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barrylee said:
Agree! What gets me is if any other team had the injuries we've had, everyone on here would be making excuses for that team or coach. Since it's the Vols many are just being unreasonable at least that's the way I see it..
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They are being unreasonable for one reason only..they hate Butch Jones. They want him gone as soon as possible. To give in and admit that there were legitimate reasons for those losses is to give Butch benefit of the doubt. They will never own up to that. They are fully invested in the Butch has to go narrative, and those two losses are what they hang their hat on.

I was, and I still am, really upset that we lost to SC and especially Vandy, but since I've had time to consider it, I know we would have obliterated those two teams at full strength. The injuries are the reason...that is all. Even with the dysfunctional lockeroom we would have been at least 10-2.
 
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Ulysees E. McGill said:
They are being unreasonable for one reason only..they hate Butch Jones. They want him gone as soon as possible. To give in and admit that there were legitimate reasons for those losses is to give Butch benefit of the doubt. They will never own up to that. They are fully invested in the Butch has to go narrative, and those two losses are what they hang their hat on.

I was, and I still am, really upset that we lost to SC and especially Vandy, but since I've had time to consider it, I know we would have obliterated those two teams at full strength. The injuries are the reason...that is all. Even with the dysfunctional lockeroom we would have been at least 10-2.
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Everyhhing isn't so black and white.

Some of don't want to see Butch end up getting fired AND think the losses were unacceptable, even with the injuries.

The two schools of thought aren't mutually exclusive.
 
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LotteryPick said:
Give him a little time and he fixes the issues. DB's have to get better but I'm confident in Shoop still.
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I've been seriously questioning Shoop, I'm not gonna lie. After yesterday, I'm more convinced that it really was the injuries. Yesterday wasn't perfect but a healthy Sutton, Foreman and DKjr made a massive difference. Plus having at least one DT helped, and Kongbo played DT like he actually wanted to contribute. Was nice to see.
 
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"Safe space" was popularized by a bunch of b******* Mizzou students who wanted people fired and didn't want anybody to disagree with them. Now it's being used ad nauseum by the negative clever few (sarcastically) FOR anyone disagreeing with THEM b******* and wanting people fired. :loco: Couldn't make it up...nobody would believe you. :)
 
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So ND hired an OC... Some people seemed to think helfrich was in play there... Hope this is good news for us
 
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Vols4us said:
Darth - good posts. Agree.

The rebuild of the coaching staff is crucial to the finish of the recruiting class this cycle as well the next. The replacement coaches have to be perceived as major improvements. Quality leaders recognize their own issues and mitigate them by making quality hires. Nothing is left sacred when reworking yourself and your org. If Butch does this, he can turn the corner and leave a great legacy on Rocky Top.

FWIW - the game plan and schemes on both sides of the ball last night were brilliant. Game balls to Debord and Shoop. I am truly happy and unhappy at the same time about the offense. Where was this scheme and play calling from Play #1 in many of the games this season? If you run that scheme and play call that way you control the ball on O for 4 quarters and keep a decimated D off the field more. Running Hurd in an offense unsuited for him when Kamara and Kelly are ready to go? Not throwing down the middle of the field when it was obvious that Dobbs throws his best when throwing down the middle of the field his entire career. No point in talking about the lack of calling designated run plays for him at times. Using a shorter rotation of quality receivers along with Wolf/Croom was posted on here a zillion times for years - and it was proven correct. If we know it, so should the staff. When you worry too much about the bad things that could happen, you miss the opportunities for the good things that could happen.

I hope Butch has observed and learned enough to take the last steps to greatness. Get real with the fans. If he does we all win.

Josh Smith is not a slot receiver, he is a WR. Put him there with Malone likely to go pro. Byrd/Abernathy to CB, Gaulden to S, TKJr. to Star and still playing some S, Evan to slot. Time to right some wrongs. Get it done.
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Man I agree with all of this.
 
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Interesting post from Freak. All the talk about replacing Debord with Helfrich, and he just coached one of the best offenses in school history. The losses were mainly about the defense this year, and the lack of personnel.

-Complain all you want about Mike DeBord, but Tennessee scored 63 touchdowns and 473 points this year, both single-season school records. The 521 yards of offense yesterday was the second-most in a bowl game in school history. Not bad for a former administrator of Olympic sports at Michigan, as some like to harp on.
 
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jspvol76 said:
Interesting post from Freak. All the talk about replacing Debord with Helfrich, and he just coached one of the best offenses in school history. The losses were mainly about the defense this year, and the lack of personnel.

-Complain all you want about Mike DeBord, but Tennessee scored 63 touchdowns and 473 points this year, both single-season school records. The 521 yards of offense yesterday was the second-most in a bowl game in school history. Not bad for a former administrator of Olympic sports at Michigan, as some like to harp on.
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All of this makes it that much more frustrating to watch when it's obvious Butch has told them to be safe rather than let that dynamic offense run wild. Don't ever throttle it back.
 
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jspvol76 said:
Interesting post from Freak. All the talk about replacing Debord with Helfrich, and he just coached one of the best offenses in school history. The losses were mainly about the defense this year, and the lack of personnel.

-Complain all you want about Mike DeBord, but Tennessee scored 63 touchdowns and 473 points this year, both single-season school records. The 521 yards of offense yesterday was the second-most in a bowl game in school history. Not bad for a former administrator of Olympic sports at Michigan, as some like to harp on.
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Big part of the reason I don't want Debord replaced, just moved to Co-OC and maybe take away playcalling.

Debord still has a lot to offer from an Xs and Os standpoint IMO.
 
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Watching this Kentucky vs Georgia Tech game right now and I'm really not looking forward to playing GT next fall. These guys cut block on almost every single play, you're basically guaranteed to lose a DL or two when you play them. Great.
 
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Ulysees E. McGill said:
Do people like you really not understand that money is not everything?
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ouchy man, yea i have no idea about having lots of money actually. im blessed with a good career and wonderful wife n kids tho and i know id take an ass whippin in front of the world for 3mil in a heartbeat.
 
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Ron Swanson said:
Watching this Kentucky vs Georgia Tech game right now and I'm really not looking forward to playing GT next fall. These guys cut block on almost every single play, you're basically guaranteed to lose a DL or two when you play them. Great.
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Another gift from Dave Hart. Always hate scheduling teams with gimmicky offenses. Getting them for the first game helps, though. At least they aren't sandwiched between other games.
 
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Ron Swanson said:
Watching this Kentucky vs Georgia Tech game right now and I'm really not looking forward to playing GT next fall. These guys cut block on almost every single play, you're basically guaranteed to lose a DL or two when you play them. Great.
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I think the NCAA will take a look at making that block illegal over the off season
 
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Ron Swanson said:
Watching this Kentucky vs Georgia Tech game right now and I'm really not looking forward to playing GT next fall. These guys cut block on almost every single play, you're basically guaranteed to lose a DL or two when you play them. Great.
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Agreed. That game is going to suck. High risk and not much reward even if we win.
 
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