Recruiting Forum Football Talk XLII

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Kingston Vol said:
Yeah, I get it. I'm just going to stick with him until given a reason not to.

Not necessarily you, but it seems like people are doing the same thing they did in August with his information.

A lot of people thought this team was a 9 win team and maybe should get into the SEC championship game. LWS comes by and says this team will struggle to reach a bowl. Everyone says it's just LWS with his normal pessimistic slant and that the truth lies somewhere in the middle.

There is no middle on this. If LWS thinks Gruden isn't going to take the job, it's because 1) Gruden has pushed back, and many have suggested he's already turned the job down or 2) people in the athletic department don't think he's going to take the job.
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I'd say the most likely is 3) UT made a big offer, Gruden hasn't made the decision yet, and Larry being Larry doesn't think anything good will ever happen to UT again. His facts are good. His opinions skew wildly negative.
 
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Kingston Vol said:
No amount of money gets this done for Gruden. Either he wants the job or he doesn't. It's not like Dan Mullen, who you can entice with a raise and longer contract.

This is just my speculation but Gruden is flirting with Tennessee right now because there is no official job opening. He wants to move his home base to Knoxville and wants all the perks that come with being a multimillionaire in Knoxville - and that goes through the big names at the University of Tennessee. He's listening because it's good business to listen.

Ultimately, when the job comes open, I think he officially let's them know he's not interested.
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If Dan Mullen leaves, I think it's for competitive reasons. He knows he will have better resources at UT. I don't believe the raise would be that significant.
 
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After the VQ podcast this morning, I'm relatively convinced of several things:

1) Butch has not been told outright that he is fired. While I'm certain Butch will be fired, I also think Currie has strung him along a bit to make him think he has a shot at staying, probably with the hope that Butch can at least rally the team to a bowl and keep the recruiting class somewhat together.

2) My Grudometer is back to less than 1%. Apparently, Currie likes the fanbase to be distracted by a particular candidate while he lays the groundwork for another. Apparently, Currie played a big role in getting Bruce Pearl, while the fanbase was clamoring for Bob Knight.

3) We will get an extremely good coach, but it is likely not be someone we're talking about a lot at the moment. That is just Currie's MO.
 
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jjay2518 said:
I'd say the most likely is 3) UT made a big offer, Gruden hasn't made the decision yet, and Larry being Larry doesn't think anything good will ever happen to UT again. His facts are good. His opinions skew wildly negative.
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Just like any human being, his "opinions" are informed by the "facts" he knows about any particular situation.

Listen, he could be wrong - but he's batting .1000 right now with the information he's provided about how the season would play out. He was correct that this team would be bad, and when everyone was clamoring for Butch to be fired after Georgia he was correct in saying UT will let it go into November.
 
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Kingston Vol said:
He was correct that this team would be bad, and when everyone was clamoring for Butch to be fired after Georgia he was correct in saying UT will let it go into November.
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LWS has nailed UT football for a long time - I agree. We just want him to be wrong because we don't like what UT has become.

SBV gets credit in nailing how Currie would handle Butch as well.

I've gone through the 5 stages of grief (denial, anger, bargaining, depression and acceptance) over this season and over how everything is playing out.

I'm in the acceptance stage at this point. I think we'll get a very good coach - just not sure who, and I'm not sure it will be the immediate splash I would like.
 
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vol2002 said:
LWS has nailed UT football for a long time - I agree. We just want him to be wrong because we don't like what UT has become.

SBV gets credit in nailing how Currie would handle Butch as well.

I've gone through the 5 stages of grief (denial, anger, bargaining, depression and acceptance) over this season and over how everything is playing out.

I'm in the acceptance stage at this point. I think we'll get a very good coach - just not sure who, and I'm not sure it will be the immediate splash I would like.
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I'm with you, but honestly, I believe in Currie. I have a few friends who worked at UT when he was lower on the totem pole and they rave about how smart, intense and businesslike he is. He's going to make a good hire. There's no doubt in my mind.

Ultimately, it hurts UT that Gruden keeps stringing the program along and allowing everyone to beg and plead for him. The fans think a guy who won a Super Bowl should be easy to hire and if UT doesn't get it done they become jaded and think UT isn't committed to winning. It then shortens how long the leash is for the next guy.
 
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Smokey123 said:
Looks like Taylor might be gone. Tweeted "next Lamar *insert some emoji*" (Deleted that tweet) then tweeted this

[Twitter]https://twitter.com/taetaylor6/status/928840913207603201[/Twitter]


Pretty sure he wanted to play QB in college and Louisville was recruiting to be the next Lamar Jackson
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I’m pretty sure he wants to play wide receiver but a lot of other schools are recruiting him to be a defensive back.
 
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vol2002 said:
After the VQ podcast this morning, I'm relatively convinced of several things:

1) Butch has not been told outright that he is fired. While I'm certain Butch will be fired, I also think Currie has strung him along a bit to make him think he has a shot at staying, probably with the hope that Butch can at least rally the team to a bowl and keep the recruiting class somewhat together.

2) My Grudometer is back to less than 1%. Apparently, Currie likes the fanbase to be distracted by a particular candidate while he lays the groundwork for another. Apparently, Currie played a big role in getting Bruce Pearl, while the fanbase was clamoring for Bob Knight.

3) We will get an extremely good coach, but it is likely not be someone we're talking about a lot at the moment. That is just Currie's MO.
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I disagree with number one, because it is clear he has completely stopped recruiting. He may be trying to hold the class together, but he is not trying to add to it. As far as the rest, that is very possible. I thought about this the other day, and immediately I thought about Chip Kelly. He has been mentioned a little bit, but really not much at all. Maybe Currie is letting all the smoke with Gruden cover up all of the back work he is doing with Kelly, which includes having to go through the NCAA for clearance.
 
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OGbabyaviVol said:
I disagree with number one, because it is clear he has completely stopped recruiting. He may be trying to hold the class together, but he is not trying to add to it. As far as the rest, that is very possible. I thought about this the other day, and immediately I thought about Chip Kelly. He has been mentioned a little bit, but really not much at all. Maybe Curry is letting all the smoke with Gruden cover up all of the back work he is doing with Kelly, which includes having to go through the NCAA for clearance.
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I'l allow it.
 
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Kingston Vol said:
I'm with you, but honestly, I believe in Currie. I have a few friends who worked at UT when he was lower on the totem pole and they rave about how smart, intense and businesslike he is. He's going to make a good hire. There's no doubt in my mind.

Ultimately, it hurts UT that Gruden keeps stringing the program along and allowing everyone to beg and plead for him. The fans think a guy who won a Super Bowl should be easy to hire and if UT doesn't get it done they become jaded and think UT isn't committed to winning. It then shortens how long the leash is for the next guy.
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I think UT hasn't been committed to winning, and it has absolutely nothing to do with Jon Gruden.
 
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What I want from a new coach:
1. Someone who doesn't go vanilla on the early cupcakes to hide the offense from the SEC opponents. Play your game, let the players get real experience in the real offense so they get real good at the real offense. This tendency has killed us over the last 8 years.

2. Someone who doesn't go easy on the cupcakes. Play your game, show them some respect by putting best on the field. If they can't score, that's on them. You let up later when you put in your 2nd and 3rd teams, but even then don't go vanilla, just play your game and challenge them to stop you.

3. Someone who recognizes player strengths and builds the schemes around them.

4. Someone who is straight forward with the fans, even when holding back info. If you don't want to talk about injuries, say that, stick to it and never talk about injuries. Don't cover it with falsehoods or fabrications. If a player is out due to violating team rules, say it. Don't have to give details, but be straight with us.
 
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The Tampa ring of honor tidbit on Dec 18th was random by VQ but it might have some significance. That before the key last weekend before early signing period yet he has a MNF game and celebration that Monday.
 
#3,189
#3,189
VQ podcast was a letdown

As unknown sources continue to whip the masses to a fever pitch, the old proven voices remain constant.

The podium will remain Gruden free
 
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Jewbaccah said:
2-31 against top 25.

Butchisms.

Soft.

Great Great guy. Good OC. Huge gamble if he can't start winning big games. Fans will turn on him by year two if he isn't winning big, mark it down.
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He has two top 25 wins his last 10 games beating number seven Texas A&M last year and beating LSU a top 10 team this year like a drum. I think your stats are really wrong.
 
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BTW, Hubbs said yesterday on the radio Cade Mays told Tennessee a month ago to leave him alone and Butch has completely stopped recruiting him.

Sounded like he's going to Georgia.
 
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Kingston Vol said:
BTW, Hubbs said yesterday on the radio Cade Mays told Tennessee a month ago to leave him alone and Butch has completely stopped recruiting him.

Sounded like he's going to Georgia.
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Know support staff member at UGA. He’s told me they have Cade for the past 2 weeks
 
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Jimmy Football said:
I think 2 of those hires were the result of a lack of commitment to winning football.
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Again, I disagree. Kiffin was a bad hire but it was an "all in" move to create a spark and win big.

Dooley was a terrible hire, but it wasn't for lack of trying. They just rushed it and made a bad pick.

Butch was a bad hire, but if you'll remember it was praised nationally as UT finally finding a guy who will work hard for the program. We got turned down by everyone ahead of him. It wasn't about money - we offered the top guys a ton.

Tennessee spends more than any other program in support and recruiting budget. There has not been a lack of trying to win. We just have not had good coaches.
 
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BigZiti09 said:
Kiffin was a bad hire. Yes.

Kiffin begat Dooley. There were other options available, but the powers that be piroritized legacy/culture over winning. Per LA Vol.

Dooley begat Butch. Result of personal vendettas and egos (i.e. dysfunction) prioritized over winning. Per multiple sources.
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See above
 
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Darth_Shiveman said:
Mike Sherman has his teams in the playoffs basically every year in the NFL and was pretty meh at A&M.


The problem NFL coaches sometimes have adapting to college isn’t that it’s more complex or Xs and Os are more difficult or anything. It’s that there are more stringent time constraints regarding practice, you’ve gotta focus a lot of time on recruiting year round (and that can wear guys down) and there are eligibility issues as well. You’re never gonna lose your best player in the NFL just because he can’t pass a math test.
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Mike Sherman ever win a super bowl? Brett Favre was his QB and he couldn't win one. Is Mike Sherman a rock star celebrity like Gruden whose name alone would draw recruits like flies? Nope. Not even close to the same.

People keep throwing out the time spent recruiting which is BS in regards to Gruden. He would be a closer like Saban and Meyer are.

When is the last time a bama player missed a game because of a math test?

Your whole post is made up of straw man arguments.
 
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