Chattanooga Shootings...

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volfanhill said:
Since 1977 there have been 17 attempted murders, 383 death threats, 13 wounded, 41 bombings (the last of which happened in 2012), 2 kidnappings, and 5 murders. All committed by people claiming to be Christians against abortion clinic workers and doctors. The good news is that. this is happening less and less
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And there have probably been that many in the name of islam since July 1 2015.
 
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The best way to stop religious terrorism is through systematic and targeted policing to identify and destroy terrorist cells. Eventually it will come to a point that you destroy enough cells that only the root remains and you can bomb it out of existence.

ISIS is different from traditional religious terrorism in that it is militaristic in nature. The only way to beat them is through military means. Most other religious terrorist organizations would be more effectively destroyed through better policing.
 
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Our scene opens in the Rose Garden where Pres Obama is giving a press conf. after what appears to be a terrorist attack motivated by radical Islam.

The sun is bright, birds are singing merrily away and the POTUS looks confident.

O: This appears to be the act of a lone wolf.
Press: His social media postings show him to be radicalized and say some pretty frightening things about all those who don't adopt Islam.
O: Islam is a religion of peace. Perhaps this young man was dumped by his GF. We can't label this as religiously motivated.
Press: He was yelling death to the infidels as he shot up the place.
O: He probably just saw that in a movie. Look, Islam is a religion of peace.
Press: Why won't you acknowledge that in some cases these people ARE motivated by their religion. It doesn't mean all, most, many - but at least a few are radicalized and motivated by their religion.
O: It wouldn't be proper. Islam is a religion of peace.
Press: But he scrawled in blood at the scene "I did this because I'm a radical Muslim extremist"!
O: As we've seen lately people self-identify as things they may not be
Press: But...
O: OH ALRIGHT DAMMIT! YES, YES, YES this was an act of radical islam. We all know it. I didn't want to say it but YES it obviously is. ARE YOU HAPPY NOW?

A chill fills the air. The birds fly away hastily. Dark clouds rush in and people swear they hear a maniacal chuckle in the wind. Shots ring out around the area followed by explosions.

It's happening...The Religious War has begun! Why oh why did he have to say those words

LGs prophecy has been realized
 
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lawgator1 said:
ISIS' main goal is to ignite a Holy war between their brand of Islam and other brands, and Christianity and other religions. They desperately WANT Obama, as president, to call it Islamic terror. Any other modifier is irrelevant. Just as long as it frames the conflict as religious, that is EXACTLY what they want.

Any notion that Obama is soft on them because of his word choice is absurdly infantile. Look at his actions. The drone strikes, the killing of bin Laden, the list goes on and on of actions.

You can debate all you want issues related to troop deployments or withdrawals, that's fine. But implying that Obama is "soft" on terrorism is just flat ignorant.

Obama should be applauded for refusing to give in to ISIS' goal of making this Christian v. Islam, or to those on the right in this country who seemingly share ISIS' goal of making this a religious war.
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(A) You actually think that Christians will strap explosives to ourselves if Obama calls this what it is?

(B) Explain how lashing out at Christians after Muslim attacks kept this from being religiously-centered. At an Easter prayer.
 
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Barack Obama ‏@BarackObama 3m3 minutes ago
"From my family to yours, Eid Mubarak!" —President Obama


What a moron.
 
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volinbham said:
Our scene opens in the Rose Garden where Pres Obama is giving a press conf. after what appears to be a terrorist attack motivated by radical Islam.

The sun is bright, birds are singing merrily away and the POTUS looks confident.

O: This appears to be the act of a lone wolf.
Press: His social media postings show him to be radicalized and say some pretty frightening things about all those who don't adopt Islam.
O: Islam is a religion of peace. Perhaps this young man was dumped by his GF. We can't label this as religiously motivated.
Press: He was yelling death to the infidels as he shot up the place.
O: He probably just saw that in a movie. Look, Islam is a religion of peace.
Press: Why won't you acknowledge that in some cases these people ARE motivated by their religion. It doesn't mean all, most, many - but at least a few are radicalized and motivated by their religion.
O: It wouldn't be proper. Islam is a religion of peace.
Press: But he scrawled in blood at the scene "I did this because I'm a radical Muslim extremist"!
O: As we've seen lately people self-identify as things they may not be
Press: But...
O: OH ALRIGHT DAMMIT! YES, YES, YES this was an act of radical islam. We all know it. I didn't want to say it but YES it obviously is. ARE YOU HAPPY NOW?

A chill fills the air. The birds fly away hastily. Dark clouds rush in and people swear they hear a maniacal chuckle in the wind. Shots ring out around the area followed by explosions.

It's happening...The Religious War has begun! Why oh why did he have to say those words

LGs prophecy has been realized
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Well done.

Need to add something in there about ordering drone attacks between questions. And hoping they don't take out the peaceful residents.
 
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agent|orange said:
By all accounts his parents were religious. From stuff coming out, it looks as though they were so religious they tried to force their daughter into marriage.

She fled the country, apparently, so she didn't have to comply with the arranged marriage. That's pretty hard-line, even for muslims.

This kid was apparently posting on islamic message boards about "muslim truths" and "3 blind men and an elephant" just days before he attacked which, in retrospect, showed he was coping with a crisis of his own perception.

He grew up surrounded by Americans and American culture and saw one side of it (i.e. the elephant) but was led astray by radical teachings that were telling him of the other sides. This fits in directly with the "3 blind men and an elephant" fallacy he was talking about just 4 days ago online... by alleged accounts.

It's unnerving, to say the least, how similar this kid was to Roof in ways. Both had run-ins with the law in the months leading up to their attack and grew up surrounded by, and were friends with, the group of people they lashed out against. Roof was clearly weaponized by biased and slanted "facts and truths" that are driving a very hard-line narrative. We'll see if there are pictures of this @sshole with ISIS flags, guns and burning the US flag.
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Arranged marriages are quite common in many parts and religions in the rest of the world.

And who "weaponized" Roof? To what end?
 
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You children of Abraham back up to your same old shenanigans again today? Trying to split apples and oranges over which one of you three spoiled brats has killed the least people?

Kids these days.
 
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volprof said:
You children of Abraham back up to your same old shenanigans again today? Trying to split apples and oranges over which one of you three spoiled brats has killed the least people?

Kids these days.
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Seriously? Wasn't yesterday enough of your bull****?

Give it a ****ing rest.
 
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SpaceCoastVol said:
Right. So what color should the rest of us be seeing when we look at the sky?
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Well, blue is the obvious answer.

But science tells us that we're actually just seeing some weird kaleidoscope of the color spectrum that happens to come together as "blue" to our eyes.

Funny you should ask that. It's very much pertinent to our conversations about viewing religions and people simplistically.
 
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lawgator1 said:
ISIS' main goal is to ignite a Holy war between their brand of Islam and other brands, and Christianity and other religions. They desperately WANT Obama, as president, to call it Islamic terror. Any other modifier is irrelevant. Just as long as it frames the conflict as religious, that is EXACTLY what they want.

Any notion that Obama is soft on them because of his word choice is absurdly infantile. Look at his actions. The drone strikes, the killing of bin Laden, the list goes on and on of actions.

You can debate all you want issues related to troop deployments or withdrawals, that's fine. But implying that Obama is "soft" on terrorism is just flat ignorant.

Obama should be applauded for refusing to give in to ISIS' goal of making this Christian v. Islam, or to those on the right in this country who seemingly share ISIS' goal of making this a religious war.
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Wait, Obama said we are not a Christian nation so how do you project this into a Christian vs. Islam war?
 
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OrangeWayOfLife said:
So volprof and lg come in here to take attention way from the reality of what happen to tells all that Islam isn't at fault. F the both of you
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You misinterpretr. And just cuss, for godssakes. Looks 12 year old ish when you don't.

Islam is to blame. Like most religious texts (and I won't mention another one in particular since it makes everyone so angry) it leaves interpretation up to the reader. It's not Protestant in that regard (because official bodies dictate what is right) but it's just as flawed as any religion. The dictates, however you read them, of some merchant living in 700 AD determines how you should live today in 2015, with technologies and political realities even the most insightful Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him and Merciful be his name, couldn't have imagined. I find this highly flawed, but, for whatever reasons (often lacking any reason), others find this sufficient.

I provided a day or two ago a geographical explanation (and if you're not aware, geography is the root of history, cultures, economies, and peoples, etc.) as to why Christianity ultimately was able to pursue a much more peaceful path than Islam. At the time I may have said it had nothing to do with ideology (I can't remember), but, if so, I was wrong. It does have a lot to do with ideology (and geography). The emphasis on the individual in Christianity, in particular Protestantism (which is probably fueled by Western Europe's relative geographical security, in particular Great Britain, when ZZZ Germans weren't acting up) fuels emphasis on valuing the individual (and it's no coincidence, as such, that capitalism, which is generally a good thing, springs from this root).

At this point, which is early modern to modern Europe (1600s - present), the Crusades were over, Europe was relatively preserved from outside invasion after ethnic groups finally formed coherent and powerful enough blocs (although obviously not preventing internal wars) and liberalism (which Christianity, at least Protestant versions, believe it or not, actually influences). A free-times, feel-good Jesus, who just wants everyone to love one another (as opposed to medieval Jesus, who wants to conquer the world - think geography and border security) was allowed to finally flourish.

Not so in the Greater Middle East. And it never will be. Geography has not blessed that part of the world. Open plains and it being the crossroads of three continents leave it constantly vulnerable. As a result, Muslims will have a much, much more difficult time coming into their liberal period (e.g., you disagree with me, therefore I should respect that and not throw battery acid on you) than Christianity ever had or will.

The one hope for the Islamic world is communications and technology, and how they bend time and space, sometimes making geographical realities weaker.

Even so, I'm not so sure it's ever going to work. And Richard Dick Cheney's Great Invasion of the Middle East to enrich himself, his Halliburton partners, and their Iranian partners won't help matters either.
 
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