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Bassmaster_Vol said:
Scott Frost will make JG, Callaway, Chandler, and Jordan superstars in the next two seasons
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If we hire him. My worst nightmare would be for UT to somehow find a problem with Frost, hire Bobo, Mcelwain gets out of dodge, then UF hires Frost and he dominates Tennessee for 15 years.
 
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volfanngatorland said:
You have to be trolling, I don’t honestly believe someone is really trying this hard to defend Butch that they lack basic common football knowledge.

Yes, you can teach a QB plenty enough in 1.5 years to be able to teach someone how to change protections. The junior starter wasn’t any better, btw.
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I've had him on ignore for years. Yes he is a troll. Idk how I even got sucked into it.

I blame you guys for quoting him
 
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Chief Vol 13 said:
If we hire him. My worst nightmare would be for UT to somehow find a problem with Frost, hire Bobo, Mcelwain gets out of dodge, then UF hires Frost and he dominates Tennessee for 15 years.
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If we hire Mike Bobo I might be done. He would have to earn my support. I’ve given my support to Butch and Dooley and gave them the benefit of te doubt. But if they hire Bobo, I’m out.

I used to trust Currie, but with what he’s letting Butch do to this program and the fans right now, I don’t anymore. We are a joke, a National embarrassment, and Currie isn’t doing anything about it. We are going to lose to Ky this weekend with Butch and at this point, it’s Currie’s fault. Butch shouldn’t have this opportunity to lose this game.
 
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Rishvol said:
Yes he is. Many of you still see JG with the backup QB mentality, or only looking at his ranking. You're not looking at what's in front of you. JG is not what you thought he was. At least at this moment he's not.
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I think the truth is it annoyed you that people were being negative about the coaching and wanted JG to play. So you dug in your heels and now can't admit that Dormady wasn't good.
 
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mr.checkerboards said:
Sure. But how many recievers are we playing that have no experience. We have 1 HB that has any significant experience. There has been a new o line combo every week. A pretty much brand new offensive staff. There is no reason there shouldnt have been a step back this year.

All I'm trying to say with all of this is that fans expecting this offense to be like last years with basically a brand new set of guys with a brand new set of coaches is blind
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I feel for a lot of the points you are making but we aren’t the only team that lost playmakers. Yes we lost a great QB, great RB, and a good WR. We had our whole OL returning and the #1 recruit (who has panned out).

It’s on the coaches especially butch being the Lead offensive guy that neither of the QBs are good or developed (whichever way you want to look)

And that he can’t find a OL and go with it and keep some consistency.

Also him not being able to find WRs/TEs that can make plays in the passing game. We miss Jennings but he wasn’t a great WR.
 
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Chief Vol 13 said:
If we hire him. My worst nightmare would be for UT to somehow find a problem with Frost, hire Bobo, Mcelwain gets out of dodge, then UF hires Frost and he dominates Tennessee for 15 years.
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They'll pass on him in favor of a Mike Bobo, DJ Durkin, or Frank Wilson simply because those guys have SEC ties.
 
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Bassmaster_Vol said:
If we hire Mike Bobo I might be done. He would have to earn my support. I’ve given my support to Butch and Dooley and gave them the benefit of te doubt. But if they hire Bobo, I’m out.

I used to trust Currie, but with what he’s letting Butch do to this program and the fans right now, I don’t anymore. We are a joke, a National embarrassment, and Currie isn’t doing anything about it. We are going to lose to Ky this weekend with Butch and at this point, it’s Currie’s fault. Butch shouldn’t have this opportunity to lose this game.
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There's little doubt in my mind that Frost would bend Tennessee over for 15 years if UF hired him.
 
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Bassmaster_Vol said:
If we hire Mike Bobo I might be done. He would have to earn my support. I’ve given my support to Butch and Dooley and gave them the benefit of te doubt. But if they hire Bobo, I’m out.

I used to trust Currie, but with what he’s letting Butch do to this program and the fans right now, I don’t anymore. We are a joke, a National embarrassment, and Currie isn’t doing anything about it. We are going to lose to Ky this weekend with Butch and at this point, it’s Currie’s fault. Butch shouldn’t have this opportunity to lose this game.
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There’s really no reason to be this upset that nothing has happened yet. If we fire butch tomorrow and don’t name a coach for 8 weeks isn’t it all the same? People will be blasting Currie for that then.
 
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HankHill said:
I feel for a lot of the points you are making but we aren’t the only team that lost playmakers. Yes we lost a great QB, great RB, and a good WR. We had our whole OL returning and the #1 recruit (who has panned out).

It’s on the coaches especially butch being the Lead offensive guy that neither of the QBs are good or developed (whichever way you want to look)

And that he can’t find a OL and go with it and keep some consistency.

Also him not being able to find WRs/TEs that can make plays in the passing game. We miss Jennings but he wasn’t a great WR.
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Thank you. I'm bot trying to say any of this isnt Butchs fault but I just think fans arent looking at the bigger picture
 
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Vols4us said:
Instead of attacking each other - how about attacking the issues? Let's get past the fire Butch mode. It's going to happen. He is firing himself.

Forget the top candidates - if one happens that's great. Focus on the realistic ones.

I am all in on Frost, Mullen, and Brohm in that order. Each has something special that translates well as a HC. They are strong offensive guys. The primary reason I want them is each is not dependent on innovative offensive schemes to win. Each develops players well. I believe each would view UT as an end destination job. Hugely important.

Frost is unique with having crossover D experience as both a player and coach that makes him really special. No individual player or coach can pull the wool over his eyes ever and would know that when they signed on. He knows exactly who should play what position and how they should play it on both sides of the ball. Which has translated to UCF turning around so quickly. Add in his strong leadership. Future star IMO.

Mullen's been on the national stage and is a top QB developer in a QB centric period of CFB offenses. He also gets lesser talented guys to play at higher than expected levels. He's seen a lot and knows what works in the SEC with NC rings from his UF days. Being at UT would open up his recruiting to stronger talent like he had at UF. We have seen in recent years that upgraded talent adds about 2 wins a year in the east division with just average SEC coaching. Butch has underachieved that because he is good recruiter/bad coach. Mullen has done the opposite. He overachieves with less talent.

I have posted about Brohm previously. Getting it done at a B10 bottom feeder with Saban wanting you as an OC previously. He doesn't throw caution to the wind with wild O schemes that make playing D impossible like a Norvell or Babers. His D is playing well of late, so there is a focus by him on that side of the ball. That makes him a balanced HC - which you need to be to win at a high level.

If it drops below the level of that group, I will reduce my attention to UT football. However, Currie may have somebody in mind not on the current radar that is equally attractive.
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I really like your first two. Not convinced about Brohm. Even your argument for him doesn't sound very convincing. I don't see that he is "getting it done" in the B10. I guess it depends on what you call getting it done. Saban wanted him as an OC, but that doesn't mean he'd be a good HC. Please, please, please Frost or Mullen, assuming the more sure ones aren't possible.
 
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It’s gonna be nice to see JG next year with (hopefully) a competent offensive staff.

He has the tools to be very successful.
 
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HankHill said:
There’s really no reason to be this upset that nothing has happened yet. If we fire butch tomorrow and don’t name a coach for 8 weeks isn’t it all the same? People will be blasting Currie for that then.
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Not if Butch loses to KY and takes us to the first 4-8 in history. Currie’s fault
 
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Aesius said:
They'll pass on him in favor of a Mike Bobo, DJ Durkin, or Frank Wilson simply because those guys have SEC ties.
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I'm starting to get that feeling. Trying to keep the faith that this administration under Currie will be different.
 
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Chris Low has had pretty good sources at Ut in the past. My guess is he’s playing the “keep my access” game so he can be one of the first in line next year.

Yeah, our fan base is nuts. Part of the problem is the fracture that took place when Fulmer was fired. Still hasn’t been repaired. Because of that it’s so easy for a coach to lose support. Add in the Kiffin, Dooley, and Butch hires, that all compounded. Yeah, it’s a tough crowd but all it takes to please people is winning, being a straight shooter, and delivering on promises.
 
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mr.checkerboards said:
Thank you. I'm bot trying to say any of this isnt Butchs fault but I just think fans arent looking at the bigger picture
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It’s definitley a two way street. But honestly all of it can be linked back to butch. Either we have the talent to get it done but he is holding them back development wise or play calling or both.

Or he has misevaluated a number of highly rated recruits that simply just aren’t that good.

It’s a combination of everything. Overrated players, terrible game planning, and lack of development/strength training.

I can tell you from being down on the field for games that we don’t even look the same as bama, Georgia, etc.
 
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mr.checkerboards said:
Question I have and just brought up to a fellow vol fan......

If Butch had won the East last year or at least beat Vandy and made it to the sugar bowl is he on this hot of a seat. Before the season most fans said this was a rebuilding year. Yes losing to UF and UGA sucks but if Butch wins out and goes 8-4 he will be in line with preseason predictions. Maybe the media is right and TN fans are a bit unrealistic. The offense is struggling but we only have experince at one position the o line. I mean FSU is in the same boat they lost their starting qb and they look anemic against bad teams as well.

I said all that to say this. Hell no to Frost, Campbell,Mullen or any other mid tier coach. There are only two things that should get Butch fired a losing season or if you can get a homerun higher like a Kelly or Gruden.

If Butch needed to get fired it should have been last year for not meeting expectations not after a rebuilding year if he meets expectations. The AD made their bed by sticking with Butch after last year so they need to ride this out and see what happens, and I think fans just need to take a step back and realize that this is what fans were expecting before the season and quit with all these knee jerk reactions
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I've said this before, it isn't that we are losing that has me upset, it is how we are losing. We don't just look inexperienced, we look uncoached and out of shape, especially on offense. We are predictable, uncreative and uninspired.
 
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Bassmaster_Vol said:
Not if Butch loses to KY and takes us to the first 4-8 in history. Currie’s fault
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So if Currie fires him and an interim loses out is it his fault too? Lol

Is there really a difference in 4-8 and 5-7? No. We just need to get to a bowl game.
 
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