To Protect and to Serve II

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DEFENDTHISHOUSE said:
I just realized, you think I’m a sovereign citizen. LMAO!!! That’s hilarious.

I believe in rules and laws, I just don’t believe in political rulers.
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Actually I knew that. You told me a year or so ago. I said that referring to your “no one is above me” type ideology which sovereigns apparently share with anarchists.
 
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tim said:
Sorry, maybe they should vote more
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You still don't get it. The will of the majority should have no bearing on what individual rights you have. And since this is not a democracy, the will of the majority should have no bearing on what is law.

Are these really hard concepts for you to understand?
 
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I have watched a videos lately of people F.. with the police on traffic stops .. They push back by asking if they are being "detained"and then state exact wording from the law about what they have to provide and not provide during a traffic stop and you wonder why police have stress... Oy Vey
 
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Biopsyman said:
I have watched a videos lately of people F.. with the police on traffic stops .. They push back by asking if they are being "detained"and then state exact wording from the law about what they have to provide and not provide during a traffic stop and you wonder why police have stress... Oy Vey
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Would it be better if the citizens just rolled over for the cops and forfeit what ever rights they have left?
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Would it be better if the citizens just rolled over for the cops and forfeit what ever rights they have left?
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You and I both know (though you won't admit it) some people take it way too far in trying to provoke a response from whatever LEO pulls them over.

Now, go ahead and justify those being an a-hole to a cop just to try to get them to overreact.
 
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Grand Vol said:
You and I both know (though you won't admit it) some people take it way too far in trying to provoke a response from whatever LEO pulls them over.

Now, go ahead and justify those being an a-hole to a cop just to try to get them to overreact.
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I have no problem admitting that. That isn't breaking news. Not all civilians are angels, nor are all cops the devil.

Does this even need to be stated?

Again, what you don't want to come to grips with is that too damn many cops (not all, not most) are the type that we complain about.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Again, what you don't want to come to grips with is that too damn many cops (not all, not most) are the type that we complain about.
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Because I don't try to point out the incorrigible actions of the less than 1% each and every chance I get. I do realize the thousands of interactions each and every day tend to be polite, decent affairs that causes neither side harm.

Yet, you focus on just the negative. When's the last time you actually saw a positive cop story that made you think "not bad at all, guys"?
 
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Grand Vol said:
Because I don't try to point out the incorrigible actions of the less than 1% each and every chance I get. I do realize the thousands of interactions each and every day tend to be polite, decent affairs that causes neither side harm.
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A lot more than 1%... a hell of a lot more. Again, not all. Not most. But too damn many.

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Yet, you focus on just the negative. When's the last time you actually saw a positive cop story that made you think "not bad at all, guys"?
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Anytime the cops take "criminals" off the street (I'm making a distinction between "lawbreakers" and "criminals"), then I have no issue with that. Criminals are those that violate the life, liberty and property of another citizen. But a lawbreaker could be anyone from The Son of Sam to a guy walking down the street with a mask on to a guy selling loose cigarettes.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Would it be better if the citizens just rolled over for the cops and forfeit what ever rights they have left?
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I don’t think it’s unreasonable for the police ever ask for your ID whether they suspect a crime or not. Your ass for an ID when you try to get through security getting on the airplane I don’t think that’s much of an inconvenience
 
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Biopsyman said:
I don’t think it’s unreasonable for the police ever ask for your ID whether they suspect a crime or not. Your ass for an ID when you try to get through security getting on the airplane I don’t think that’s much of an inconvenience
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You're asked for ID to get on a plane because they want to make sure you are the one that paid for one of the limited number of seats on the plane.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Sadly, I think he actually believes that.

I can't say less than 1% for ANY profession out here. At least 1/3 of any group is a drag on society. Judges, priests, doctors, cops, teachers... whatever profession.
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You want to make a distinction between a mistake and a bad cop or are cops not entitled to a bad day/mistake?

Id go with GV’s %. 1% sounds about right in LE and the population
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Well, that is typically how the govt and LEOs handle people, because that same thing could be asked of govt.

Fortunately, the airlines at least have to pretend to treat us right to keep our business.
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Isn’t it true though that you get the law-enforcement that your city tolerates or local government?
 
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