Butch says it takes 6 to 7 years to build a program in the SEC

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Smokey123 said:
Nope, look at all the coaches that failed at elite programs. Or had 1 or 2 good seasons and then sucked.
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Those coaches aren't good coaches. If Butch has one good season and then sucks, he's not a good coach. If he's a coach capable of winning championships, it's not going to take him 7 years to build a good program, just like it didn't for Spurrier, Fulmer, Stoops, Tressel, Meyer, Saban, Miles, etc...
 
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VKAman said:
"Lower your expectations, so you won't be disappointed." When do the expectations ramp up? Or do we just keep low expectations forever like we're Ole Miss?
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We haven't won a natty since 98. The time before that was 67... I wouldn't exactly call that a power house lmao.
 
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VKAman said:
Those coaches aren't good coaches. If Butch has one good season and then sucks, he's not a good coach. If he's a coach capable of winning championships, it's not going to take him 7 years to build a good program, just like it didn't for Spurrier, Fulmer, Stoops, Tressel, Meyer, Saban, Miles, etc...
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It took fulmer 5 years to win a conference title. It took Saban 10 years to win a natty, ECT. Your argument is invalid lmao.
 
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VKAman said:
Those coaches aren't good coaches. If Butch has one good season and then sucks, he's not a good coach. If he's a coach capable of winning championships, it's not going to take him 7 years to build a good program, just like it didn't for Spurrier, Fulmer, Stoops, Tressel, Meyer, Saban, Miles, etc...
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Also, spurrier didn't do anything at duke and miles couldn't do anything at OKState. Lol.
 
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Smokey123 said:
Lololol, no. They still always had atleast 4 good teams and 2 elite teams. To compare the b10 from 07 to about 11 to the east is hilarious.
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You mentioned 2008 and 2010. In '08, Michigan was 3-9 and MSU's best win was Northwestern. In 2010, no one but MSU and Wisconsin--not Ohio State, not Michigan, not Penn State--had more than eight (8) wins.
 
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VKAman said:
Those coaches aren't good coaches. If Butch has one good season and then sucks, he's not a good coach. If he's a coach capable of winning championships, it's not going to take him 7 years to build a good program, just like it didn't for Spurrier, Fulmer, Stoops, Tressel, Meyer, Saban, Miles, etc...
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For the love of God... Butch and everybody else knows that the expectation is to be competing for conference championships by 16 and beyond. The "6-7 years" comment was off the cuff coachspeak that nobody pays attention to unless you're trying to push a narrative.
 
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VKAman said:
Those coaches aren't good coaches. If Butch has one good season and then sucks, he's not a good coach. If he's a coach capable of winning championships, it's not going to take him 7 years to build a good program, just like it didn't for Spurrier, Fulmer, Stoops, Tressel, Meyer, Saban, Miles, etc...
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What did Fulmer build or when exactly was it built?

Year 5?

The state of the program that a coach inherits should have a HUGE impact on the timeline and reasonable expectations.

Fulmer inherited a very good program.

Jones inherited a program in shambles.

No grading on a curve?
 
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GAVol said:
For the love of God... Butch and everybody else knows that the expectation is to be competing for conference championships by 16 and beyond. The "6-7 years" comment was off the cuff coachspeak that nobody pays attention to unless you're trying to push a narrative.
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This^
 
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LWSVOL said:
actually 51 is one that is counted, not 67. one poll (not even national) gave us the 67..
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Lol... I know the captain of the 67 team and there are few ways to get him going faster than to start parsing that subject.
 
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VKAman said:
Now we're comparing Tennessee not only to Oklahoma State, but to Duke. Great.
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Nope, not at all. But you want to rave about how they are such great coaches but they couldn't do anything at those schools.

Maybe it's because they were early in their career? Just like Butch is early in his career rn. Saban didn't win a natty till year 10, bud.
 
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ajvol01 said:
What did Fulmer build or when exactly was it built?

Year 5?

The state of the program that a coach inherits should have a HUGE impact on the timeline and reasonable expectations.

Fulmer inherited a very good program.

Jones inherited a program in shambles.

No grading on a curve?
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It's not difficult to recruit to Tennessee. After two or three recruiting classes of your own, there's no reason for the "curve" to still be there.
 
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Smokey123 said:
Nope, not at all. But you want to rave about how they are such great coaches but they couldn't do anything at those schools.
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Good Lord. How are you not getting this?

Maybe it's because they were early in their career? Just like Butch is early in his career rn. Saban didn't win a natty till year 10, bud.
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Or maybe they overachieved but were still at terrible programs, and when they got to major ones, they dominated and quickly. It's not that complicated.
 
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VKAman said:
How many of the national champions since the beginning of the BCS weren't 10-2 or better by year 3? I'll wait.
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So does that mean it cant happen? If thats your claim, then please explain why. Because just simply saying what you are doesnt mean it can never happen. Your arguments are weak and based on nothing but personal disdain for Jones masked with "constructive criticism."
 
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HoptownVol said:
I dont remember Major's making excuses about how tough it is to recruit to UT....however.....
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That was back in the days when they could have 105 on scholarship and could sign as many as they wanted and nobody really paid attention.
 
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