Looking more and more like DeBord will be the new OC

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VolinMichigan said:
DeBord has three conference titles and a national title on his resume from his times at UM. Why would we be the laughing stock of the SEC if we hire him again?
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Because it was 15 years ago ( like fulmer)
Now he sits behind an administration desk doing quality control. He has a great ancient history, but there are far better opportunities out there who are hot both in offensive production and recruiting right now.
 
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SobeVol said:
Because it was 15 years ago ( like fulmer)
Now he sits behind an administration desk doing quality control. He has a great ancient history, but there are far better opportunities out there who are hot both in offensive production and recruiting right now.
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This
 
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Any chance we're bringing him in as position coach and Azzani gets OC?

It looks as if it's him, but makes no sense if the hire is about "fit". He doesn't "fit" at all.
 
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He ticks all the boxes Butch listed today except for QB coach. We would have no QB coach if we hired this guy.
 
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Will be in KTown this weekend. Doesn't mean he will be hired but all signs point at that he will be hired. FML
 
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1972 Grad said:
....was
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ericberry4heisman said:
Any chance we're bringing him in as position coach and Azzani gets OC?

It looks as if it's him, but makes no sense if the hire is about "fit". He doesn't "fit" at all.
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I don't understand it at all. His area of expertise was with linemen. What we need now is an oc and a qb coach to develop all of the new recruits.
Yes our line needs work but I am suspicious that now we have more bulldozers with greater talent, our current staff may suffice.
 
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ericberry4heisman said:
Any chance we're bringing him in as position coach and Azzani gets OC?

It looks as if it's him, but makes no sense if the hire is about "fit". He doesn't "fit" at all.
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Butch served as his OC when he was HC at Central Michigan. That is the fit. He helped shape CBJ offensive philosophy. As some have speculated CBJ may just be throwing him a bone by giving him an interview.
 
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The following IS NOT an endorsement, just some info I have not seen posted...

The first REAL coaching job Mike Bajakian got was at Central Michigan as a QB coach under Mike DeBord in 2002-2003.

Bajakian then went to the Chicago Bears as a Quality Assistant from 2004-2006, before joining CBJ at CM as the OC.

He's now back with Lovie Smith at Tampa Bay.

DeBord also coached for the Bears and Lovie Smith from 2010-2012.

In DeBord's first run as OC at Michigan, Brian Griese was the QB in year one, with Tom Brady being the starter for the rest of his tenure. According to his wiki he was 52-11 as OC in that run. In his second stint he had Chad Henne with Ryan Mallett as a back up.

Obviously, the offense Bajakian has been running the last two years shares little resemblance to the Michigan Offense we saw under Carr and has nothing to do with what Bajakian would have been seeing working for the Bears.

This implies that he learned the offense that Jones wanted to run from Jones. That does not mean that Bajakian didn't bring terminology, blocking schemes etc... to the table and all of that would be at least somewhat, if not very, familiar to DeBord.

I don't think CBJ is willing to scrap the past two seasons and start over and if there is a guy out there that can come in and continue what he's started, I think CBJ would find that invaluable.

As previously stated this is not an endorsement of DeBord, just my guess as to why he's a candidate.
 
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Everyone needs to calm down. Complete overreaction as usual. Butch know way more about his team, and football in general, than all of us collectively. He will make a good hire. Relax.
 
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SobeVol said:
I don't understand it at all. His area of expertise was with linemen. What we need now is an oc and a qb coach to develop all of the new recruits.
Yes our line needs work but I am suspicious that now we have more bulldozers with greater talent, our current staff may suffice.
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Then maybe he'd help getting some OL to sign... which is the biggest deficiency on the team.
 
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SobeVol said:
You clearly missed The point.
So let me explain it more clearly for you. As we were talking about Debord basically having not coached in 7 years and last was noteworthy 15 years ago...
I was not referring to the program's relevance but rather the name of the coach they would potentially be playing for.
The recruits want a coach they have heard of. Legg , Franklin , meachem, etc they know their names. Debord was at his pinnacle when they were 2-3 years old. My premise being, they've never heard of him so why would they be even remotely interested in playing for him?
It's a bust hire with all of the passion of a pair of tit mice!
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Let me ask you a few questions.

First, are you happy with the job Butch has done, especially in recruiting? If not, why?

If you answered yes, did you predict that Butch would have performed that we'll when he was hired?

If you are happy with Butch, but didn't predict you would be when he was hired, what would lead you to believe your ability to predict the future quality of coaching/recruiting is better now than then?
 
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vol66 said:
The following IS NOT an endorsement, just some info I have not seen posted...

The first REAL coaching job Mike Bajakian got was at Central Michigan as a QB coach under Mike DeBord in 2002-2003.

Bajakian then went to the Chicago Bears as a Quality Assistant from 2004-2006, before joining CBJ at CM as the OC.

He's now back with Lovie Smith at Tampa Bay.

DeBord also coached for the Bears and Lovie Smith from 2010-2012.

In DeBord's first run as OC at Michigan, Brian Griese was the QB in year one, with Tom Brady being the starter for the rest of his tenure. According to his wiki he was 52-11 as OC in that run. In his second stint he had Chad Henne with Ryan Mallett as a back up.

Obviously, the offense Bajakian has been running the last two years shares little resemblance to the Michigan Offense we saw under Carr and has nothing to do with what Bajakian would have been seeing working for the Bears.

This implies that he learned the offense that Jones wanted to run from Jones. That does not mean that Bajakian didn't bring terminology, blocking schemes etc... to the table and all of that would be at least somewhat, if not very, familiar to DeBord.

I don't think CBJ is willing to scrap the past two seasons and start over and if there is a guy out there that can come in and continue what he's started, I think CBJ would find that invaluable.

As previously stated this is not an endorsement of DeBord, just my guess as to why he's a candidate.
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At CM, Debord was HC, CBJ was OC, and CMB was qb coach. If anything Debord most likely taught them the basics of this system. CBJ then tweeked it when he spent time with RichRod, then CMB joined CBJ at CM as OC.
 
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Such a "sky is falling" mentality when there is speculation of hiring a guy that VN doesn't find a "splash hire" or fit what YOU are looking for. Never mind what the head coach, who spends everyday with the kids, staff, recruits wants. He has paved an amazing road so far so why do we doubt his vision and who he has in mind to be a part of it.
VN would rather make arguments to fit their agenda like he hasn't been employed since 2007. When was the last time Gruden was "employed" but you would have jumped on him and his absence from coaching would have been absolutely ok. Give it a rest and let the big boys do their job and steer the ship.
 
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Ace said:
At CM, Debord was HC, CBJ was OC, and CMB was qb coach. If anything Debord most likely taught them the basics of this system. CBJ then tweeked it when he spent time with RichRod, then CMB joined CBJ at CM as OC.
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I Don't know what a RichRod is, u mean CRR?
 
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Sorry if this has been said already in this thread...

It just amazes me that he brings in two stellar recruiting classes full of game-changers, yet people don't expect him to be able to find someone even marginally capable of running his offense? We gon be aight.
 
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daj2576 said:
Let me ask you a few questions.

First, are you happy with the job Butch has done? If not, why?

If you answered yes, did you predict that Butch would have performed that we'll when he was hired?

If you are happy with Butch, but didn't predict you would be when he was hired, what would lead you to believe your ability to predict the future is better now than then?
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Yes I am extremely happy with Butch.
No I did not expect the recruiting success he has had and I am overjoyed.
I personally never believed and based on his performance do not feel bajakian had the x&o ability to compete at the highest level. I am actually happy he is gone.
As for butch's ability to predict- I have complete confidence in him as a leader and a coach. I believe his choice in bringing " the best coaching staff in America" was suspect. I think we have a great opportunity here. I fear Butch is leaning toward personal fit rather than strategic/ schematic.
Even more worrisome is the hart/cheek involvement- I am suspicious that they lean toward the bargain hire and they just hit the lottery with Butch.
There are proven available candidates being paid less money out there that we can get.
That is my premise and this is why we debate. For the enjoyment of trying to guess what they will do and to decide for ourselves what we wish for. None of us have any say. If that is what this is about them we should just shut down the site, because all we do here is opinion.
 
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