To Protect and to Serve II

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Cdywolfe said:
But really is anybody surprised by anything that happens in Seattle?
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It's BS like that which gets cops and the general public hurt or even killed.

If this officer is punished for taking down an ice axe wielding crazy man that (again, allegedly) was threatening others and not following instructions to put it down, they put themselves and the public at risk for second guessing every decision they could make in dealing with the situation.

In that situation, they had to clear the sidewalks ahead of the guy just in case. Luckily, they got him into that area where he wouldn't be a threat to others. He got bear hugged and tackled, everyone went home alive, perp went to jail alive, job well done.
 
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Grand Vol said:
Well, this is ****ing stupid. Nobody was shot, nobody was tased, nobody was pepper sprayed; yet the officer is being considered for punishment for failing to "de-escalate the situation"?

Watch: Seattle Police release dramatic video of ice ax takedown, officer faces discipline | KOMO



He tackled a guy with an ice axe that had been (reportedly) threatening others. Nobody got killed, perp might have had a few cuts and bruises, but otherwise lives another day.

Where's his commendation?
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Failure to de-escalate? Bogus charge. Cop did his job.
 
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Seattle (and the entire West coast for that matter) is basically a Socialist state, so if you're a cop outside of those states, I wouldnt read too much into this.

The rest of America supports their police and appreciates when they do their job.
 
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Have you seen where police departments are claiming they’ll have to euthanize their dogs if marijuana is made legal?
 
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hndog609 said:
Agreed, there'll be topless birkenstock-wearing, patchoulie smelling PETA freaks shooting at cops if that goes down.
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No, there'd be all sorts of former and current K-9 handlers that will cause all kinds of a ruckus if such a thing were to happen. Now, the caveat to that is if such a dog has social issues (a patrol dog that is overaggressive and unpredictable in the public for example), I could see such a thing being possibly necessary. However, just because "weed was legalized" is not going to fly. And I'd dare them to try to take them away from loyal handlers to euthanize them for that specific reason.

PETA would be the least of their concerns.
 
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Grand Vol said:
No, there'd be all sorts of former and current K-9 handlers that will cause all kinds of a ruckus if such a thing were to happen. Now, the caveat to that is if such a dog has social issues (a patrol dog that is overaggressive and unpredictable in the public for example), I could see such a thing being possibly necessary. However, just because "weed was legalized" is not going to fly. And I'd dare them to try to take them away from loyal handlers to euthanize them for that specific reason.

PETA would be the least of their concerns.
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My understanding is that Baltimore was able to successfully retrain their dogs also, after marijuana reform
 
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Grand Vol said:
No, there'd be all sorts of former and current K-9 handlers that will cause all kinds of a ruckus if such a thing were to happen. Now, the caveat to that is if such a dog has social issues (a patrol dog that is overaggressive and unpredictable in the public for example), I could see such a thing being possibly necessary. However, just because "weed was legalized" is not going to fly. And I'd dare them to try to take them away from loyal handlers to euthanize them for that specific reason.

PETA would be the least of their concerns.
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In fairness I didn't say they would be the only ones. Actually I just thought they'd be the funniest. In truth there would be a huge backlash pretty much across the board I would think.
 
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Vol8188 said:
My understanding is that Baltimore was able to successfully retrain their dogs also, after marijuana reform
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Honestly, it's not an easy process and you have to get the training in when a dog is far younger. Once they hit a certain age (don't ask me to put a number on it though as every dog is different just like people) the dog simply wouldn't be able to be easily retrained because they've been doing it for so long. Old dog, new tricks kind of thing.

It's a hollow threat that can, will and has backfired significantly on them. Like I said, some dogs just cannot be released due to their lack of social skills, but certainly not most of them. Especially not a lot of the Malinois and German Shepherds that far easily acclimate to a family environment when they "adopt" a family as their "pack."
 
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Grand Vol said:
Honestly, it's not an easy process and you have to get the training in when a dog is far younger. Once they hit a certain age (don't ask me to put a number on it though as every dog is different just like people) the dog simply wouldn't be able to be easily retrained because they've been doing it for so long. Old dog, new tricks kind of thing.

It's a hollow threat that can, will and has backfired significantly on them. Like I said, some dogs just cannot be released due to their lack of social skills, but certainly not most of them. Especially not a lot of the Malinois and German Shepherds that far easily acclimate to a family environment when they "adopt" a family as their "pack."
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In Germany, the best dogs are started on general obedience at about 6-8 weeks. The best of them will have their Schutzhund I, II, and III by or before 2 years. Also, in Germany it is still very tightly regulated with what dogs will be allowed to live to even pursue Schutzhund. Most, are sadly put down a little bit after birth. Bloodlines matter most, and the ability to have the best dogs starts with this. Unfortunately, in America, some of the worst handlers and dogs are police K9's.

Schutzhund work and police is sometimes a mixed bag and not representative of what a good Schutzhund dog is and should be.

A good, well trained Schutzhund dog will be able to be "placed" with a normal family with ease. Yes there is an adjustment period, but, these dogs do nothing but live to please.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Surely there is more to the story. Maybe that is a training technique? Maybe the headline is wrong and they were not checking for drugs.
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A training technique? Like "you get punished when you don't act like you found drugs. just fake it, dummy."
 
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n_huffhines said:
A training technique? Like "you get punished when you don't act like you found drugs. just fake it, dummy."
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I don’t trust the whole drug dog thing. Can they find drugs? Yes. But if you can train them to find drugs you can train them to act like they found drugs. And then it’s a free pass to search the car. And zero repercussions if they find nothing. Dog must have been wrong I guess. Can’t ask him because he’s an f ing dog. But it’s another toy to play with and another way around pesky PC guidelines.
 
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