Mass shooting of the week, high school in parkland, FL.

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NorthDallas40 said:
I do not know what the hell the BATF reviewers were thinking upon initial classification of the slide fire stock category. WTF?!😳
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What were they supposed to do? It adheres to the letter of the law. The bump stock still requires one pull of the trigger to fire one round. If they want to regulate it further change the regs. For the record I have never seen one outside of a gun show, my guess is about the only people buying them are gun ranges that rent guns and charge you by the round.
 
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82_VOL_83 said:
Where was it said traffic accidents were due to speeding? That was never mentioned. Making **** up again troll?
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Top 25 Causes of Car Accidents


1. Distracted Driving
The number one cause of car accidents is not a criminal that drove drunk, sped or ran a red light. Distracted drivers are the top cause of car accidents in the U.S. today. A distracted driver is a motorist that diverts his or her attention from the road, usually to talk on a cell phone, send a text message or eat food.

2. Speeding
You’ve seen them on the highway. Many drivers ignore the speed limit and drive 10, 20 and sometimes 30 mph over the limit. Speed kills, and traveling above the speed limit is an easy way to cause a car accident. The faster you drive, the slower your reaction time will be if you need to prevent an auto accident.

You pick the most trivial and bizarre things in which to respond.
 
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Grand Vol said:
There's already a backdoor registration. How else did they know specifically the store the kid bought it from?
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I know how that works but for UBGCs to work all firearms would need to be registered to an owner. Otherwise the ONLY people doing BGCs for P2P sales would be the ones you don’t have to worry about.
 
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DEFENDTHISHOUSE said:
That valid use crap came at me wrong lol
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I'm one of those odd ones that thinks UBC's can be beneficial, yet can be abused (yeah, it's government, I know) in the wrong hands.

There is a fine line with the notion every transfer can be recorded (it is) and whether the system can be abused (it can). Depends on how it's written, obviously.

However, I'd be willing to put it on the table, in good faith, and ask for some changes to the current laws. And then watch as the anti-gun side squirms and obstructs.
 
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Grand Vol said:
I'm one of those odd ones that thinks UBC's can be beneficial, yet can be abused (yeah, it's government, I know) in the wrong hands.

There is a fine line with the notion every transfer can be recorded (it is) and whether the system can be abused (it can). Depends on how it's written, obviously.

However, I'd be willing to put it on the table, in good faith, and ask for some changes to the current laws. And then watch as the anti-gun side squirms and obstructs.
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Your trust is very misplaced. We’ve seen it way too many times. You give them an inch they’ll take a mile.
 
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DEFENDTHISHOUSE said:
Your trust is very misplaced. We’ve seen it way too many times. You give them an inch they’ll take a mile.
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You misunderstand my point. I'm saying bring it to the table and ask for concessions.

Would you support it if the current law was changed to only permit the sales record to last...let's say 15 days? After 15 days, it must be destroyed. Create a new process based on the transaction rather than recording serial numbers.

Enough of a check to make sure those who shouldn't have them don't have them, but legally cannot keep records past a certain point.
 
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GreyWolf1129 said:
Agreed. If you are a responsible gun owner, there's no reason to oppose UBC's, or even registration. If that's a mechanism for seizure down the road, then we'll fight that battle when we get there.

Suppressors and bump-stocks. Outlawed tomorrow. I cannot think of a single valid reason for either one to be in the hands of a civilian. One function of the suppressor is to make it harder to locate the shooter. I'm totally fine with that if it's a Marine sniper or a SWAT team member, but if you need a suppresser to kill prairie dogs, work on hitting with your first shot.

Okay, I really gotta go do the yard.

Keep it civil in here, huh?
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Sorry GW but we do not need another layer of regulation to entrap law abiding citizens into a crime. Registration would assuredly be used to nail people for minor paperwork errors..

And as far as suppressors go your argument is weak at best.
 
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ClearwaterVol said:
You mean like how they have confiscated our cars?

Also, UBC does not have to be attached to any specific weapon. Get one done and it's valid for a year. Update when necessary.
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What’s the use of a UBC then? “Hey I brought this from Johnny a year before the law”.
 
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DTH, I think our disconnect is trying to bend the current format to fit into the "box" we are talking about. A 4473 records the serial number as well as personal data. I'm saying remove the firearms from the process and focus on the individual.

If the type of transaction and serial numbers are removed and just focused on the person's ability to own a firearm (let's say a mental component was added), would you be willing to hear more arguments about it?
 
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Grand Vol said:
DTH, I think our disconnect is trying to bend the current format to fit into the "box" we are talking about. A 4473 records the serial number as well as personal data. I'm saying remove the firearms from the process and focus on the individual.

If the type of transaction and serial numbers are removed and just focused on the person's ability to own a firearm (let's say a mental component was added), would you be willing to hear more arguments about it?
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This seems fair to me. It adds a layer to stop someone with recent mental health issues from purchase, but protects a certain degree of privacy by not recording what was purchased. I'm wary of anything that could be used as a national database, but if strong language is used to ensure that can not happen then this seems reasonable.
 
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zeppelin128 said:
This seems fair to me. It adds a layer to stop someone with recent mental health issues from purchase, but protects a certain degree of privacy by not recording what was purchased. I'm wary of anything that could be used as a national database, but if strong language is used to ensure that can not happen then this seems reasonable.
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Get off Zep's account, whomever you are.
 
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volfanngatorland said:
Thanks.

This is the first thing that needs to be addressed then imo

During the school day there should be one way in and one way out. I have other ideas pertaining to that but I would think most would agree that’s a good starting point.
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Absolutely terrible idea. for any number of reasons.

sheer volume in a non emergency situation, travel time and distance. you are bringing EVERYTHING in the front door (including supplies and whatnot). you have absolute chaos at that one point with everyone coming in and then going every different direction.

in an emergency its an extreme hazard. Fire code won't allow it. also if the shooter has a friend, one flushes, one sits at the chokepoints and racks up a tally. heck one person with a plan could do it.

and besides that doesn't work for a campus type situation with what we had happen. multiple buildings.
 
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LouderVol said:
Absolutely terrible idea. for any number of reasons.

sheer volume in a non emergency situation, travel time and distance. you are bringing EVERYTHING in the front door (including supplies and whatnot). you have absolute chaos at that one point with everyone coming in and then going every different direction.

in an emergency its an extreme hazard. Fire code won't allow it. also if the shooter has a friend, one flushes, one sits at the chokepoints and racks up a tally. heck one person with a plan could do it.

and besides that doesn't work for a campus type situation with what we had happen. multiple buildings.
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You can get out of the school, just not in. Emergency situations where you need to get out of the school would not be impacted.

This was specifically referenced for non-campus style schools. Campus style with multiple buildings would need to be looked at in a different light.

Also as far as chaos being at the front door, it’s not like a grocery store with things being delivered and needing in the school all day. That isn’t an issue imo

As far as your point in one friend flushing them out, that wouldn’t be possible as they wouldn’t be able to get into the school and flush out.
 
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