Mass shooting of the week, high school in parkland, FL.

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This is not a gun issue. I wouldn’t want this psycho in my community guns or not.

Also, regulations are only as good as the people enforcing them. Adding more of them doesn’t mean they’re more effective. The FBI won’t even investigate known threats.
 
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Holy hell, 169 pages in this thread and Luther has posted non stop, is missing on the last page.
 
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luthervol said:
Top 25 Causes of Car Accidents


1. Distracted Driving
The number one cause of car accidents is not a criminal that drove drunk, sped or ran a red light. Distracted drivers are the top cause of car accidents in the U.S. today. A distracted driver is a motorist that diverts his or her attention from the road, usually to talk on a cell phone, send a text message or eat food.

2. Speeding
You’ve seen them on the highway. Many drivers ignore the speed limit and drive 10, 20 and sometimes 30 mph over the limit. Speed kills, and traveling above the speed limit is an easy way to cause a car accident. The faster you drive, the slower your reaction time will be if you need to prevent an auto accident.

You pick the most trivial and bizarre things in which to respond.
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I think I mentioned texting and I will argue speed all day long. I would hazard speed coupled with alcohol are the leaders in teen deaths. But you missed the point simply because you wanted to. My point didn't fit your communist agenda.
 
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Lol people are indeed making fun of that NY guy that destroyed his AR. Here’s another “destroyed salt rifle”. 😂
 

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volfanngatorland said:
I think this could be a good idea on campuses where there are multiple buildings like you pointed out earlier. If there’s a situation in one building, lock the other ones down. That works for me.

Now maybe be able to lock down the classrooms so no one can get in during the situation and we might have something there.

Just would hope it wasn’t between classes or during lunch, but I would be okay with this.
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well thats what the compartments would do. I am saying in the buildings. its a glass wall with doors that can be locked down (automatically). If he attacks during lunch you lock everything down between compartments but leave exits out for people to flee or at least make it so you have to be buzzed through. of course again the more options you give the holes there are in the defense.
 
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OuterBanksVol said:
Are you a member of the NRA? If yes, the blood of these kids is on your hands. Sorry, it's ugly and rude to say, but it's a fact.

The only reason these guns are legal is because of the NRA. You can stomp your feet, hold your breath, call me an *******... none of that changes this truth.

"...Sheriff Israel was honored to visit Anthony Borges, 15, in the hospital today. His family shared that Anthony was shot five times in Wednesday's school attack. Fortunately, he is recovering -- but has a long road ahead with more surgeries needed. Please join us in praying for the swift recovery of Anthony and all the other victims of this horrific criminal act."

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I am not a member, but people like you make me want to join.
 
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luthervol said:
And no, I never said I was a school teacher. (reading comprehension strikes again)
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So you are not a bus driver or crossing guard... not a teacher. Probably not the lunch lady. My guess is administrator. Bureaucrat. :good!: Your opinion is the least valuable of the aforementioned because you know nothing about anything.
 
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82_VOL_83 said:
GV, I would like to further debate our ideas on purchases. I think I have a good idea. Would like your honest shots to put holes in it. Basis is that other than the medical history which I think has to be in future discussions, what isn't already available to Feds?
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My thoughts and if they HAD to go to universal background checks...

I'd overhaul the entire process to make it more about the individual rather than the firearm. You have the 4473, right? Why does it require having a firearm type and serial number on the second page? What's the point except, as I pointed out to Hog, to have a record of the transaction of a specific firearm?

And why hasn't the NRA blown up the ATF and FBI over knowing EXACTLY where the little turd bought that rifle if they don't have a database of firearms transfers? There's a good question to ask. Anyway...

I'd put nothing but personal data on the new 4473 and do the background check on the individual. Obviously, I'd have them run the serial number on the firearm to ensure it's not stolen or anything, but nothing on the record has any firearms data. Why? (Asking for luther and LG) Because it's not about the firearm. It's about the individual. Person to person sales are just that. Treat an FFL like an intermediary that does nothing more than run the check and little else. And after 15 days, that record gets destroyed in accordance with the new law that goes along with this. However, have a number for the FFL to cover their backside. "Check #54321 via NICS came back clean." NICS can keep a file with zero personal information save to say "yes, FFL John Smith ran a check with #54321 and the buyer was cleared." Make it a law that keeping personal data on the transaction will result in prison time. (that's for you Louder)

How would FFLs account for the firearms sold? Easy. "Serial # 1234567, Rifle, Bravo Company, private sale" and record the date of transfer as well as the background check number. Covers them, covers the government, covers everyone.

How to screen for mental illness? Easy. CWV came up with the option to waive the right to medical privacy when purchasing a firearm. Such information, metal illness for example, would be entered into the NICS system to flag an individual. Should keep firearms out of the hands of those that shouldn't have them. Are some going to slip through the cracks? Of course they will. But those flagged in advance can be stopped.

As to what conditions would get flagged, that's a different debate. However, as I stated this morning, the same doc that puts you on the list has to be the one that takes you off. Now if it's determined said doctor is abusing the system (let's say two other doctors give a conflicting report clearing the individual), said doctor must defend his report or risk losing his license if they cannot come up with a good reason the person is staying on the list. If it comes down to (and it would from time to time) an anti-gun stance, that person's professional career may end because of a political stance. So, put some teeth into revoking someone's right because your personal beliefs got in the way.

Now, DTH brought up the point about the no fly/no buy list they had going. I'll admit, he has a point. However, I don't buy this "that would tip them off if they knew that!" nonsense. If the FBI or other such agency reasonably believes a person to be a threat, they've got way more information than just a hunch. So, written into the same law would be the requirement to inform a person in writing of their status as well as the avenues to appeal the decision. At that point, it's on the government to provide the burden of proof as to your alleged terrorist/criminal activities. (not that I trust the courts very much either these days, but there it is)

To me, background checks should be focused on the individual rather than what they are buying. FFLs can keep a record of what they sell, even go so far as to send it to the BATFE if it floats their boat for stats on what is sold on a monthly and yearly basis. Just not to who.

Just some thoughts.
 
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GV help me understand something please on classification of firearms. There are two acts. Title I or the Gun Control Act of 1968. And Title II or the National Firearm Act of 1934.

The NFA specifically defines the regulated types of firearms and items. If a firearm does not specifically fit any category of the NFA it falls into the GCA or Title I category.

Class 3 refers to the tax stamp required for registration of a weapon or item covered by Title II/NFA. Transfer of a Title II weapon or item requires a Class I Federal Firearms License.

To legally possess an item or weapon identified by Title II you must have a class 1 FFL and each item must have its own class 3 stamp. Attachment of a Title II item to a Type I firearm does not change the firearms status. Each item/firearm retains its individual designation even when combined.

Is that it? I always butcher this stuff. Thanks.
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
GV help me understand something please on classification of firearms. There are two acts. Title I or the Gun Control Act of 1968. And Title II or the National Firearm Act of 1939

The NFA specifically defines the regulated types of firearms and items. If a firearm does not specifically fit any category of the NFA it falls into the GCA or Title I category.

Class 3 refers to the tax stamp required for registration of a weapon or item covered by Title II/NFA. Transfer of a Title II weapon or item requires a Class I Federal Firearms License.

Is that it? I always butcher this stuff. Thanks.
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NFA was in 1934, just FYI.

But I'm not sure what question you are specifically asking...
 
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SpaceCoastVol said:
The fight that the ACLU would bring would be delicious to watch. Their heads would be exploding.
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Exploding over a person's decision to waive that right for reportable information concerning a firearms purchase?

I'm not sure what case they would bring. They hate guns. They like civil liberties...well, except that one.
 
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Deaths in 2018:


Guns - 1500.

Tell me more. Derpderppppp



https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/mass-shootings-are-a-bad-way-to-understand-gun-violence/
 
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GV on your proposed rules thread above (didn’t quote it to try and keep the clutter down) with regard to mental illness what you have is a great start but how about Adam Lanza? You have a person in the house with mental illness that acquired weapons from a non limited individual his mother right? Even if it didn’t apply to that specific case I think that it an instance to discuss.

If a firearm owner posses firearms and has an individual with whom they cohabitate then there need to be expectations that the firearm owner prohibits access to the firearms by that individual. I know federal law prevents transfer to an individual with known mental health issues but I’m not aware if this case of incidental access is specifically covered?

And yeah I know this is common sense to us. But does the current law specifically state this?

Thanks.
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
GV help me understand something please on classification of firearms. There are two acts. Title I or the Gun Control Act of 1968. And Title II or the National Firearm Act of 1934.

The NFA specifically defines the regulated types of firearms and items. If a firearm does not specifically fit any category of the NFA it falls into the GCA or Title I category.

Class 3 refers to the tax stamp required for registration of a weapon or item covered by Title II/NFA. Transfer of a Title II weapon or item requires a Class I Federal Firearms License.

To legally possess an item or weapon identified by Title II you must have a class 1 FFL and each item must have its own class 3 stamp. Attachment of a Title II item to a Type I firearm does not change the firearms status. Each item/firearm retains its individual designation even when combined.

Is that it? I always butcher this stuff. Thanks.
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No, you aren't required to have an FFL to legally own a Class 3 weapon. You have to transfer it via a licensed FFL with a Class 3 SOT permit if your intent is to sell. The FFL class for that is a 1 and 2 per the ATF website.

Still not sure what specifically you are asking about the classes. But yes and no, Class 3 devices more or less are always Class 3 regardless of what you put on them. When combining items in the same class, the specific type might change. I.E. you put a Class 3 suppressor on a 20mm Lhati rifle (considered a Class 3 Destructive Device). Basically, the entire setup would be considered a Class 3 Destructive Device as outlined in US Code 26, SS 5845. Obviously, the suppressor would still need a stamp of its own though.

I think that's what you were asking.
 
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