Chattanooga Shootings...

[allvol123]

Per obama.

Dylan Roof's actions were a commentary on race relations in the US.

Muhammed is just a "lone wolf" though.

Convenient.

 

[lawgator1]

So, from your perspective, help me to understand how our "ignorance' has provided an obstacle for the conclusion of this war. We might be providing airstrikes to hit ISIS, but we are losing this war, not winning it. This guy has had 7 years to WIN this war.

I did not say that you are creating an obstacle to dealing with the problem.

I am saying that the POTUS, whoever it is, should not be goaded into helping ISIS reach its goal of making this Muslim versus Christian by calling it such. Sadly, I think that many on here would like to see ISIS succeed in that particular endeavor.

 

[lawgator1]

It is like somebody punching you in the face and all the while you say, as long as I don't hit back it's not a fight

Yeah, those daily drone strikes and other actions, that's just turning a blind eye.

 

[lawgator1]

Per obama.

Dylan Roof's actions were a commentary on race relations in the US.

Muhammed is just a "lone wolf" though.

Convenient.

You seriously do not see the obvious difference, do you?

 

[allvol123]

You seriously do not see the obvious difference, do you?

Im sure you can explain. Go for it.

 

[OrangeWayOfLife]

Yeah, those daily drone strikes and other actions, that's just turning a blind eye.

Let me rewrite this for a LG version


It is like being punched repeatedly in the face, all while pinching the perpetrator so you can have some sort
of pride that you are defending yourself

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

Is there like an ISIS hot line for them to call?

Yes. 1-800-FOR-ISIS.

Or they could have called the CIA.

 

[FLVOL69]

I did not say that you are creating an obstacle to dealing with the problem.

I am saying that the POTUS, whoever it is, should not be goaded into helping ISIS reach its goal of making this Muslim versus Christian by calling it such. Sadly, I think that many on here would like to see ISIS succeed in that particular endeavor.

No , we'd like to see a potus call it for what it is, there's no racial element therefore your guy is moot.

 

[hog88]

Consider his reactions to the flag, race relations, and the police incidents then consider what you said. There is a conscious reluctance to " go there" on this issue. The question is "why"...?

Don't want to offend his people? Just spitballing.

 

[hog88]

I did not say that you are creating an obstacle to dealing with the problem.

I am saying that the POTUS, whoever it is, should not be goaded into helping ISIS reach its goal of making this Muslim versus Christian by calling it such. Sadly, I think that many on here would like to see ISIS succeed in that particular endeavor.

It's Muslim extremists against western democracy and freedom not Christianity! The POTUS should absolutely call a spade a spade.

 

[onevol74]

It's Muslim extremists against western democracy and freedom not Christianity! The POTUS should absolutely call a spade a spade.

I am willing to bet that Obama has never thought that it is freedom we are defending. It is freedom that allows our spiritual calling regardless of what religion we behold.

 

[lawgator1]

I am willing to bet that Obama has never thought that it is freedom we are defending. It is freedom that allows our spiritual calling regardless of what religion we behold.

Then why play into their hands and attribute it to a specific religion?

 

[Jxn Vol]

It's Muslim extremists against western democracy and freedom not Christianity! The POTUS should absolutely call a spade a spade.

Yes. I'm reminded of a movie quote that seems fitting:

"Oh, yes, and one more thing, dear Lord, about our enemies, ignore their heathen prayers and help us blow those little bastar** straight to Hell, amen."

Or. Col. Hal Moore

 

[OrangeWayOfLife]

Then why play into their hands and attribute it to a specific religion?

Play into their hands? Explain

 

[volinbham]

I hate to find amusement about this issue but the notion that suggesting radical islam was a motivator here would do more to create tensions with Muslims than our drone war is absolutely ludicrous. Likewise is suggesting ISIS would be greatly advantaged by labeling this act as radical islamic terrorism.

I guess David Cameron is actively helping ISIS since he's referred to the threat of radical islamic terrorism. That bastard! Doesn't he know he's fallen right into ISIS's trap. Oh noes!

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

Then why play into their hands and attribute it to a specific religion?

Yup.. islam had nothing to do with this whatsoever. He just needed more hugs.

Oh, and to answer your question: I am not afraid of them. I shoot pretty well myself. Bring it muhammed.

 

[W.TN.Orange Blood]

LG is going down w/the 0bama slimy ship regardless of a hardheaded POTUS.....:clapping: what loyalty to the end.

 

[lawgator1]

Play into their hands? Explain

ISIS' main goal is to ignite a Holy war between their brand of Islam and other brands, and Christianity and other religions. They desperately WANT Obama, as president, to call it Islamic terror. Any other modifier is irrelevant. Just as long as it frames the conflict as religious, that is EXACTLY what they want.

Any notion that Obama is soft on them because of his word choice is absurdly infantile. Look at his actions. The drone strikes, the killing of bin Laden, the list goes on and on of actions.

You can debate all you want issues related to troop deployments or withdrawals, that's fine. But implying that Obama is "soft" on terrorism is just flat ignorant.

Obama should be applauded for refusing to give in to ISIS' goal of making this Christian v. Islam, or to those on the right in this country who seemingly share ISIS' goal of making this a religious war.

 

[volinbham]

ISIS' main goal is to ignite a Holy war between their brand of Islam and other brands, and Christianity and other religions. They desperately WANT Obama, as president, to call it Islamic terror. Any other modifier is irrelevant. Just as long as it frames the conflict as religious, that is EXACTLY what they want.

Any notion that Obama is soft on them because of his word choice is absurdly infantile. Look at his actions. The drone strikes, the killing of bin Laden, the list goes on and on of actions.

You can debate all you want issues related to troop deployments or withdrawals, that's fine. But implying that Obama is "soft" on terrorism is just flat ignorant.

Obama should be applauded for refusing to give in to ISIS' goal of making this Christian v. Islam, or to those on the right in this country who seemingly share ISIS' goal of making this a religious war.

Where do you come up with this stuff? Holy crap.

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

Libs don't support ISIS. Libs just want to create an environment wherein people half way get along and respect one another.

Unless of course they are white people with jobs.

This admittedly often comes at the expense of many liberals looking like complete fools, as indeed many of them are, because they fail to understand the reality of the situation.

Absolutely true

Some people, most often social conservatives of any breed, creed, or religion, simply don't like other people and don't want to. You can't force them into this. It just has to come naturally.

Yeah, liberals just love everybody and accept everybody's point of view.

Fact of the matter is, you probably have more in common with ISIS than any social liberal. You and ISIS pretty much hate everyone other than yourselves. You just disagree on the exact philosophy of hate.

More of that liberal love showing through.

Hypocrite.

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

Remember, we are told very little, if anything, about any thwarted attacks. Blaming this on "liberals" just because a Democrat is in the WH seems like a mighty big stretch.

You're right. It's Bush's fault. Better?

 

[onevol74]

Then why play into their hands and attribute it to a specific religion?

Because it is exactly what it is. What else would you attribute it to? Their own definition is "Holy War." The sooner we recognize it for what it really is we can address it. Obama himself has made remarks of how southern Christians used religion to defend slavery. So what is the big deal in dealing with radical Islamist?

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

Asshat McAsshatty.
1.I'm not in the military.
2. Every time you land safely in a plane - your welcome. My job is federal aviation safety which impacts 100,000+ people a day flying through central Florida.
3. Stick to teaching kids how to color in the lines.

But yeah I don't do anything and my job just causes death and destruction. :the_finger:

Can I get a little credit for that too? :wavey:

 

[alexmanu]

ISIS and Islamist terrorists are bombing and fighting on the premise of lesser jihad which is mentioned in the Qu'ran as an outer physical struggle against the enemies of Islam. There are preachers and Imams that are converting people to religious terrorism on this premise. If that's not a Holy War then I don't know what is.

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

Everything I've heard is that he was likely a lone wolf, inspired by ISIS, guy. He reportedly was not on the FBI's radar because he had no direct connection. But that's the kind of guy they are most worried about because they can't really be stopped.

Smith and Wesson said otherwise.