To Protect and to Serve II

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#5,928
Funny that the one who waved off the EMT and made the comment about her head exploding is the one who died of brain cancer.

At least her death was probably painless. The cancer was probably already eating away at his brain starting his slow and painful death.
 
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Cdywolfe said:
Funny that the one who waved off the EMT and made the comment about her head exploding is the one who died of brain cancer.

At least her death was probably painless. The cancer was probably already eating away at his brain starting his slow and painful death.
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Good riddance.
 
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DEFENDTHISHOUSE said:
Under the unchecked power of the police, no one is safe | The Seattle Times
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But as I pointed out two years ago, “Although African Americans bear the brunt of our refusal to demand accountability for police misbehavior, unchecked power ultimately has no racial loyalties.”
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This is my belief, as well. White folks have been getting shot A LOT lately by these trigger happy cops. And make no mistake, not just white cops, but by black cops, also.

This isn't about race, its about bad policing.
 
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A_Vol_n_Hog_Country said:
Um.....you do know that half of what I listed gives LEO the PC to make a traffic stop.

Though, how about the next time someone files a motor vehicle theft report, unauthorized use, or a bolo comes across for a suicidal subject, welfare check or a suspect in a crime. The officer that comes across the vehicle that matches the description goes eh, I can’t read the tag and it seems awfully intrusive to do a traffic stop so I’ll just let this go and it turns out to be that person.

I get it, you don’t like Cops and you think traffic stop are intrusive. However, contrary to your belief, traffic stops have and will continue to prevent crime, DWI’s or catch a possible suspect that has committed a crime. Just a few weeks ago an individual that killed a family of 6 ( if I recall correctly) was caught by a traffic stop. PC for stop was a broken taillight. Are you really ok with letting that guy go bc you think it’s intrusive? Yes, that happens more than you know. Oh, Timothy Mcveigh, yup you guessed it, caught on a traffic stop by an officer that wasn’t even looking for a bombing suspect.

Traffic stops might seem like they don’t serve a purpose to you and I know you will argue to your last breath defending your position but they do serve a purpose even if you don’t see the bigger picture.

I would suggest you applying to become a officer if you’d like to make a change or see if your local department has a ride along program and see what a Officer’s day is really like instead of watching YouTube videos bc even I can’t justify all the officers on there.

Finally, I’ll say this, it’s such a small portion of the LEO community that people in this thread base their opinion on. Whether it’s the media, YouTube or a bad interaction with LEO I can assure you not every officer is what you think they are. Look at Greywolf and other officers that have responded in this thread. Most are like that and not what you’ve seen.

I’ll see myself out of this thread now. Enjoy the days, weeks and years and above all GO VOLS!
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I don't have a problem with the stop in either video. It's what happened after the stop that's an issue. In video number one we have this cop telling the lady over and over "I'm not talking to you" because she wants an explanation. Real professional there. In the second, the lady in the car apologizes repeatedly while that cop continues giving her this condescending lecture. Then she has the audacity to flip a coin to decide if she's going to arrest her. I presume because she doesn't have the common sense to make a decision. IMO, both of the female cops is that second stop should be charged with kidnapping.
 
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Grand Vol said:
Yeah, not a huge fan of shooting through the window from a moving vehicle.

And that has to be the most awkward reloading I've seen in a long time.
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Adrenaline + the fear that comes with being shot at + driving through traffic running lights and sirens + shooting at murder suspects while doing all of those...

He still took both suspects down and saved lives, even if it looked awkward.
 
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Grand Vol said:
Yeah, not a huge fan of shooting through the window from a moving vehicle.

And that has to be the most awkward reloading I've seen in a long time.
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Out in some rural environment it could make more sense. In an urban environment? IDK man...that'd better be Goldfinger and Oddjob you're trying to take down.
 
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hndog609 said:
Out in some rural environment it could make more sense. In an urban environment? IDK man...that'd better be Goldfinger and Oddjob you're trying to take down.
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This is my thinking. I saw the video from some time back where the cop in OK was shooting through the windshield. Major difference was he was way out in the sticks and it wasn't a threat.

Problem here is the guy kept removing his hands from the steering wheel while shooting. And in an urban area. Just too much potential for stray bullet disaster.
 
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Sigh...

They're murder suspects.

They've shot at the officer multiple times.

They're in a crowded, urban area.



If my department, which is likely 1/10th the size of LVPD, trains on shooting through the windshield of a vehicle, then so do they.

It wasn't "dumb and reckless." It was dangerous, definitely, but you had two suspects, who had potentially already killed someone, running from and shooting at the police in a populated area.

Y'all can nitpick all you want, this guy did a great job.
 
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orangeblood79 said:
Sigh...

They're murder suspects.

They've shot at the officer multiple times.

They're in a crowded, urban area.



If my department, which is likely 1/10th the size of LVPD, trains on shooting through the windshield of a vehicle, then so do they.

It wasn't "dumb and reckless." It was dangerous, definitely, but you had two suspects, who had potentially already killed someone, running from and shooting at the police in a populated area.

Y'all can nitpick all you want, this guy did a great job.
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Calm down, guy. I tend to look at these things objectively. I just thought there were risks being taken that possibly were unnecessary.
 
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orangeblood79 said:
Sigh...

They're murder suspects.

They've shot at the officer multiple times.

They're in a crowded, urban area.



If my department, which is likely 1/10th the size of LVPD, trains on shooting through the windshield of a vehicle, then so do they.

It wasn't "dumb and reckless." It was dangerous, definitely, but you had two suspects, who had potentially already killed someone, running from and shooting at the police in a populated area.

Y'all can nitpick all you want, this guy did a great job.
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All he did was get very lucky.
 
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orangeblood79 said:
Sigh...

They're murder suspects.

They've shot at the officer multiple times.

They're in a crowded, urban area.



If my department, which is likely 1/10th the size of LVPD, trains on shooting through the windshield of a vehicle, then so do they.

It wasn't "dumb and reckless." It was dangerous, definitely, but you had two suspects, who had potentially already killed someone, running from and shooting at the police in a populated area.

Y'all can nitpick all you want, this guy did a great job.
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Shooting through a windshield of a moving vehicle AT another moving vehicle in an urban area is nothing but dumb and reckless. Especially while driving! I don't give a **** if they are firing at you, throwing more unaimed lead downrange is never a good idea.

If your department trains at doing this they need to reevaluate the leadership.
 
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Grand Vol said:
Calm down, guy. I tend to look at these things objectively. I just thought there were risks being taken that possibly were unnecessary.
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Didn't mean to come off as if I'm upset...

Was simply trying to explain that there are definitely risks involved but that the officer responded to the set of circumstances that was dealt to him, and did so without harming innocent bystanders.

Could there have been things done differently, sure, there's always things to improve but this was a dynamic situation that digressed quickly.

He did well. He stopped the threat.
 
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hog88 said:
Shooting through a windshield of a moving vehicle AT another moving vehicle in an urban area is nothing but dumb and reckless. Especially while driving! I don't give a **** if they are firing at you, throwing more unaimed lead downrange is never a good idea.

If your department trains at doing this they need to reevaluate the leadership.
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We train to shoot through windshields with the understanding that that might be necessary, as it was on this occasion.
 
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orangeblood79 said:
We train to shoot through windshields with the understanding that that might be necessary, as it was on this occasion.
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I don't mean to be a dick, you have always been pretty reasonable and seem like a good guy.

BUT! You might need more training if you think his actions were necessary.
 
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orangeblood79 said:
We train to shoot through windshields with the understanding that that might be necessary, as it was on this occasion.
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I can think of several scenarios where one might shoot through the windshield...the specific context of shooting through a windshield while driving during a high speed pursuit in an urban environment isn't one that readily comes to my mind.
 
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hog88 said:
I don't mean to be a dick, you have always been pretty reasonable and seem like a good guy.

BUT! You might need more training if you think his actions were necessary.
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Dude. They killed someone. They shot in the direction of police and hit God knows what...could other measures have been taken, sure, and we can Monday morning quarterback this all day long but, in the end, the only people harmed were the two murder suspects.

And I don't want to come off as if the only thing I'm acting concerned about is the cops, IT MOST DEFINITELY IS NOT, there are innocent people down range from all shots being fired, from all parties involved.

Innocent people, potentially (and likely) including children.

I don't take that lightly. At all.

It was an extremely dangerous shot in extraordinary circumstances but it was not careless...but it was definitely dangerous. I seriously, seriously doubt he took that shot without thinking of the potential consequences.
 
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