E.P.A. Chief Scott Pruitt (a.k.a. The Swamp Thing)

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hog88 said:
Federal EPA didn’t clean up that river.

Every state has an environmental agency so your argument is beyond ludicrous.
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My point in bringing up the Cuyahoga River fire wasn’t who cleaned it up. The fire was from the pre-EPA era and was one of the major events that led to the creation of the EPA.
 
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evillawyer said:
My point in bringing up the Cuyahoga River fire wasn’t who cleaned it up. The fire was from the pre-EPA era and was one of the major events that led to the creation of the EPA.
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All correct and at the time a federal department was needed, but it has now outlived its usefulness.
 
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hog88 said:
All correct and at the time a federal department was needed, but it has now outlived its usefulness.
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You really think having the states do all this would work? As Luther notes, water and air don't recognize state boundaries. For example, why would the Oklahoma EPA (likely led by a big oil/gas toady) have any interest in regulating a big money generating polluter located on the state line if all of it's pollutants drifted into the bordering state?
 
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evillawyer said:
You really think having the states do all this would work? As Luther notes, water and air don't recognize state boundaries. For example, why would the Oklahoma EPA (likely led by a big oil/gas toady) have any interest in regulating a big money generating polluter located on the state line if all of it's pollutants drifted into the bordering state?
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The same way the federal EPA does. Takes it to federal court, if they even decide to get involved. NC and TN just went through this.
 
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hog88 said:
The same way the federal EPA does. Takes it to federal court, if they even decide to get involved. NC and TN just went through this.
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Ok, so are you saying yes to federal standards, but no to federal enforcement of those standards?
 
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hog88 said:
No to both.
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So if there are no federal standards and I release pollutants in state A that are legal in state A but which have an effect in state B, where they are illegal, how does state B get to sue state A. State B's laws don't have extra-territorial effect.
 
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evillawyer said:
So if there are no federal standards and I release pollutants in state A that are legal in state A but which have an effect in state B, where they are illegal, how does state B get to sue state A. State B's laws don't have extra-territorial effect.
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See Arkansas vs. Oklahoma.

Happening as we speak. No need for the fed.
 
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Laura Ingraham, James Inhofe, and National Review all calling for Pruitt's head. Betcha he's out by COB Friday.
 
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evillawyer said:
So if there are no federal standards and I release pollutants in state A that are legal in state A but which have an effect in state B, where they are illegal, how does state B get to sue state A. State B's laws don't have extra-territorial effect.
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Why couldn’t state B sue state A for allowing pollutants to affect their waters?
 
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hog88 said:
Why couldn’t state B sue state A for allowing pollutants to affect their waters?
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Because state A will say that they aren't pollutants, that they are perfectly legal in their state. What gives state B more right than state A on defining what constitutes a pollutant?

Obviously there will have to be federal guidelines.
 
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luthervol said:
Because state A will say that they aren't pollutants, that they are perfectly legal in their state. What gives state B more right than state A on defining what constitutes a pollutant?

Obviously there will have to be federal guidelines.
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You probably couldn’t wipe your ass without federal guidelines.
 
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Obsessed said:
The Supreme Court

The federal level of the epa is not needed. The states are handling it themselves.
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The people of Flint, Michigan say "Hello.". In September of 2015, 40% of homes in Flint had elevated lead levels. There was a Legionnaires outbreak which resulted in 12 deaths. All I can say is that states had better be "handling it" better than Michigan did... unless you want to count the prosecutions for involuntary manslaughter as "handling it themselves".
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
The people of Flint, Michigan say "Hello.". In September of 2015, 40% of homes in Flint had elevated lead levels. There was a Legionnaires outbreak which resulted in 12 deaths. All I can say is that states had better be "handling it" better than Michigan did... unless you want to count the prosecutions for involuntary manslaughter as "handling it themselves".
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Boy, thankfully we have a federal agency to prevent stuff like that from happening.
 
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hog88 said:
He had nothing to do with the water pipes. Who in the federal government should be charged?
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Snyder appointed Darnell Earley as an emergency manager for Flint in 2014. It was Earley who was responsible for changing the source of drinking water for the city to the Flint River (which has trihalomethanes in it).

Both the Detroit Free Press and The Detroit News released details on February 26, 2016 that Valerie Bradley, Snyder's Senior Policy Adviser, and Deputy Legal Counsel Mike Gadola expressed concerns to Snyder in October of 2014, nearly six months after using the river water to save money, despite Snyder claiming that he was unaware of the issue until much later. His lack of leadership and accountability here has been an atrocity.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
Snyder appointed Darnell Earley as an emergency manager for Flint in 2014. It was Earley who was responsible for changing the source of drinking water for the city to the Flint River (which has trihalomethanes in it).

Both the Detroit Free Press and The Detroit News released details on February 26, 2016 that Valerie Bradley, Snyder's Senior Policy Adviser, and Deputy Legal Counsel Mike Gadola expressed concerns to Snyder in October of 2014, nearly six months after using the river water to save money, despite Snyder claiming that he was unaware of the issue until much later. His lack of leadership and accountability here has been an atrocity.
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They saved some money tho :whistling:
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
Snyder appointed Darnell Earley as an emergency manager for Flint in 2014. It was Earley who was responsible for changing the source of drinking water for the city to the Flint River (which has trihalomethanes in it).

Both the Detroit Free Press and The Detroit News released details on February 26, 2016 that Valerie Bradley, Snyder's Senior Policy Adviser, and Deputy Legal Counsel Mike Gadola expressed concerns to Snyder in October of 2014, nearly six months after using the river water to save money, despite Snyder claiming that he was unaware of the issue until much later. His lack of leadership and accountability here has been an atrocity.
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Sure seems like you're making a better case against this Earley guy rather than the Governor.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
Snyder appointed Darnell Earley as an emergency manager for Flint in 2014. It was Earley who was responsible for changing the source of drinking water for the city to the Flint River (which has trihalomethanes in it).

Both the Detroit Free Press and The Detroit News released details on February 26, 2016 that Valerie Bradley, Snyder's Senior Policy Adviser, and Deputy Legal Counsel Mike Gadola expressed concerns to Snyder in October of 2014, nearly six months after using the river water to save money, despite Snyder claiming that he was unaware of the issue until much later. His lack of leadership and accountability here has been an atrocity.
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Ok fire his ass up. Now who in the federal government gets his ass teed up? The federal EPA neither prevented this or has done jack to fix it?
 
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