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#101
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VOLinthaNATI said:
Lots of IED's in Tampa, FL?

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No,but lots of crackhouses...
 
#102
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utvolpj said:
so they do need a vehicle specifically designed against IEDs?

I would think something like that would at least make the news

MRAP = Mine-Resistant Ambush Protected

is it necessary for local law enforcement or not?
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Local law enforcement? Probably not.

LAPD, NYPD, etc. - Sure.
 
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utvolpj said:
is that specifically designed to combat IEDs?

MRAP = Mine-Resistant Ambush Protected

is it necessary for local law enforcement or not? Quit avoiding the question
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I answered your question prior to seeing this. I was not avoiding your question as shown in my response to it above. However, you completely ignored my question about your law enforcement experience but had the audacity to comment the bolded above.

Come on PJ...
 
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VOLinthaNATI said:
I answered your question prior to seeing this. I was not avoiding your question as shown in my response to it above. However, you completely ignored my question about your law enforcement experience but had the audacity to comment the bolded above.

Come on PJ...
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because it was irrelevant to the discussion. If officers were in need of IED resistant vehicles that's something every single citizen would be aware of. I don't have to be a cop to know the streets on Anycity, USA aren't mined
 
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utvolpj said:
those are still local

can you link any instance of them losing an officer to an IED?
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I'm not sure why you're so hung up on IED's. You obviously know that IED's are not prevalent in the USA along with everyone else. Is that your beef? Simply because of what the original purpose of the vehicle was?
 
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utvolpj said:
because it was irrelevant to the discussion. If officers were in need of IED resistant vehicles that's something every single citizen would be aware of. I don't have to be a cop to know the streets on Anycity, USA aren't mined
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So it's a single use vehicle? It serves no other purpose except to be IED resistant and therefore cannot and should not be used for anything else?
 
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VOLinthaNATI said:
I'm not sure why you're so hung up on IED's. You obviously know that IED's are not prevalent in the USA along with everyone else. Is that your beef? Simply because of what the original purpose of the vehicle was?
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it's a specifically designed military vehicle. It has no purpose in US law enforcement except to waste tax dollars and to continue the militarization of our police forces. It's getting ridiculous at this point
 
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utvolpj said:
it's a specifically designed military vehicle. It has no purpose in US law enforcement except to waste tax dollars and to continue the militarization of our police forces. It's getting ridiculous at this point
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You're potentially on to something. However I just take issue with the word "need" used the way you're using it. There's an infinite amount of things used every day in every facet of government that aren't "needed" right?
 
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VOLinthaNATI said:
You're potentially on to something. However I just take issue with the word "need" used the way you're using it. There's an infinite amount of things used every day in every facet of government that aren't "needed" right?
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and they should be cut. Spending has always been the issue. Look at the donor numbers for those voting to attack Syria. The defense industry are big spenders for members of Congress

Obama DHS Purchases 2,700 Light-Armored Tanks to Go With Their 1.6 Billion Bullet Stockpile | The Gateway Pundit

this is being rolled out all over the country under the guise of homeland security. Either it's reckless spending or someone knows something they're not letting on
 
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hog88 said:
Yes, there may have been a scenario where they were needed in some places but how many times?

In Sumner County TN there hasn't been one that I can think of over the last 20 years.
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If I'm not mistaken you will be seeing one in Sumner Co very soon. I can think of at least 4 instances in the last 3 years in Sumner Co. that this was needed.
 
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VOLinthaNATI said:
So it's a single use vehicle? It serves no other purpose except to be IED resistant and therefore cannot and should not be used for anything else?
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This is going to be the new SWAT vehicle. It can carry up to 8 officers. Most small departments have old ambulances that were given to them and most of the time they won't even start. I was sitting in one of these the last time I was shot at with an SKS and bullets rattled all over that ambulance. I didn't know I could get that small.
 
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punkcat said:
If I'm not mistaken you will be seeing one in Sumner Co very soon. I can think of at least 4 instances in the last 3 years in Sumner Co. that this was needed.
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I've lived here 4 years and don't recall any instances. Time to do some googling of the news services.
 
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This is dumb, do I really need law enforcement experience to know that Apache attack helicopters aren't needed either? Common sense can be used here. A military vehicle designed to repel IEDs being used on American streets is absurd. I'm sure there are other, cheaper, more appropriate vehicles needed for tactical situations for those municipalities that may legitimately need them.
 
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rjd970 said:
This is dumb, do I really need law enforcement experience to know that Apache attack helicopters aren't needed either? Common sense can be used here. A military vehicle designed to repel IEDs being used on American streets is absurd. I'm sure there are other, cheaper, more appropriate vehicles needed for tactical situations for those municipalities that may legitimately need them.
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Who has those?
 
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VOLinthaNATI said:
That's clearly a photoshopped picture.

Do better.
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what? That's unpossible :eek:hmy:

it was a joke. That pic has been around for years

but the question still stands- where were MRAPs 5-10 years ago? How many depts had drones capable of being armed?
 
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utvolpj said:
what? That's unpossible :eek:hmy:

it was a joke. That pic has been around for years

but the question still stands- where were MRAPs 5-10 years ago? How many depts had drones capable of being armed?
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I understand the concern here with the militarization aspect of this. However, a lot of times, SWAT teams are going into active shooter situations. If the department has the resources, why not use a vehicle that can adequately protect the SWAT officers? They also use a variety of military style weapons and devices, why is this any different besides cost and appearance? Its just another tool to protect the officers and allow them to contain the situation and accomplish the task safely and effectively. I can see both sides of this argument, however, if I am a SWAT member and you give me the choice between an MRAP vehicle and a converted ambulance...I'm going with the MRAP.
 
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