Why not Mike Leach?

#51
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Jravol78 said:
Chip Kelly is not coming here for anything south of the 6mil range I believe, and TN is not going to shell out that kind of money
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OK

But know this, Tennessee now pays the 16th highest coach in the nation. Tennessee pays over 4.1 mil.......if you go up to the 6 spot they make 5 mil.

If Tennessee fires Butch they will have to pay at least 20% more for their next coach (20% is a minimum of what a Tennessee and other teams do).

Now with at least 20% (and it would prob be 26-28%)more that would bring the next coach to around the 5th highest paid coach in the nation.

If you are going to have to pay 5+ to get whoever, why would you not pay 6 to get who you want?
 
#52
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Jravol78 said:
i'll give you that the numbers are similar, except that Leach has a MAJOR CONFERENCE divisonal title and coach of the year under his belt. I also challenge you to give it the old eye test. You telling me that Butch Jones is fielding anything that remotely resembles Washington st right now?
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NO they do not, but we all want Butch gone. I do not know why anyone would want someone with Butch like numbers........unless you could not get better, first.

I'm sure most of us would take Leach over Butch, but from what I have seen Tennessee may continue the 8 to 9 win seasons. If Tennessee wants to get over the hump and really challenge everyone why not get a coach that has proven they can do that.
 
#53
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JoAllan said:
OK

But know this, Tennessee now pays the 16th highest coach in the nation. Tennessee pays over 4.1 mil.......if you go up to the 6 spot they make 5 mil.

If Tennessee fires Butch they will have to pay at least 20% more for their next coach (20% is a minimum of what a Tennessee and other teams do).

Now with at least 20% (and it would prob be 26-28%)more that would bring the next coach to around the 5th highest paid coach in the nation.

If you are going to have to pay 5+ to get whoever, why would you not pay 6 to get who you want?
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dear Lord, let that sink in . We have the 16th highest paid coach in the nation , and the UMASS debacle and yesterday are the results!!
 
#54
#54
Haven't you seen a certain Vol fan tweeting at him for 2 months about coming here? He liked the tweets. Last one was Thursday night.
 
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#56
I have no confidence that the UT powers will go out and spend a lot of money on a high profile coach. The last four hires has not proven that they will. I you go with the averages, they'll hire another assistant. Currie is out front of a coach hire. He's not the bottom line.
 
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I was at the Cotton Bowl when the best team he's ever had (2008 TTU) got dismantled by Ole Miss.

Wouldn't fly in the SEC.
 
#58
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Jravol78 said:
dear Lord, let that sink in . We have the 16th highest paid coach in the nation , and the UMASS debacle and yesterday are the results!!
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Yea it is even worse when you look close at the numbers. His 16th is not too far off from 6-4 either.

The next guys pay will be in the 6-4 range just because of what Tennessee has paid Butch.
 
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VolNavy01 said:
No friend, you said league titles. You didn't say National titles. Good coaches should compete for national titles at schools where football rules. Period. Meaning big budgets amazing facilities, etc. And by the way, we aren't even competing for our league title.
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Fine. However, are you really comparing Navy’s league to a Power 5 League?
 
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beachmaster said:
I have no confidence that the UT powers will go out and spend a lot of money on a high profile coach. The last four hires has not proven that they will. I you go with the averages, they'll hire another assistant. Currie is out front of a coach hire. He's not the bottom line.
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And they will hire a search firm first. :)
 
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beachmaster said:
I have no confidence that the UT powers will go out and spend a lot of money on a high profile coach. The last four hires has not proven that they will. I you go with the averages, they'll hire another assistant. Currie is out front of a coach hire. He's not the bottom line.
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Tennessee will be forced to pay top money for whoever they get, because of what they now pay and because of the percentages of what a new coach will get.......the new coach will never be paid less, and in almost every case (over the past many years) they make 20-30% more.

Tennessee will be paying a new coach 5+ million. Tennessee can pay someone, anyone, whoever 5+.........or pay who they want 6.
 
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BigSteve09 said:
I was at the Cotton Bowl when the best team he's ever had (2008 TTU) got dismantled by Ole Miss.

Wouldn't fly in the SEC.
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oh yeah, because we want to base our decisions off of a 10 year old irrelevant bowl game.
 
#64
#64
I'd love Mike Leach. I've always wanted him to coach the vols.

Vol fans have always responded by crinkling up their little red faces, and sticking their nose in the air like an Old South debutante

"eww, Mike Leach, he likes..pirates, does he not? Mike Leach from Texas Tech? The one who locked that rich young wide receiver in the closet for being a baby? It positively traumatized that poor young gentleman, luckily he tattled to daddy and Daddy showed that Mr. Leach how we handle things in our polite and cultured southern society. Don't think he will ever be forgiven for calling us fat little girl either."

If ya'll would loosen your girdles a bit, you'd see that Mike Leach is more southern than Butch or chip kelly, has more varied experience than most any name mentioned, he studied under Norm Chow at BYU, Hal Mumme at Kentucky, and Bob Stoops at Oklahoma. Hes been involved and/or coordinated nearly every high-powered offense in football history that didnt involve steve spurrier. He was there making it happen and studying, teaching Tim Couch, Josh Heupel, Kliff Kingsburys. Hes done more than anyone out there and has more sec, and southern experience than most all the morons yall favor. He is the preeminent genius in college football. The hermit guru, who has taught and trained todays masters. His coaching tree and on field results speak volumes.

His only flaw. He's not full of sh#t like Butch. Hes a straight shooter, he relies on truth on results rather than lies and gimmicks. Hes gonna tell you like it is, and gonna lead a prolific dominant offense, thats what you get with Mike Leach.
Oh he didn't play NCAA football?

Neither did Paul Johnson, or David Cutcliffe.

Hes not Tennessee or Sec, doesnt fit the culture.

So your saying Lane Kiffin, and Butch did? What experiences did they have that led you to believe that?

He has weird press conferences!

Derek Dooley anyone?

Why on earth would yall want to hire one of Mike Leach's students but not the Master. I see his proteges names thrown around all the time. It makes no sense.

If Mike Leach has a problem hes too smart for Tennessee fans. Far too intelligent to fit in here. Burn him at the stake! He wont lie to you to make you feel better like your daddy and preacher.

Fact is, Mike Leach has been too intelligent to land that big time job. Yep, theres still discrimination in football against the intelligent. Arrogant AD's and booster in their suits deep down believe that football is a brutes game, and need a brutish dim-witted coach like Ed Orgeron, so that the lower class minorities and athletes have someone to relate to. Its complete idiocy, but thats the way things have been run.

Its time. Its time the smartest man in football gets a big time job. Its time for Tennessee to drop its silly old fashioned pretenses, and rise up shedding any vestiges of the yokel, mouth breathing trailer park hillbilly image. Its time for prolific offenses at Tennessee.

We've all waited long enough. Its time for Mike Leach to be the Head coach at The University of Tennessee.

Ill leave you all with his resume...try to find one that compares...

Kentucky
Four NCAA, 42 SEC, and 116 school records broken as Kentucky's offensive coordinator
Texas Tech
10 consecutive winning seasons
8 consecutive seasons with at least 8 wins
4 seasons with at least 9 wins
1 season with 11 wins
9 consecutive bowl appearances
5 bowl wins (most by any individual coach in the history of the program)
4 seasons completed with team ranked in the Top 25
19–11 record against in-state conference rivals Baylor, Texas, and Texas A&M
53–11 record at Jones AT&T Stadium, home of the Texas Tech Red Raider football team
2008 AP Big 12 Coach of the Year
2008 Big 12 Coach of the Year
Coached 1 Fred Biletnikoff Award (Best Wide Receiver) winner: Michael Crabtree (two-time winner)
Coached 1 Johnny Unitas Golden Arm Award (Best Senior Quarterback) winner: Graham Harrell
Coached 1 Mosi Tatupu Award (Best Kick Returner) winner: Wes Welker
Coached 3 Sammy Baugh Trophy (Outstanding Quarterback) winners: Kliff Kingsbury, B.J. Symons, and Graham Harrell
More than 150 NCAA, Big 12 and school records broken as Texas Tech's head coach
All-time winningest football coach in Texas Tech history
Coaching tree

Assistant coaches under Mike Leach who became NCAA head coaches:

Art Briles: Houston Cougars (2003–2007), Baylor Bears (2008–2016)
Jeff Choate: Montana State Bobcats (2016–present)
Sonny Dykes: Louisiana Tech Bulldogs (2010–2012), California Golden Bears (2013–2016)
Seth Littrell: North Texas Mean Green (2016–present)
Greg McMackin: Hawaii Warriors (2008–2011)
Ruffin McNeill: East Carolina Pirates (2010–2016)
Dana Holgorsen: West Virginia Mountaineers (2011–present)
Lincoln Riley: Oklahoma Sooners (2017-present)
Players under Mike Leach who became NCAA head coaches:

Kliff Kingsbury: Texas Tech Red Raiders (2013–present)
Neal Brown: Troy Trojans (2015–present)
Lincoln Riley: Oklahoma Sooners (2017-present)
 
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#65
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peytonmanningwoo said:
Most don't think he can recruit well enough in the SEC. Also,even though he was an avid Trump supporter, many think he's a poor fit for Tennessee's conservative culture. I don't know if either of those things are true, but that's what people say. I would like to see Chip Kelley. Imagine if he could bring some of that Nike innovation to UT, the Oregon of the SEC. Recruits would love it. While I'm not a huge fan of all the uniform combos, Oregon led the way in a lot of other areas too, such as their speed and conditioning programs.
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Nike and chip Kelly have nothing to do with each other, Phil Knight is an Oregon alum that’s the only reason Nike dumps $$$ into Oregon
 
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StillaWaiting said:
Nike and chip Kelly have nothing to do with each other, Phil Knight is an Oregon alum that’s the only reason Nike dumps $$$ into Oregon
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Phil Knight will donate money to the school Kelly winds up at. They are super close friends and Knight was at multiple 49ers games on the sidelines and suites. If Chip happens to come to a Nike school, that’s a jackpot for us and him financially.
 
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Jravol78 said:
oh yeah, because we want to base our decisions off of a 10 year old irrelevant bowl game.
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That was one example of times that I've seen his spread getting torn apart by respectable defenses, of which the SEC has a few. And that was his very best team that he's ever put together vs the 4th best team in the SEC that season.
 
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BigSteve09 said:
That was one example of times that I've seen his spread getting torn apart by respectable defenses, of which the SEC has a few. And that was his very best team that he's ever put together vs the 4th best team in the SEC that season.
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i get the gist of what your saying , but I could play that game all day long . Here's one ..... Johnny Majors and his offense totally dismantled Jimmy Johnson. Does that mean the Cowboys should have never hired him ??And FWIW I'm not beating up on CJM, I love him (see my avatar)
 
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JMSqb11 said:
Fine. However, are you really comparing Navy’s league to a Power 5 League?
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Never once compared the AAC to the SEC. Not sure where you are getting that. But if you are talking about winning any sort of league/division/conference title, Navy is a lot closer then we are. Tennessee should be in contention for the SEC every year. Tennessee puts just a tad bit more effort into their football program than Navy.
 
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GRN1926 said:
If you want mediocre then sure hire him. 118-77 as a HC, 33-34 at WSU. Can't get allured by a coach having 1 good season in his career. Also go look at the ranks of his offenses, consistently in the 40's-50's, no guru. He is pass first and that doesn't win championships which is reflected by the fact he doesn't have any
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Kentucky, Texas Tech and Washington State...

Those schools were really stacking the hardware before Leach got there...
 
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Biopsyman said:
I think he's a lnut job
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I do too.


Maybe a nut job is what we need.


I remember his "fat little girlfriends" rant at Texas Tech. I sure beat Dooley's WWII crap.


I don't care if he doesn't get a seal of approval from the local clergy. At least his post game comments would not be boring.
 
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CagleMtnVol said:
I like Leach but IMO he would be around 5-7 on my list.
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I'm not saying he is my official #1 choice, but he is up there. When people begin thinking realistically and realize that Kelly, Gruden or Stoops ain't walking through that door. Right now I'm leaning Patterson as #1 but least likely followed by Petrino and Leach as 2&3
 
#75
#75
DaUndergroundMan said:
I'd love Mike Leach. I've always wanted him to coach the vols.

Vol fans have always responded by crinkling up their little red faces, and sticking their nose in the air like an Old South debutante

"eww, Mike Leach, he likes..pirates, does he not? Mike Leach from Texas Tech? The one who locked that rich young wide receiver in the closet for being a baby? It positively traumatized that poor young gentleman, luckily he tattled to daddy and Daddy showed that Mr. Leach how we handle things in our polite and cultured southern society. Don't think he will ever be forgiven for calling us fat little girl either."

If ya'll would loosen your girdles a bit, you'd see that Mike Leach is more southern than Butch or chip kelly, has more varied experience than most any name mentioned, he studied under Norm Chow at BYU, Hal Mumme at Kentucky, and Bob Stoops at Oklahoma. Hes been involved and/or coordinated nearly every high-powered offense in football history that didnt involve steve spurrier. He was there making it happen and studying, teaching Tim Couch, Josh Heupel, Kliff Kingsburys. Hes done more than anyone out there and has more sec, and southern experience than most all the morons yall favor. He is the preeminent genius in college football. The hermit guru, who has taught and trained todays masters. His coaching tree and on field results speak volumes.

His only flaw. He's not full of sh#t like Butch. Hes a straight shooter, he relies on truth on results rather than lies and gimmicks. Hes gonna tell you like it is, and gonna lead a prolific dominant offense, thats what you get with Mike Leach.
Oh he didn't play NCAA football?

Neither did Paul Johnson, or David Cutcliffe.

Hes not Tennessee or Sec, doesnt fit the culture.

So your saying Lane Kiffin, and Butch did? What experiences did they have that led you to believe that?

He has weird press conferences!

Derek Dooley anyone?

Why on earth would yall want to hire one of Mike Leach's students but not the Master. I see his proteges names thrown around all the time. It makes no sense.

If Mike Leach has a problem hes too smart for Tennessee fans. Far too intelligent to fit in here. Burn him at the stake! He wont lie to you to make you feel better like your daddy and preacher.

Fact is, Mike Leach has been too intelligent to land that big time job. Yep, theres still discrimination in football against the intelligent. Arrogant AD's and booster in their suits deep down believe that football is a brutes game, and need a brutish dim-witted coach like Ed Orgeron, so that the lower class minorities and athletes have someone to relate to. Its complete idiocy, but thats the way things have been run.

Its time. Its time the smartest man in football gets a big time job. Its time for Tennessee to drop its silly old fashioned pretenses, and rise up shedding any vestiges of the yokel, mouth breathing trailer park hillbilly image. Its time for prolific offenses at Tennessee.

We've all waited long enough. Its time for Mike Leach to be the Head coach at The University of Tennessee.

Ill leave you all with his resume...try to find one that compares...

Kentucky
Four NCAA, 42 SEC, and 116 school records broken as Kentucky's offensive coordinator
Texas Tech
10 consecutive winning seasons
8 consecutive seasons with at least 8 wins
4 seasons with at least 9 wins
1 season with 11 wins
9 consecutive bowl appearances
5 bowl wins (most by any individual coach in the history of the program)
4 seasons completed with team ranked in the Top 25
19–11 record against in-state conference rivals Baylor, Texas, and Texas A&M
53–11 record at Jones AT&T Stadium, home of the Texas Tech Red Raider football team
2008 AP Big 12 Coach of the Year
2008 Big 12 Coach of the Year
Coached 1 Fred Biletnikoff Award (Best Wide Receiver) winner: Michael Crabtree (two-time winner)
Coached 1 Johnny Unitas Golden Arm Award (Best Senior Quarterback) winner: Graham Harrell
Coached 1 Mosi Tatupu Award (Best Kick Returner) winner: Wes Welker
Coached 3 Sammy Baugh Trophy (Outstanding Quarterback) winners: Kliff Kingsbury, B.J. Symons, and Graham Harrell
More than 150 NCAA, Big 12 and school records broken as Texas Tech's head coach
All-time winningest football coach in Texas Tech history
Coaching tree

Assistant coaches under Mike Leach who became NCAA head coaches:

Art Briles: Houston Cougars (2003–2007), Baylor Bears (2008–2016)
Jeff Choate: Montana State Bobcats (2016–present)
Sonny Dykes: Louisiana Tech Bulldogs (2010–2012), California Golden Bears (2013–2016)
Seth Littrell: North Texas Mean Green (2016–present)
Greg McMackin: Hawaii Warriors (2008–2011)
Ruffin McNeill: East Carolina Pirates (2010–2016)
Dana Holgorsen: West Virginia Mountaineers (2011–present)
Lincoln Riley: Oklahoma Sooners (2017-present)
Players under Mike Leach who became NCAA head coaches:

Kliff Kingsbury: Texas Tech Red Raiders (2013–present)
Neal Brown: Troy Trojans (2015–present)
Lincoln Riley: Oklahoma Sooners (2017-present)
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So the smartest coach in college football loses to teams like FCS Eastern Washington, Portland State and Nevada? Yeah ok there buddy.
 
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