To Protect and to Serve II

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Pepe_Silvia said:
Cops should be held to a higher standard, given the authority with which they are entrusted.
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Maybe we should pay them for that higher standard....and I don’t consider getting his son out of a spending ticket as not being held to a high standard.
 
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See I have the mentality that if I can’t trust you to do the right thing regarding the small stuff, then I almost certainly can’t trust you when it comes to something big.
 
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volbeast33 said:
Maybe we should pay them for that higher standard....and I don’t consider getting his son out of a spending ticket as not being held to a high standard.
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So they're only as honorable and as trustworthy as their paychecks will allow?

And they knew what the pay was when they signed up.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
So they're only as honorable and as trustworthy as their paychecks will allow?

And they knew what the pay was when they signed up.
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It’s been my experience that the higher paid the job the more reliable the people working it.... you have a different experience?
 
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Cdywolfe said:
I guess that really all depends on what the criteria for what a bad cop is. My guess is that mine and yours would be at least a tad bit, if not drastically, different.
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He said less than 1%... let that sink in.

You'cant even say less than 1% of ministers/preachers are the bad apples.
 
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Cdywolfe said:
See I have the mentality that if I can’t trust you to do the right thing regarding the small stuff, then I almost certainly can’t trust you when it comes to something big.
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Well I got out of one bc I knew someone at city hall..... I feel so ashamed.... there is not a single person on this board that wouldn’t do the same thing.
 
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volbeast33 said:
It’s been my experience that the higher paid the job the more reliable the people working it.... you have a different experience?
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That is especially untrue in the public sector. If that were the case, then the US would have a balanced budget every year...
 
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volbeast33 said:
Well I got out of one bc I knew someone at city hall..... I feel so ashamed.... there is not a single person on this board that wouldn’t do the same thing.
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You are correct. You missed the point entirely with regards to the actions of the cop, but you are right when you say this with regards to civilians.
 
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davethevol said:
Off-Duty Cop Caught on Camera Pulling Gun on Man He Mistakenly Thought Was Stealing Mints [Video]

Off-Duty Cop Caught on Camera Pulling Gun on Man He Mistakenly Thought Was Stealing Mints
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So here’s my question... How come when someone of authority saw that video a warrant wasn’t issued and he wasn’t arrested?

Cause if over 99% of that department is good cops, why didn’t one of them arrest the bad one?

Or is assault with a deadly weapon another one of the many professional courtesies they conveniently provide to each other?
 
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volbeast33 said:
Maybe we should pay them for that higher standard....and I don’t consider getting his son out of a spending ticket as not being held to a high standard.
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I would be fine with cops being paid more if we ever get to the point where they're actually held to a higher standard.

As it stands currently, police are able to do whatever they please - and even be recorded doing it - and they get away with it.
 
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Pepe_Silvia said:
I would be fine with cops being paid more if we ever get to the point where they're actually held to a higher standard.

As it stands currently, police are able to do whatever they please - and even be recorded doing it - and they get away with it.
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Several years ago I was a huge body cam fan and thought all cops should have them all the time. Now I tend to think it’s simply a waste of money. They do whatever the hell they want and even when it’s on video there rarely seems to be consequences.

Or you have situations like the scumbag POS that executed Daniel Shaver. He got acquitted and the jury wasn’t even allowed to see the damn video.
 
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Pepe_Silvia said:
I would be fine with cops being paid more if we ever get to the point where they're actually held to a higher standard.

As it stands currently, police are able to do whatever they please - and even be recorded doing it - and they get away with it.
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We are on a cycle downwards.
A “few” bad cops make the rest look bad. And the ones that do “bad” things really, really, exc... look bad. So you’ve got a job that already doesn’t make enough money and public support turning to from positive to negative towards the police. It becomes a position that quality individuals are less likely to consider. As the position becomes harder to fill the departments standards becomes compromised to keep officers on the street. And it gets a little worse with each passing day.

I think the answer is to increase pay significantly and at the same time dramatically increase the standards. The question then becomes where do we get the money for that?
 
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Well, this is ****ing stupid. Nobody was shot, nobody was tased, nobody was pepper sprayed; yet the officer is being considered for punishment for failing to "de-escalate the situation"?

Watch: Seattle Police release dramatic video of ice ax takedown, officer faces discipline | KOMO

Newly released video shows a dramatic police takedown, and raises new questions about whether one officer acted courageously or went too far in his attempt to protect the public.

Officer Nick Guzley now faces discipline for how he subdued a man armed with an ice ax. A complaint was filed about his failure to de-escalate the situation. However, other officers have said he made the best of a bad situation, and no one ended up getting hurt.

The suspect made his way into a narrow corridor just past the old Seattle Times building. It was there that police tried to press in, warning the man he would be “Tased” if he kept ignoring their orders. In response, the man can be seen on the video turning to face the officers while holding the ice ax over his head.

Moments later, once the man turned back around, Officer Guzley rushed up from behind and made the tackle.

Officer Guzley remains on patrol but is awaiting potential discipline. One of Guzley’s own supervisors filed the complaint against him with Seattle’s Office of Police Accountability.
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He tackled a guy with an ice axe that had been (reportedly) threatening others. Nobody got killed, perp might have had a few cuts and bruises, but otherwise lives another day.

Where's his commendation?
 
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Grand Vol said:
Well, this is ****ing stupid. Nobody was shot, nobody was tased, nobody was pepper sprayed; yet the officer is being considered for punishment for failing to "de-escalate the situation"?

Watch: Seattle Police release dramatic video of ice ax takedown, officer faces discipline | KOMO



He tackled a guy with an ice axe that had been (reportedly) threatening others. Nobody got killed, perp might have had a few cuts and bruises, but otherwise lives another day.

Where's his commendation?
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One of my biggest complaints is that it seems cops make no attempt to de-escalate things too much of the time. Far too often cops take completely non violent situations and turn them violent.

With that said, this doesn’t seem to be one of those times.
 
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Cdywolfe said:
But really is anybody surprised by anything that happens in Seattle?
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It's BS like that which gets cops and the general public hurt or even killed.

If this officer is punished for taking down an ice axe wielding crazy man that (again, allegedly) was threatening others and not following instructions to put it down, they put themselves and the public at risk for second guessing every decision they could make in dealing with the situation.

In that situation, they had to clear the sidewalks ahead of the guy just in case. Luckily, they got him into that area where he wouldn't be a threat to others. He got bear hugged and tackled, everyone went home alive, perp went to jail alive, job well done.
 
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Grand Vol said:
Well, this is ****ing stupid. Nobody was shot, nobody was tased, nobody was pepper sprayed; yet the officer is being considered for punishment for failing to "de-escalate the situation"?

Watch: Seattle Police release dramatic video of ice ax takedown, officer faces discipline | KOMO



He tackled a guy with an ice axe that had been (reportedly) threatening others. Nobody got killed, perp might have had a few cuts and bruises, but otherwise lives another day.

Where's his commendation?
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Failure to de-escalate? Bogus charge. Cop did his job.
 
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Seattle (and the entire West coast for that matter) is basically a Socialist state, so if you're a cop outside of those states, I wouldnt read too much into this.

The rest of America supports their police and appreciates when they do their job.
 
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