Mass shooting of the week, high school in parkland, FL.

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GreyWolf1129 said:
Sickening if true, but the source is WaPo. If somebody farts on the subway, they'll find a way to blame the White House. More believable if they named the official.
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Another unnamed official. It's easy to make up news when you don't have to put a name with it.

Trust us, wink, wink...
 
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GreyWolf1129 said:
Sickening if true, but the source is WaPo. If somebody farts on the subway, they'll find a way to blame the White House. More believable if they named the official.
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Any decent journalist will tell you that it's hard to keep solid sources such as this one if you don't use them anonymously.
 
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114VOL said:
Any decent journalist will tell you that it's hard to keep solid sources such as this one if you don't use them anonymously.
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I doubt seriously if the WaPo has a solid source anywhere near the White House. That would be like me letting my ex-wife type all my emails for me.
 
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114VOL said:
Any decent journalist will tell you that it's hard to keep solid sources such as this one if you don't use them anonymously.
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Problem is there are almost no decent journalists anymore. Really there are very few who should be called journalists anymore.
 
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Squints said:
I expected no different from a liberal. When deflection doesn’t work, resort to lying. You didn’t look, numbnuts. If you did, you’d know my stance. This is how you operate, you don’t want to have an honest debate, only muh guns.

Here, chew on this one and see if it grows on you:

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:good!: I was suspicious that you would avoid answering. Can't say that I blame you.
 
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Grand Vol said:
That would take it a bit too far.
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Why, there is no information gathered other than what we are discussing here. It's an app, it's on your phone. You have a BC#. It means absolutely nothing to the Feds other than a place to gather information such as your credit score (already available to anyone), criminal record (already available to the background check), health information (which is what was missed by SEVERAL agencies involved), and your residence. You walk up to a gun counter, swipe your card and get a number. Whether you buy or not never has to be recorded. The information is there to hand a yes or no to the counter person. If you don't care to own a gun you never have to get the card.

Covers the private sale angle. If you want to check my number, all you have done is check my number. Doesn't record the firearm or any information pertaining to the firearm. Just says you are OK to sell to or you aren't.
 
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luthervol said:
I looked and couldn't find it; but I'm the one that's hiding. Cute.

I have never supported a total ban. Your delusions must be comforting.
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By the exact definition of total, I would agree, you have never stated that you want a total ban. However, the limits on rounds per minute, the waiting periods, the total registration, the increased back ground checks, etc. indicate that a "near total" ban is what you are after. You are just too chicken **** to own up to it.
 
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Squints said:
I expected no different from a liberal. When deflection doesn’t work, resort to lying. You didn’t look, numbnuts. If you did, you’d know my stance. This is how you operate, you don’t want to have an honest debate, only muh guns.

Here, chew on this one and see if it grows on you:

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This looks like an awesome collectors item
 
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luthervol said:
To much stupid in that post to respond to it all.

I have said SINCE THE BEGINNING of this debate that any gun that fires more than x rounds per y seconds should be banned. That is nothing new.

The paranoid schizophrenia among the gun nuts is more frightening than the obsession with guns.

No one is coming for your guns. People want REASONABLE gun laws, regulations, and restrictions. That's really a rather simple concept.
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What is your x and y big boy?
 
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82_VOL_83 said:
By the exact definition of total, I would agree, you have never stated that you want a total ban. However, the limits on rounds per minute, the waiting periods, the total registration, the increased back ground checks, etc. indicate that a "near total" ban is what you are after. You are just too chicken **** to own up to it.
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Oh he’s absolutely working towards a total ban. But yes he’s too chicken **** to own his stance.
 
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82_VOL_83 said:
Why, there is no information gathered other than what we are discussing here. It's an app, it's on your phone. You have a BC#. It means absolutely nothing to the Feds other than a place to gather information such as your credit score (already available to anyone), criminal record (already available to the background check), health information (which is what was missed by SEVERAL agencies involved), and your residence. You walk up to a gun counter, swipe your card and get a number. Whether you buy or not never has to be recorded. The information is there to hand a yes or no to the counter person. If you don't care to own a gun you never have to get the card.

Covers the private sale angle. If you want to check my number, all you have done is check my number. Doesn't record the firearm or any information pertaining to the firearm. Just says you are OK to sell to or you aren't.
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To me, this causes the idea of a "database" to become even more prevalent. There is no need to carry such a thing to be honest. Think about a person who buys maybe once or twice in their life, but does it through a private party. It's not worth their time to apply when a "one and done" can be done through an FFL.

I'm looking at the most un-intrusive method possible to facilitate an exchange. A one time good deal where the data is destroyed in a very short time. This avoids any ID being issued, any hint of the state or federal level keeping any kind of "ID issued" database. Just a pure and simple transaction.

Basically, I'd like to revamp the entire process of how to acquire a firearm. Take the weapon's data off the 4473 and make it into a personalized process which it should be. If the BATFE needs to "track" what weapons are sold, I'd say nothing more than a dealer saying "Serial # 1234567, rifle type transferred to private party on 19 March 2018."
 
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GreyWolf1129 said:
So...where'd we end up on the debate? On this end, I need new mower blades. Trying to find ones that don't rotate more than x times in y seconds so I don't make luther mad.
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Yes because everyone knows that lower tip speeds create less noise and therefore less hearing loss. So what if you need the tip speed to mulch and create a better environment. You must have a limit on how fast your mower goes!!!
 
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GreyWolf1129 said:
zeppelin128 said:
Seems like we are leaning toward allowing muskets.
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Yeah, nothing we do is going to make everyone (yours truly included) happy, but I think we all agree that it's time to do something.

Personally, I'm in the "make schools a hard target" camp. There are pros and cons, and it won't be cheap or easy, but (my opinion) it's the quickest way to make schools as safe as we can. Gotta start somewhere.

Alright, don't want to re-start the topic. Looks like it's winding down for now.

Now, off to find those muzzle-loading mower blades.....
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That shoot black powder grenade tipped arrows.
 
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Grand Vol said:
To me, this causes the idea of a "database" to become even more prevalent. There is no need to carry such a thing to be honest. Think about a person who buys maybe once or twice in their life, but does it through a private party. It's not worth their time to apply when a "one and done" can be done through an FFL.

I'm looking at the most un-intrusive method possible to facilitate an exchange. A one time good deal where the data is destroyed in a very short time. This avoids any ID being issued, any hint of the state or federal level keeping any kind of "ID issued" database. Just a pure and simple transaction.

Basically, I'd like to revamp the entire process of how to acquire a firearm. Take the weapon's data off the 4473 and make it into a personalized process which it should be. If the BATFE needs to "track" what weapons are sold, I'd say nothing more than a dealer saying "Serial # 1234567, rifle type transferred to private party on 19 March 2018."
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If you are for ear marking people with mental illness as a no sale, EVERYTHING else that is needed for a background check is pretty much already used now. I am just adding the medical information to your SSN and simply using that. There is no need to keep ANYTHING at all. You walk to the counter, swipe your card to show you have no blips in your background check and are able to handle, fire, and purchase whatever you want. It says nothing other than you checked your background. It prints a number out with a check or an X. If it matches your number on your picture ID then you are free to do what you want. It's less intrusive than your method.
 
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DEFENDTHISHOUSE said:
Do I need to remind you about the no fly, no buy fiasco?
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Of which I was not in total agreement with considering the notification portion was sorely lacking.

I agree with the principle that someone on the terror watch list probably shouldn't be allowed to purchase a firearm. However, they do need to be notified and be able to plead their case in a court of law if they are.

Criteria for putting someone on that list is certain a topic of debate as well. And I'm pretty sure that criterion would be something special if liberals get their hands on it.
 
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