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VolGee4 said:
Yea, I am slow:)
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You just wanted to pile on!

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OldVol49vfl said:
lol I'm going to stay away from the FF. Since I'm about 7-8 years older than DeBord they would surely be wishing me dead. Saban's 63 and no one complains about his age. I'd bet that a lot of the people (not all) that are crying about his age are in the 18-25 age range and talk to others their age about how dumb their parents and grandparents are.
Just because he hasn't been directly involved in coaching the past 2-4 years doesn't mean he hasn't kept up with the game.
I'm hoping most of the people on the RF gives DeBord a chance to prove what he can do. I'm sure that most on the FF will not. I don't have a clue about how good he is or what he knows but I'm going to give him a chance. Just guessing I'd say he knows more than most of us on the RF about football (except for Tux). :)
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Gruden hasnt coached in years but I bet everyone would be salivating over him.
 
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VolGee4 said:
You may have found that definition, but true nepotism laws prevent the hiring of relatives. You can't really prevent the hiring of friends. We all have relationships with people, and I can't be prevented from hiring someone that I have a prior relationship with. Nepotism can clearly be proven.
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Yes, you'll find several sources that include close friends in the definition of nepotism. Traditionally, I think it's reserved for family, but languages change and evolve as those using them change the meanings of words.

Personally, I'd give him a pass with a stern warning, but it's not surprising that some of those old professors wouldn't budge.
 
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WriterVol said:
Yes, you'll find several sources that include close friends in the definition of nepotism. Traditionally, I think it's reserved for family, but languages change and evolve as those using them change the meanings of words.

Personally, I'd give him a pass with a stern warning, but it's not surprising that some of those old professors wouldn't budge.
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That makes two resident English majors. One for the day shift, and one for the night shift. I hated English but ended up going to law school. Now, I just talk my way out of it.
 
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WriterVol said:
Yes, you'll find several sources that include close friends in the definition of nepotism. Traditionally, I think it's reserved for family, but languages change and evolve as those using them change the meanings of words.

Personally, I'd give him a pass with a stern warning, but it's not surprising that some of those old professors wouldn't budge.
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I'll take it!

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LA Vol said:
I hope Butch is right. He's confident in his system and his playbook and thinks they cannot be enhanced by an infusion of new ideas and a fresh perspective. It's an underwhelming hire that he knows is universally unpopular and he made it with heightened expectations on the line. Gonna be a lot of headshaking...
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Why do you need new ideas when there was nothing broke when te right qb was in there? It's not like he fired Bajakian to make an upgrade. He left and he wants to keep things the same as they were
 
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Florida vs. Tennessee Current Roster compairison I just did after seeing some of the stats based off of just Rivals rankings. I wanted to incorporate attrition. This roster does not include walk ons that earned scholly's as I can find that info for UF. So I removed those guys for TN. Just guys that were ranked on Rivals.

Florida

SRs- 7 (71% 4* or above)
WR – Valdez Showers – 3*
OL – Tripp Thurman – 4*
WR – Raphael Andrades - 3*
DL – Johnathan Bullard – 5*
LB – Antonio Morrison – 4*
WR - Latroy Pittman - 4*
DB Brian Poole 4*

JRs-15 (67% 4* or above)
DL - Brian Cox Jr - 3*
DB – Marcus Maye - 4*
DE – Alex McCallister - 3*
QB – Skyler Mornginweg - 3*
LB – Jeremy Powell - 4*
LB – Alex Anzalone – 5*
LB - Jarrad Davis 3*
WR – Ahmad Fulwood - 4*
DB – Vernon Hargraves 5*
DL – Joey Ivey 4*
LB – Daniel McMillin - 4*
DB – Keanu Neal - 4*
WR – Demarcus Robinson - 4*
RB – Kelvin Taylor - 4*
WR – Chris Thompson - 3*

SO's-20 (65% 4* or above)
WR – Alvin Bailey - 4*
DL - Jaynard Bostwick - 4*
DL – Caleb Brantley - 4*
OL – Cam Dillard - 3*
DB - Marcell Harris - 4*
RB – Adam Lane - 3*
OL – Rodrick Johnson - 3*
DL – Antonio Riles - 3*
LB – Matt Rolin - 4*
DE – Jordan Sherit - 4*
P – Johnny Townsend - 2*
DB – Nick Washington - 4*
DB – Duke Dawson – 4*
TE – Deandre Goolsby – 3*
QB – Treon Harris – 4*
RB – Brandon Powell – 4*
DB – Jalen Tabor – 5*
OL – David Sharpe – 4*
QB – Quincy Wilson – 4*
WR – CJ Worton – 3*

FR-33 (36% 4* or above)
QB – Will Grier – 4*
DL – Taveon Bryan - 3*
DT - Khairi clark – 4*
OL – Travis Dorsey – 3*
OL – K Harkless – 3*
DL – Thomas Holley - 4*
DB – J.C. Jackson - 4*
TE – C’yontai Lewis - 3*
OL – Andrew Mike - 3*
DB – Deondre Porter - 3*
DL – Justis Reed - 3*
TE – Moral Stephens - 4*
OT – Martez Ivey - 5*
WR – Antonio Callaway - 4*
RB – Jordan Cronkrite - 4*
ATH - D McGriff - 4*
RB – Jordan McGriff - 4*
DB - Chris Williamson - 4*
TE – Dan Ima - 3*
OL – Tyler Jordan - 3*
OL - Andrew Ivi – 3*
DB – Kylan Johnson - 3*
TE – Camrin Knight - 3*
OL – Nick Buchanan - 3*
OL - Richerd Jones - 3*
WR – Kalif Jackson - 3*
OL – Fred Johnson - 3*
OL Brandon Sandifer - 3*
DT Jabari Zuniga - 3*
DE – Luke Ancrum - 2*
DE - Keivonnis davis 2*
LB - Rayshad Jackson - 2*
DE – Cece Jefferson – 5*

Total Roster – 70 (57% 4* or above)
6 – 5 stars
34 – 4 stars
30 - 3 and 2*'s

Tennessee

SRs-12 (50% 4* or above)
WR - Pig Howard - 2012 - 4*
WR - Jonathon Johnson - 2013 - 3*
WR - Von Pearson - 2014 - 4*
C - Mack Crowder - 2011 - 3*
OG - Marcus Jackson - 2011 - 4*
OT - Kyler Kerbyson - 2011 - 3*
DT - Trevarris Saulsberry - 2011 - 3*
DT - Owen Williams - 2014 - 3*
DE/LB - Curt Maggitt - 2011 - 4*
D/LB - Chris Weathered - 2014 - 4*
S - Brian Randolph - 2011 - 3*
S - LaDarrell McNeil - 2012 - 4*


JRs-17 (35% 4* or above)
QB - Josh Dobbs - 2013 - 4*
WR - Marquez North - 2013 - 4*
WR - Jason Croom - 2012 - 4*
WR - Cody Blanc - 2012 - 2*
OT - Dontavious Blair - 2014 - 4*
OG - Dylan Weisman - 2013 - 3*
DT - Danny O'Brien - 2012 - 4*
DE - Corey Vereen - 2013 - 3*
DE - Latroy Lewis - 2012 - 3*
MLB - Kenny Bynum - 2012 - 3*
OLB - Justin King - 2012 - 3*
OLB - Jalen Reeves Maybin - 2013 - 4*
CB - Devaun Swafford - 2013 - 3*
CB - Malik Foreman - 2013 - 3*
CB - Cam Sutton - 2013 - 3*
S - Lemond Johnson - 2013 - 3*
K - George Bullock - 2012 - 2*

SO's-21 (48% 4* or above)
RB - Jalen Hurd - 2014 - 5*
RB - Alvin Kamara - 2015 - 5*
WR - Josh Malone - 2014 - 5*
WR - Josh Smith - 2013 - 3*
TE - AJ Branisiel - 2013 - 3*
TE - Ethan Wolf - 2014 - 3*
OG - Jashaun Robertson - 2014 - 3*
OT - Brett Kendrick - 2013 - 3*
OT - Austin Sanders - 2013 - 4*
C - Coleman Thomas - 2014 - 3*
DE - Dimaraya Mixon - 2014 - 3*
DE - Derek Barnett - 2014 - 4*
DT - Kendal Vickers - 2013 - 3*
OLB - Cortez McDowell - 2014 - 4*
OLB - Elliot Berry - 2014 - 3*
MLB - Jakob Johnson - 2014 - 3*
CB - Rashaan Gaulden - 2014 - 4*
CB - Emmanuel Moseley - 2014 - 3*
CB - Justin Martin - 2015 - 4*
S - Evan Berry - 2014 - 4*
S - Todd Kelly Jr - 2014 - 4*
K - Aaron Medley - 2014 - 3*

FR-32 (53% 4* or above)
QB – Jauan Jennings – 2015 – 4*
QB – Quentin Dormandy – 2015 – 4*
QB – Sheriron Jones – 2015 – 4*
RB – John Kelly – 2015 – 3*
RB – Joc Bruce – 2015 – 3*
WR - Preston Williams - 2015 - 5*
WR - Vincent Perry - 2015 - 3*
TE - Neiko Creamer - 2014 - 3*
TE - Kyle Oliver - 2015 - 3*
OG - Charles Mosley - 2014 - 3*
OG - Ray Raulerson - 2014 - 3*
OT - Jack Jones - 2015 - 4*
OT - Chance Hall - 2015 - 3*
OT - Venzell Boulware - 2015 - 4*
OT - Drew Richmond*** - 2015 - 5*
OG - Zach Stewart - 2015 - 4*
DT - Shy Tuttle - 2015 - 4*
DT- Kahlil McKenzie - 2015 - 5*
DT - Quay Picou - 2015 - 3*
DE - Darrell Taylor - 2015 - 4*
DE - Andrew Butcher - 2015 - 4*
DE - Kyle Phillips - 2015 - 5*
MLB - Gavin Bryant - 2014 - 3*
MLB - Darrin Kirkland Jr - 2015 - 4*
OLB - Dillon Bates - 2014 - 4*
OLB - Quart'e Sapp - 2015 - 4*
OLB - Austin Smith - 2015 - 3*
CB - Darrell Miller - 2015 - 3*
CB - Micah Abernathy - 2015 - 3*
S- Stephen Griffin - 2015 - 3*
P - Tommy Townsend - 2015 - 3*
LS - Riley Lovingwood - 2015 2*

Total Roster – 82 Total 48% 4* or above

6 – 5 *’s
33 – 4*’s
43 – 3*’s or 2*’s

That means Florida only has one more 4* more than us on their roster right now. Who knows what that will look like at kickoff but it is pretty dang close.

They have a lot more upperclassmen 4*'s than us who have time to have been developed but also have they been screwed up with the coaching changes?

They lack talent at WR and OL looking at their rankings.

We need to out recruit them again next year and we will finally % wise catch up to them.

Go Vols
 
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OldVol49vfl said:
lol I'm going to stay away from the FF. Since I'm about 7-8 years older than DeBord they would surely be wishing me dead. Saban's 63 and no one complains about his age. I'd bet that a lot of the people (not all) that are crying about his age are in the 18-25 age range and talk to others their age about how dumb their parents and grandparents are.
Just because he hasn't been directly involved in coaching the past 2-4 years doesn't mean he hasn't kept up with the game.
I'm hoping most of the people on the RF gives DeBord a chance to prove what he can do. I'm sure that most on the FF will not. I don't have a clue about how good he is or what he knows but I'm going to give him a chance. Just guessing I'd say he knows more than most of us on the RF about football (except for Tux). :)
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IMO I could still call the plays at my age, unless I forgot where I put the dang play sheet. :)
 
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Orange And Garnet said:
Why do you need new ideas when there was nothing broke when te right qb was in there? It's not like he fired Bajakian to make an upgrade. He left and he wants to keep things the same as they were
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When over half your plays are predictable from the alignment, formation and motion you run - you need new ideas. That is why the offense struggled against Mizzou and Vandy even with Dobbs. Maybe DeBord brings the fresh ideas and looks at things differently. You don't have to be young to have new ideas.
 
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Ericvol2096 said:
Florida vs. Tennessee Current Roster compairison I just did after seeing some of the stats based off of just Rivals rankings. I wanted to incorporate attrition. This roster does not include walk ons that earned scholly's as I can find that info for UF. So I removed those guys for TN. Just guys that were ranked on Rivals.

Florida

SRs- 7 (71% 4* or above)
WR – Valdez Showers – 3*
OL – Tripp Thurman – 4*
WR – Raphael Andrades - 3*
DL – Johnathan Bullard – 5*
LB – Antonio Morrison – 4*
WR - Latroy Pittman - 4*
DB Brian Poole 4*

JRs-15 (67% 4* or above)
DL - Brian Cox Jr - 3*
DB – Marcus Maye - 4*
DE – Alex McCallister - 3*
QB – Skyler Mornginweg - 3*
LB – Jeremy Powell - 4*
LB – Alex Anzalone – 5*
LB - Jarrad Davis 3*
WR – Ahmad Fulwood - 4*
DB – Vernon Hargraves 5*
DL – Joey Ivey 4*
LB – Daniel McMillin - 4*
DB – Keanu Neal - 4*
WR – Demarcus Robinson - 4*
RB – Kelvin Taylor - 4*
WR – Chris Thompson - 3*

SO's-20 (65% 4* or above)
WR – Alvin Bailey - 4*
DL - Jaynard Bostwick - 4*
DL – Caleb Brantley - 4*
OL – Cam Dillard - 3*
DB - Marcell Harris - 4*
RB – Adam Lane - 3*
OL – Rodrick Johnson - 3*
DL – Antonio Riles - 3*
LB – Matt Rolin - 4*
DE – Jordan Sherit - 4*
P – Johnny Townsend - 2*
DB – Nick Washington - 4*
DB – Duke Dawson – 4*
TE – Deandre Goolsby – 3*
QB – Treon Harris – 4*
RB – Brandon Powell – 4*
DB – Jalen Tabor – 5*
OL – David Sharpe – 4*
QB – Quincy Wilson – 4*
WR – CJ Worton – 3*

FR-33 (36% 4* or above)
QB – Will Grier – 4*
DL – Taveon Bryan - 3*
DT - Khairi clark – 4*
OL – Travis Dorsey – 3*
OL – K Harkless – 3*
DL – Thomas Holley - 4*
DB – J.C. Jackson - 4*
TE – C’yontai Lewis - 3*
OL – Andrew Mike - 3*
DB – Deondre Porter - 3*
DL – Justis Reed - 3*
TE – Moral Stephens - 4*
OT – Martez Ivey - 5*
WR – Antonio Callaway - 4*
RB – Jordan Cronkrite - 4*
ATH - D McGriff - 4*
RB – Jordan McGriff - 4*
DB - Chris Williamson - 4*
TE – Dan Ima - 3*
OL – Tyler Jordan - 3*
OL - Andrew Ivi – 3*
DB – Kylan Johnson - 3*
TE – Camrin Knight - 3*
OL – Nick Buchanan - 3*
OL - Richerd Jones - 3*
WR – Kalif Jackson - 3*
OL – Fred Johnson - 3*
OL Brandon Sandifer - 3*
DT Jabari Zuniga - 3*
DE – Luke Ancrum - 2*
DE - Keivonnis davis 2*
LB - Rayshad Jackson - 2*
DE – Cece Jefferson – 5*

Total Roster – 70 (57% 4* or above)
6 – 5 stars
34 – 4 stars
30 - 3 and 2*'s

Tennessee

SRs-12 (50% 4* or above)
WR - Pig Howard - 2012 - 4*
WR - Jonathon Johnson - 2013 - 3*
WR - Von Pearson - 2014 - 4*
C - Mack Crowder - 2011 - 3*
OG - Marcus Jackson - 2011 - 4*
OT - Kyler Kerbyson - 2011 - 3*
DT - Trevarris Saulsberry - 2011 - 3*
DT - Owen Williams - 2014 - 3*
DE/LB - Curt Maggitt - 2011 - 4*
D/LB - Chris Weathered - 2014 - 4*
S - Brian Randolph - 2011 - 3*
S - LaDarrell McNeil - 2012 - 4*


JRs-17 (35% 4* or above)
QB - Josh Dobbs - 2013 - 4*
WR - Marquez North - 2013 - 4*
WR - Jason Croom - 2012 - 4*
WR - Cody Blanc - 2012 - 2*
OT - Dontavious Blair - 2014 - 4*
OG - Dylan Weisman - 2013 - 3*
DT - Danny O'Brien - 2012 - 4*
DE - Corey Vereen - 2013 - 3*
DE - Latroy Lewis - 2012 - 3*
MLB - Kenny Bynum - 2012 - 3*
OLB - Justin King - 2012 - 3*
OLB - Jalen Reeves Maybin - 2013 - 4*
CB - Devaun Swafford - 2013 - 3*
CB - Malik Foreman - 2013 - 3*
CB - Cam Sutton - 2013 - 3*
S - Lemond Johnson - 2013 - 3*
K - George Bullock - 2012 - 2*

SO's-21 (48% 4* or above)
RB - Jalen Hurd - 2014 - 5*
RB - Alvin Kamara - 2015 - 5*
WR - Josh Malone - 2014 - 5*
WR - Josh Smith - 2013 - 3*
TE - AJ Branisiel - 2013 - 3*
TE - Ethan Wolf - 2014 - 3*
OG - Jashaun Robertson - 2014 - 3*
OT - Brett Kendrick - 2013 - 3*
OT - Austin Sanders - 2013 - 4*
C - Coleman Thomas - 2014 - 3*
DE - Dimaraya Mixon - 2014 - 3*
DE - Derek Barnett - 2014 - 4*
DT - Kendal Vickers - 2013 - 3*
OLB - Cortez McDowell - 2014 - 4*
OLB - Elliot Berry - 2014 - 3*
MLB - Jakob Johnson - 2014 - 3*
CB - Rashaan Gaulden - 2014 - 4*
CB - Emmanuel Moseley - 2014 - 3*
CB - Justin Martin - 2015 - 4*
S - Evan Berry - 2014 - 4*
S - Todd Kelly Jr - 2014 - 4*
K - Aaron Medley - 2014 - 3*

FR-32 (53% 4* or above)
QB – Jauan Jennings – 2015 – 4*
QB – Quentin Dormandy – 2015 – 4*
QB – Sheriron Jones – 2015 – 4*
RB – John Kelly – 2015 – 3*
RB – Joc Bruce – 2015 – 3*
WR - Preston Williams - 2015 - 5*
WR - Vincent Perry - 2015 - 3*
TE - Neiko Creamer - 2014 - 3*
TE - Kyle Oliver - 2015 - 3*
OG - Charles Mosley - 2014 - 3*
OG - Ray Raulerson - 2014 - 3*
OT - Jack Jones - 2015 - 4*
OT - Chance Hall - 2015 - 3*
OT - Venzell Boulware - 2015 - 4*
OT - Drew Richmond*** - 2015 - 5*
OG - Zach Stewart - 2015 - 4*
DT - Shy Tuttle - 2015 - 4*
DT- Kahlil McKenzie - 2015 - 5*
DT - Quay Picou - 2015 - 3*
DE - Darrell Taylor - 2015 - 4*
DE - Andrew Butcher - 2015 - 4*
DE - Kyle Phillips - 2015 - 5*
MLB - Gavin Bryant - 2014 - 3*
MLB - Darrin Kirkland Jr - 2015 - 4*
OLB - Dillon Bates - 2014 - 4*
OLB - Quart'e Sapp - 2015 - 4*
OLB - Austin Smith - 2015 - 3*
CB - Darrell Miller - 2015 - 3*
CB - Micah Abernathy - 2015 - 3*
S- Stephen Griffin - 2015 - 3*
P - Tommy Townsend - 2015 - 3*
LS - Riley Lovingwood - 2015 2*

Total Roster – 82 Total 48% 4* or above

6 – 5 *’s
33 – 4*’s
43 – 3*’s or 2*’s

That means Florida only has one more 4* more than us on their roster right now. Who knows what that will look like at kickoff but it is pretty dang close.

They have a lot more upperclassmen 4*'s than us who have time to have been developed but also have they been screwed up with the coaching changes?

They lack talent at WR and OL looking at their rankings.

We need to out recruit them again next year and we will finally % wise catch up to them.

Go Vols
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Nice work Eric but could you not put that in a bar chart or something? :)
 
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Michigan fans on the college football forum on reddit seem convinced this hire will sink Butch and Tennessee.
 
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InVOLuntary said:
Nice work Eric but could you not put that in a bar chart or something? :)
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Well I wanted to lay it out there like that just in case HG or one of our resident Gators could drive by and tell me if there is anyone on there I shouldn't include. I am pretty sure I was working with the most current roster.
 
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Aesius said:
Michigan fans on the college football forum on reddit seem convinced this hire will sink Butch and Tennessee.
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Couple of national guys on arky radio saying it's a bad hire too. He won't be worse than Jake, that's my main reason for optimism. Unless Butch was the problem with playcalling, in which case it doesn't matter who we hire.
 
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