t get much worse but fans need to realize it’s gonna take a while to be able to get where we want to get.

About had enough of people saying the OC needs to be fired or if Friend is a good OL Coach. How about we give them the players first to win with? If we get some good depth and start developing these student athletes into studs and then we can’t get it done, then I’ll shut up. But until then, let them do their job, cause like I said, they are some of the best in the game today.

I truly believe we are in good hands.

P.S. this wasn’t blasting you Kingston, just trying to get people to chill out. I have faith that the light is going to get brighter, but this season will get worse.

Brother, I understand that we’re all frustrated.

I think some of us are just pointing out that the signs aren’t good up to this point. Doesn’t mean things can’t change - and we’re all hoping they do.

 

[jjay2518]

I don't get why it is so difficult to just say Pruitt and staff are green. They need to grow.

Hell they might grown like Bermuda grass is the 90degree heat. I damn sure hope so

And that doesn't mean he won't be good. Derek Mason was a disaster his first year at Vandy. He got roasted mercilessly for the comment about losing his sideline cheat sheet. Now he seems to have a pretty good handle on the team.

Even if Pruitt ends up looking a little over his head this year, I still think he's got a ton of potential.

 

[McGeesPub]

Disagree. I have full confidence in this staff. They are some of the best in the game today and you can’t say otherwise. Cause they have won EVERYWHERE they have been. They have put plenty of kids in the league.

They can only do so much. If the players don’t have it between the ears, then you can preach, and plan and scheme all you want. These guys don’t know how to win. They fold at the slightest sign of defeat.
And until they get used to winning, or we get talent and depth built up, get used to the same ****.

No sense in bitching about reality. No sense in complaining or pumping sunshine when we are what we are. We are soft, weak, slow and only have a handful of kids that would start for any other power 5 teams.

We’ve had this losing mentality for a decade now, been beat handily by the likes of Vandy and KY for the past years, and been man handled by the other powers of the SEC.

Things can’t get much worse but fans need to realize it’s gonna take a while to be able to get where we want to get.

About had enough of people saying the OC needs to be fired or if Friend is a good OL Coach. How about we give them the players first to win with? If we get some good depth and start developing these student athletes into studs and then we can’t get it done, then I’ll shut up. But until then, let them do their job, cause like I said, they are some of the best in the game today.

I truly believe we are in good hands.

P.S. this wasn’t blasting you Kingston, just trying to get people to chill out. I have faith that the light is going to get brighter, but this season will get worse.

So Pruitt has precedent as one of the best head coaches in the game? Sherrer one of the best DCs? Helton one of the best OCs? When did all of this happen?

Look, I’m not saying the Peter principle applies yet, but it’s a thing, you know. These guys haven’t demonstrated any success at their current level.

 

[MetalVolunteer]

Brother, I understand that we’re all frustrated.

I think some of us are just pointing out that the signs aren’t good up to this point. Doesn’t mean things can’t change - and we’re all hoping they do.

I agree Kingston, I have to temper my expectations until we get a couple recruiting classes in here.

Think Pruitt and company is trying to make a Mountain out of a molehill.

 

[LaagerVol]

I wouldn't say outcoached in every fashion.

Jordan blocking the outside rusher should have been a no brainer. Avoid the fumble there and no Florida TD. That's player problem.

Onside kick should have been easy but Theo Jackson doesn't block the 1 guy that make sure it is the easiest onside kick recovery ever for Taylor. This leads to bad field position Saftey and ensuing TD where Warrior quit on tackle. Player problems

Pope fumbles smh. Player problem.

Shamburger fumble wa lazy. I do wonder why the f he was even back there instead of chandler

Pruitt tried to put his guys in position to make big plays in big games. They couldn't step up to the plate. Callaway was given several balls to just be the playmaker and go make the play. He couldn't come down with them. Would have been seem big plays. I give some crap to refs here to thiugh. They let Henderson hold him all night.

I saw a team that had a coach that was coaching to get them back in it and put them in spots to do so but they didn't have the will to do it. I probably would have fed Jennings more. He seemed ready last night.

The coaching that I have an issue with is predictable offensive playcalling. Almost near stubbornness to run on first and 2nd leading to obvious passing downs on 3rd. It's not helping the OL issues. I don't know who the problem is there though. I feel like we are actually better pass blockers right now the run blockers. And we run better outside on tosses than inside but we seem set to run down middle.

Smith needs to play guard. He isn't not good at LT. We need him at LG.

This is all very obvious to me. I don’t see how anyone could argue against it.

 

[Glocker_Alum_2005]

Give Pruitt and staff time. Wasn't Helton a decent OC at WkU? Yeah with this OL and change in scheme, we are going to suck this year. With some luck and a more forgiving schedule we can get to 6-7 wins. Year 3 = 8-4. After that we should be relatively competitive with most, and hey who knows maybe Saban will retire by 2021.

 

[BruinVol]

Give Pruitt and staff time. Wasn't Helton a decent OC at WkU? Yeah with this OL and change in scheme, we are going to suck this year. With some luck and a more forgiving schedule we can get to 6-7 wins. Year 3 = 8-4. After that we should be relatively competitive with most, and hey who knows maybe Saban will retire by 2021.

He wasn't the "OC" at wku

 

[SugarCC]

Did you not see my post above? I cited three examples. Your response "our players suck".
Listen, you can anoint these coaches as the second coming of Saban but I've seen nothing to show me these guys are anything but learning how to coach at this level.

It's funny how much OF a broken record this is. Kiffin comes in.... He gets a pass, Fulmer left him with nothing.

Dooley, It's year zero. Kiffin nuked the program. He's got nothing to work with.
Butch... Dooley never recruited lineman, Butch is a great coach just doesn't have anything to work with.

Maybe Pruitt will get better but his team's have been ill prepared, they've it consistently out schemes anyone. They lack motivation. Their play calling is as pedestrian as a high school game. Are they handicapped by the roster? Absolutely. Are the players handicapped by their coaches? Absolutely. There's blame to go all around.

Let you in on a little something, whenever you use quotation marks, you're indicating someone said what you're repeating. If they never said it, it's not a quote. With that being said, do I think our players "suck"? Yes, many of them, to the point they cannot execute WHATEVER is called.

Do I think the playcalling is perfect? Nowhere near it. Actually, it's quite puzzling sometimes, I admit...along with personnel choices. Yes, coaches have to get better, as well. But last night, playcalling and coaching is so far down on the list of what went wrong, we should get to it around Wednesday or Thursday, after discussing EVERYTHING ELSE that led to the loss. MANY calls were made last night to be in that game, and win it, they just weren't executed properly, disasterously even. SIX TURNOVERS! THAT'S why we lost last night in embarrassing fashion. I don't care if it's Alabama, they give the ball up SIX TIMES, they're getting trucked, as well.

Bad, terrible, disappointing OL, TE, and H Back play, THAT'S why we lost last night. Couldn't run, couldn't protect QB...recipe for disaster, period

This whole thing is about being outcoached. Yes, they outcoached us in the sense that they got the win. But, our coaching and their coaching is about #25 on the list of how they got the win.

To end, whatever was said about Kiffin, Dooley, or Butch was said by someone other than me. I joined VN now that Jeremy Pruitt has taken over, all because, yes, imo HE IS THE GUY to get us back. I'm giving ALL THE ROOM HE NEEDS to do it. Does he have to be better? Absolutely. Does Helton have to be better? Absolutely. They will be. Pruitt, just like every HC, past, present and future, is learning how to be one.

This team can be summed up by the old saying, "you can't teach an old dog new tricks". As good as I think Pruitt is, and will be...I was wrong in thinking him and the others are miracle workers.

 

[MetalVolunteer]

So Pruitt has precedent as one of the best head coaches in the game? Sherrer one of the best DCs? Helton one of the best OCs? When did all of this happen?

Look, I’m not saying the Peter principle applies yet, but it’s a thing, you know. These guys haven’t demonstrated any success at their current level.

Where did I say they were great HCs and DCs?
Never said he was a great HC, never said Sherrer was a great DC, but they are some of the best coaches in the country. Have won everywhere they have been, and every head coach started somewhere.

Helton on the other hand, the jury is still out but he has had some offenses that put up great numbers.