No we are not but after so much crap we have been dealt, we are gonna be happy this year with 6-7 wins and a crap bowl, it will kick start the future with CBJ at the helm for a very long time. Also I like to say 6 wins is not acceptable here but we need stability and give him next and 2016.. Let him finish his contract then let's talk this.
You wouldnt consider 6-6 a step in the right direction? Just curious what were your preseason predictions?
The "dumpster fire" was already smoldering when Kiffin stepped off the plane at McGhee Tyson.Dagreek1998 had us going 14-0! Notice the 1998 in his name?
In a couple of years from now CBJ will be winning 11+ a year & then we'll be back to the Fulmer years complaints of wondering why we don't win the NC every year and 10 wins a season isn't good enough!
GOOD GRIEF PEOPLE GIVE CBJ AND STAFF 5 YEARS! I DON'T WANT TO HEAR WELL COACH X DID IT IN YEAR 1 AND COACH Y DID IT IN YEAR 2! YEAH WELL THEY DIDN'T GET HANDED A DUMPSTER FIRE EITHER THE KIFFIN STARTED AND DOOLEY ADDED GAS TO!
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Label me a negavol, don't care. But I have to ask the question. Whats acceptable for Tennessee Vol Football??? We all agreed that Dooley needed to go, especially after the regression in year 3. What have we seen from Butch Jones to make us feel that won't happen again.
When you look at the numbers, they doesn't appear to be a big difference.
DD vs ranked -17.7 points
BJ vs ranked -18.1 points
DD vs SEC -9.6 points
BJ vs SEC -8.1 points
After watching the Missouri game, I feel like I am watching the Dooley project all over again. And before someone starts the "were young" crap, its college football. You don't get to keep them for 8 to 10 years. I am ok with that argument in week 3 or 4 but week 12 is nonsense. What position group has noticeably improved. Still waiting???
I know everyone likes the recruiting part of it but is Dooley had solid classes. And lets not forget that Muschamp and Weiss could recruit, how did that work out for them.
I honestly believe that we as a fan base have ex-girlfriend syndrome. We get rid of old and fat Fulmer for young and sharp dressed Lane. Then Lane leaves and we want a dependable guy that will never leave us, Dooley. Then he pisses off the former players and cant get the job done, so we want a likeable guy who embraces our program, Butch. All along, we sacrificed the main point. Can he get the job done. And now that it appears that Butch might not be the guy, we start the excuse mood and blame the guys that were here before him.
Can anyone truly say they have no doubts??? If Butch couldn't recruit any better than top 20 classes, would his seat be the same temp?
I am tired of the acceptance of each coach, as long as he is not like the last one. Look at Texas, or Arkansas. Did it take them years to create a culture shift. No, but we'll keep waiting on our frog to turn into a prince. All along, surviving in a a weak East and allowing Florida to come to that discover years before us.
Year One
DD vs SEC 22 to 26
BJ vs SEC 18 to 31
Year Two
DD vs SEC 12 to 28
BJ vs SEC 23 to 25
Year Three
DD vs SEC 31 to 40
BJ ???
I wont argue that year two was not good for DD by this was when Tyler Bray was inserted into the line up and the average points against SEC went way up. Of course, so did the points. But my basic point was that Butch's second year looks more like DD's first year. If we look at how this trends out for year three, can you really expect the Vols to put up the points DD did? And if AJ gone against Missouri gave us a sneak at our defense for next year.
I just dont know how Muschamp gets the axe at Florida with a winning record and we think 5-7 or 6-6 in year two of Butch is acceptable. Hell, Texas will be ahead of us by the end of the year.
Damn, I hate to do this. But I agree with you 100%. CBJ walked into a hot mess. But no hotter than any other team in similar circumstances in the SEC. I, like you, am 100% for Jones being successful. I am 100% for him being held accountable also.Why? Why do we have to wait until there's a complete personnel roll over? Do you realize that Jones has NEVER coached more than two of his own recruiting classes in a game? Why didn't Freeze have to have a roster filled with his recruits to compete in the MUCH tougher West? His cupboard was FAR... FAR more bare than the one Jones inherited.
I like him. I want him to be successful.... I like ALOT of what he's done. But don't ask me to accept the notion that UT's rebuild is SO much harder than many others that were VERY apparent by year 3.
Was the "cupboard" more bare than when Franklin took over at Vandy?
What will you say if Arkansas beats Mizzou this weekend? Will you try the totally inane argument that Bielema inherited a better situation?
I am 100% for Jones being a success at UT. I am 100% hopeful that he will. I am also 100% AGAINST the stench of defeatism that emanates from the excuses being made here.
Label me a negavol, don't care. But I have to ask the question. Whats acceptable for Tennessee Vol Football??? We all agreed that Dooley needed to go, especially after the regression in year 3. What have we seen from Butch Jones to make us feel that won't happen again.
When you look at the numbers, they doesn't appear to be a big difference.
DD vs ranked -17.7 points
BJ vs ranked -18.1 points
DD vs SEC -9.6 points
BJ vs SEC -8.1 points
After watching the Missouri game, I feel like I am watching the Dooley project all over again. And before someone starts the "were young" crap, its college football. You don't get to keep them for 8 to 10 years. I am ok with that argument in week 3 or 4 but week 12 is nonsense. What position group has noticeably improved. Still waiting???
I know everyone likes the recruiting part of it but is Dooley had solid classes. And lets not forget that Muschamp and Weiss could recruit, how did that work out for them.
I honestly believe that we as a fan base have ex-girlfriend syndrome. We get rid of old and fat Fulmer for young and sharp dressed Lane. Then Lane leaves and we want a dependable guy that will never leave us, Dooley. Then he pisses off the former players and cant get the job done, so we want a likeable guy who embraces our program, Butch. All along, we sacrificed the main point. Can he get the job done. And now that it appears that Butch might not be the guy, we start the excuse mood and blame the guys that were here before him.
Can anyone truly say they have no doubts??? If Butch couldn't recruit any better than top 20 classes, would his seat be the same temp?
I am tired of the acceptance of each coach, as long as he is not like the last one. Look at Texas, or Arkansas. Did it take them years to create a culture shift. No, but we'll keep waiting on our frog to turn into a prince. All along, surviving in a a weak East and allowing Florida to come to that discover years before us.
Arkansas has two SEC wins...
Why do people keep using Dooley as some sort of standard that if Jones is just better than him then he's OK?
Dooley was a terrible failure. Freeze makes a good standard. Fulmer's good years make a good standard. Saban makes a good standard. If Jones just has to be a little better than Dooley then you need to step back and see how ridiculously low you've set the bar.
Label me a negavol, don't care. But I have to ask the question. Whats acceptable for Tennessee Vol Football??? We all agreed that Dooley needed to go, especially after the regression in year 3. What have we seen from Butch Jones to make us feel that won't happen again.
When you look at the numbers, they doesn't appear to be a big difference.
DD vs ranked -17.7 points
BJ vs ranked -18.1 points
DD vs SEC -9.6 points
BJ vs SEC -8.1 points
After watching the Missouri game, I feel like I am watching the Dooley project all over again. And before someone starts the "were young" crap, its college football. You don't get to keep them for 8 to 10 years. I am ok with that argument in week 3 or 4 but week 12 is nonsense. What position group has noticeably improved. Still waiting???
I know everyone likes the recruiting part of it but is Dooley had solid classes. And lets not forget that Muschamp and Weiss could recruit, how did that work out for them.
I honestly believe that we as a fan base have ex-girlfriend syndrome. We get rid of old and fat Fulmer for young and sharp dressed Lane. Then Lane leaves and we want a dependable guy that will never leave us, Dooley. Then he pisses off the former players and cant get the job done, so we want a likeable guy who embraces our program, Butch. All along, we sacrificed the main point. Can he get the job done. And now that it appears that Butch might not be the guy, we start the excuse mood and blame the guys that were here before him.
Can anyone truly say they have no doubts??? If Butch couldn't recruit any better than top 20 classes, would his seat be the same temp?
I am tired of the acceptance of each coach, as long as he is not like the last one. Look at Texas, or Arkansas. Did it take them years to create a culture shift. No, but we'll keep waiting on our frog to turn into a prince. All along, surviving in a a weak East and allowing Florida to come to that discover years before us.
Good lord! Watson Brown could make progress with Dooley's players! Its really not saying much when someone states "If you don't see progress, then you must not actually be paying attention"! Hell, CBJ should be able to take three days a week off and show progress over the Dooley years.If you don't see progress (or anything different from Dooley's reign) then you must not actually be paying attention to the game. Wins/Losses and the box score aren't the only way to a measure progress for this team. Not when you had to start with nothing due to the previous staff's ineptitude and attrition.